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Question about "loft"/storage shelf.

hanly2

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When I had my barn built I had them add a post in the floor plan for putting a loft over my work bench area. The loft would be about 12x8 the posts supporting the weight. I don't ever plan on this being a living space or anything there will only be about 3' clearance up there, it would just be for storing stuff. I need to span the front header 12' or 11' 4" between posts and the back header I will span 16' between 3 posts with the center being at 8'. I will put the joists at 16" centers. I would like to use 2x6 but just want to make sure it wont sag or come crashing down on me. I am not a engineer but with a simple search I found this page http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/floor-joists-span-d_1479.html
That looks like I can go 11' with a 2x6 holding a live load of 2880lbs. I don't think I will be close to that (christmas decorations don't weigh that much) Should I be ok?
 
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Just revisting this before I jump in. But I think that the 12 span would actually be a beam and not a joist because it will be supporting the 8' joists. So will a 2x6 still be ok? How about 2 2x6s? Would that help even though they would be bolted to the posts not resting on them?
 
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For light storage, you should be ok. I'd probably use 2x8s though, as I'd prefer to overbuild it now rather than go back and beef it up.
 

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First, where are you located?

The link you provide goes to a chart for Doug Fir joists. Most people use #2 and better Hem-Fir because it has a better cost/performance ratio and is widely available.

Based on a LL of 50 and a DL of 10 and deflection limit of L=1/240 and 2x6 joists at 16"o.c. spacing you can span 8'-11".

The beams would need to support #240/LF.

Using L=1/360 and Hem-Fir.

For the 12' span, 2-2x10's would suffice.

For the 8' spans use single 2x10's.

Use joist hangers.

Properly support the beams.

Total uniformly supported live load capacity would be 4800#.


To size a joist you need to know the desired uniform live load, dead load and the span.
Then you decide on the allowable deflection, pick the species of lumber and based on the spacing you find the allowable span.

http://www.awc.org/calculators/span/calc/timbercalcstyle.asp?species=Hem-Fir&size=2x6&grade=No.+2&member=Floor+Joists&deflectionlimit=L%2F240&spacing=16&wet=No&incised=No&liveload=50&snowload=-1&deadload=10&submit=Calculate+Maximum+Horizontal+Span#answer

For the beam(s), you take the contributing area which is half the span times the total load per SF, which gives you the load per lineal foot on the beam. Go to the beam tables and find a beam or pair of beams that supports that weight for each span with the Fb for the species (1.3 for hem-fir). Note the deflection limits for the table.

http://www.awc.org/pdf/wsdd/c2b.pdf


The point of the above exercise is to show that just picking a bigger piece of lumber doesn't always do it.

Yes, beams support more than joists....substantially more. And need to be deeper and/or doubled.

You can go to a stronger material, like Douglas Fir, to get more capacity in the same size, but at a premium cost.

You need to know the species and grade of wood to do calculations.

In the real world, there are no uniform loads, so everything is over-engineered to account for point loads.

To know what your structure will support, you need to do calculations and read tables. To do that, you need to input all the variables.

You can adjust any of the variables to allow for other ones to be what they need to be.

In this case, I took the 2x6's you chose, but in a less expensive species, and found they would support a higher load than you calculated. Based on this, the beams were undersized.

Or, you could use the loads you specified, 30#LL and 10#DL, for the beams. This give a contributing load of 160#/LF for the beams. You could use 2x8's for the 8' spans and 2-2x8's for the 12' span. The 2x6 joists would be oversized, so you could either leave them that way, or go to 24"o/c/ spacing. You would need to check the deck material to make sure it would span this.

Fun...huh?
Bill
 
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You have me kinda confused. I am in Nj and would buy the lumber at home depot. You said to use 2x8s for the 12 span and 2x8s for the 8' spans with 2x6 joists. The 8' span is the joist span. I am thinking just use 2x8s all around. Do you know what size lag bolts I need to use?
 
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