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Question about Framing Nailers

Chief

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I am interested in picking up a nail gun for light framing duty.

Two questions

1) what is the significance of the angle of the head? Is one preferred for toenailing? Which one is best for general use.

2) should I care if the gun uses full head or clipped head nails?

thanks
 
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WSMC633

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I've always preferred the full heads. I've got a bostich that is going on 15 yrs old and still works great. Granted, I'm not a contractor. Have you considered one that uses cartridges instead of needing a compressor. If you're only going to use it every once in awhile, that might be a good option for you. I've only used a friends once and it seemed pretty cool. Seems like if you used it a lot the cartridges might start getting expensive.
 

Theo

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The higher the degree or the rail, the tighter the area in get get the tool into.

The draw back is you have to move to clipped head nails to get a high degree of angle in the rail.

A clipped head nail does not have the same pull strength as a full round head nail.

Check your local building codes. Some jurisdictions don't allow clipped head nails.
 

a390st

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Let me tell you, the Paslode impulse nailers are pretty nice. I've put lots of nails through one, and there is no comparison to a pneumatic nailer. You have a lot better range of motion and can work a lot quicker when you aren't dragging a hose around behind you. It's also a lot quieter when you don't have a bunch of air compressors running all day. They aren't the cheapest thing on earth to use with the gas cylinders, but they aren't terrible. My friend runs about six pneumatic nailers and has two impulse nailers. He gives the people who are in more awkward positions or whatever the Paslodes.
Since they don't require electricity, you can use them in places where you would otherwise have to run a generator. We had a place where electricity was going to be a problem for a while after they wanted to get started, so we precut the framing offsite and hauled it in. Most of the guys were pounding nails, but I was doing it the easy way with the nail gun.
They are plastic, so you don't want to drop them off of the roof. I didn't ever have any other problems with it, but I didn't run hundreds of cases of nails through it, either. You just need to be sure that you have plenty of cylinders and an extra charged up battery around, because you can flat go through the nails!
 

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I have a Bostitch that I bought over 15 years ago that uses the clipped heads. The clipped heads might not hold as well, but I can tell you first hand that they are next to impossible to pull out once they have seated. I built my deck using them and nothing has failed ever. I would say that the clipped head nails will hold better than any hand driven full head nail. I think that the jurisdictions that don't allow clipped head nails don't have any reason other than what the manufacturers of full head nailer's are claiming. I would like to see some scientific evidence that the clipped head nail isn't just as good as a full head nail.
 
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Jbullfrog

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Clipped head nails will pull through a board easier than a full headed nail. I have taken out strip mall store framing that was done with clipped head nails and they almost always pull through the board when you pry on them, and then you have to pull the nails. Full headed nails won't pull through and if you angle them slightly, they are more secure. I have a big green Hitatchi and it works great.
 

1320stang

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Well Junkman, it depends on if you're comparing coated clipped head nails with non coated hand driven full head nails. Also if you're driving the nails or an experienced hand framer is driving them. When I framed I had a 32oz Estwing Framing Axe, One tap to set the nail, and one to drive it home. A guy and I got into a race one time to see who could set the most 16p nails with one hit in a row. I got about 4 or 5, he did a couple dozen before I called uncle.
 

kornjulio

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I have a Hitachi full head framer....I've used it for framing & sheathing a couple of sheds I've built....no complaints....
 

SPECV

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i have 2 porter cable round heads (fr350 22 degree) and 1 porter cable clipped head (fc350 34 degree). they all work great, clipped heads shoot more nails per strip due to the nails not needing to be spaced out like the round head nails. but the round heads have more holding power as stated before.
 

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I have a Paslode F350S framing nailer and I love it. It's super light (7.9 lbs) and the clip holds two strips (84 nails) of 2"-3 1/2" D-head strip nails. I also like the angled head as it gives me great access to anything I need to nail down. This unit even has a built in tape measure on it as well as a nice rafter hanger. Honestly, I could have also bought the cordless version but I was talking to some trade guys while at Paslode (getting a bud's older Paslode fixed - which had fallen apart on me - Hence, my new purchase of the F350S for me) and they had commented on how easily they had broken a cordless one when it fell from a stack of lumber. I wanted something that could take more of a beating. Plus, I've already got an air compressor anyway. Whatever you do decide to get, do consider the weight of the gun (filled with nails).
 
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