sberry
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Amen!
Do nothing but worry about it, over double the money in todays dollars to hedge against the risk with a general tool that could be had for 15 even at a flea that this girl couldnt break? Where do you guys learn math?
Question for you guys about tools.
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sberry
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and the cheap ones from HF you can get for a dollar. Do you think you will go through 40 sets of them in a working life time?
I can take a fukkin nail and grind it to a pick in a minute or 2 for the occasional pic to get an o ring out,,, and used dental pic from the fleas for a dollar or 2, 80 dollars before taxes.
I can take a fukkin nail and grind it to a pick in a minute or 2 for the occasional pic to get an o ring out,,, and used dental pic from the fleas for a dollar or 2, 80 dollars before taxes.
dsmnickk90
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Who's to say she couldn't break it. Over time Friction balls wear out, get stuck and so on.
Specialty tools are a different story tuck brands just re-brand them and it would be cheaper to go to the source, such as OTC or Lisle.
But if buy having a quality set of tools speeds up your efficiency by 5% as a flat rate mechanic making say $25per/hr. averaging 40hrs a week. You will make $2600 more a year to pay for those nicer tools.
You can buy a bunch of throw away beater cars to get you to work everyday but eventually I would have just been cheaper in the long run to buy a new car and saved a lot of headaches and frustration.
sberry
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shocksandstrutz
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^^^im with sberry the whole way
sberry
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We are assuming she can wear it out, who is to say she can, general experience with dozens of men and hundereds of tools tell me she cant but you want her to spend over double today to hedge against it 30 yrs from now?
No offence hick but I am a brutal mechanic, heat and beat, surpervise other mechanics in heat and beat, hard stuff good long time, I havnt broke it, you wont break it, even if you did could be replaced at cheap cost,,, if which is a big word and from practical experience a statistical long shot.
150% the money for one set where you have the lifetime odds of wrecking one piece hugely eclipesed by the original investment is about nill plus the odds of theft loss per $ zoom to the top, if a guy finances any part of this is losing about 10 to one before he turns the first screw.
My neighbor was contemplationg new car etc, trade in etc from hearsay and I finally said,,, you own the one you got now even at a couple K in next couple yrs maint means zip but you buy new you got about 8$ a mile in it before you sart the next 4 yrs, duh, might as well take a taxi a couple times a week, cost 40$ a trip,,, oh,,, way too much.
No offence hick but I am a brutal mechanic, heat and beat, surpervise other mechanics in heat and beat, hard stuff good long time, I havnt broke it, you wont break it, even if you did could be replaced at cheap cost,,, if which is a big word and from practical experience a statistical long shot.
150% the money for one set where you have the lifetime odds of wrecking one piece hugely eclipesed by the original investment is about nill plus the odds of theft loss per $ zoom to the top, if a guy finances any part of this is losing about 10 to one before he turns the first screw.
My neighbor was contemplationg new car etc, trade in etc from hearsay and I finally said,,, you own the one you got now even at a couple K in next couple yrs maint means zip but you buy new you got about 8$ a mile in it before you sart the next 4 yrs, duh, might as well take a taxi a couple times a week, cost 40$ a trip,,, oh,,, way too much.
sberry
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5%, 2600 a year after taxes to buy tools before taxes so a guy can fill a 100K invesytment over 25 yrs he cant sell for half. Spend in todays dollars in hopes you get back half in tomorrows, before taxes and finance value, money you financed, spent that could have banked. Even at 5% which I am sure would thin out in short time as a guy tailored what he needed wouldnt break even. Cost 5 k a year to make 2600? Before you depreciated or taxed it, sales tax alone cost more than a Cman or Stanley wrench... hahahha
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sberry
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10% is the break even number and thats provided you can sustain the productivity. You would have to be at 15 to make money and that doesnt consider that your living expenses carry on for the time required to earn enough extra to pay or invest. Would really have to sustane 20% or better to make it worth it. Then is it worth the stress and hard work?
In todays world if I had to take a job at the local Ford dealer to feed my kids I would buy the 400 box and put some shiney stuff from Walmart in it as filler and probably customise the handful of stuff I really needed.
In todays world if I had to take a job at the local Ford dealer to feed my kids I would buy the 400 box and put some shiney stuff from Walmart in it as filler and probably customise the handful of stuff I really needed.
Another consideration is if you buy SO every other mechanic you work along side that doesn't own SO will be trying to show you up constantly. However if you buy HF many others who you work along side will not take you seriously or consider you competent.
You have your whole future in front of you so it's a good time to invest in something you're proud of and will value for the years ahead. Be careful when looking for work to avoid places where everyone shares tools and the work place looks disorderly.
You have your whole future in front of you so it's a good time to invest in something you're proud of and will value for the years ahead. Be careful when looking for work to avoid places where everyone shares tools and the work place looks disorderly.
sberry
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My neighbor has all Snapon, he is retired auto mechanic, he said, all my worklife I had a lot of sears, I think he might still have the box he used, not sure but was a top hand at indy shop, tons of RxR back in the day, said,,, no one was paying me for fancy tools, they pay for done fast and at the end of his career as he retired a couple yrs ahead of the deal he spent a little horse trading till he ridded himself of pieces he doesnt need, rid of duplication etc, refined with a little less in retirement. Said it was a break even selling some sears and buying a few snappy used, didnt really cost him anything, was a little game for a bit.
He has it and this conversation still amazes him, he knows what I know as a rate of return tool/use/duty cycle cost is zilch on the bottom and expensive on the top end. I needed a bigger box,,, I finally took a bucket and took some stuff I dont use out, I am going to take another one out shortly. A couple of 5 gallon buckets stripped out and tossed in a basement, stuff we dont use, spares, wading thru it to get to pieces we do need is just as bad.
He has it and this conversation still amazes him, he knows what I know as a rate of return tool/use/duty cycle cost is zilch on the bottom and expensive on the top end. I needed a bigger box,,, I finally took a bucket and took some stuff I dont use out, I am going to take another one out shortly. A couple of 5 gallon buckets stripped out and tossed in a basement, stuff we dont use, spares, wading thru it to get to pieces we do need is just as bad.
sberry
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I feel better about the stripping process knowing I am tossing stuff with a dollar a unit value vs an expensive full set, in other words, strip out 50 or 100 pcs ov Cman and toss it asside,,, no big loss, throw a set away from Walmart with a few broken bits we wading thru, no big deal.
I toss a half inch set with ratchet in my crane truck, on occasion its handy but I got 20$ into it and 10 for a used ratchet. Fully service worthy equipment legit of showing up to any job with.
I toss a half inch set with ratchet in my crane truck, on occasion its handy but I got 20$ into it and 10 for a used ratchet. Fully service worthy equipment legit of showing up to any job with.
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dsmnickk90
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I wouldn't want a "heat it and beat it, brutal mechanic" working on my car. The fleet world and heavy equipment is completely different than a dealership working on customer cars. If you were a flat rate mechanic your unorganized box would slow you down and in the end cost you money. Same with every time you have to stop a job because of a broken tool and run to the store and get another one.
I'm not saying she wouldn't be fine with SK, Armstrong, Williams etc. but with a 50% discount she will be getting Snap On at similar prices of the more affordable industrial brand tools.
I know a lot of people than spend 60k+ to go off to college and then get out making 30k-40k a year.
So if she spends 30k on school the gets 10K in tools at 50% (20k value) she is still doing better than average in today's world.
sberry
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If someone is fully aware thats another matter, they want a Snappy no matter the price and yes I think there are pieces worth it in some cases or dont care the cost, want the best, the truck brand is for you. For a girl going to mechanic school this is pitiful advice no matter how much % off. Get a couple hand tool boxes you can carry in trunk of car, one of my buds has nice setup with cart, wanna be cool get a couple old beat flea boxes and some well worn tools.
I liked hip roof box and a common mid sized rectangle box with tray, wrenches and pliers in tray. I remember going to auto college there was a list of tools, I rounded up some stuff from home in one tool box that weighed about 40# and had what I needed, no one said a word like I had too little but I was pretty good, some of these guys had worked or been to trade classes, most came in the door with an 8 $ plastic box with a metric Phillips screwdriver and a pair of vise grips, they managed quite well.
In fact in todays market I would try to get the good for cheap, make a game of that vs playing keep up with the Joneses.
I liked hip roof box and a common mid sized rectangle box with tray, wrenches and pliers in tray. I remember going to auto college there was a list of tools, I rounded up some stuff from home in one tool box that weighed about 40# and had what I needed, no one said a word like I had too little but I was pretty good, some of these guys had worked or been to trade classes, most came in the door with an 8 $ plastic box with a metric Phillips screwdriver and a pair of vise grips, they managed quite well.
In fact in todays market I would try to get the good for cheap, make a game of that vs playing keep up with the Joneses.
sberry
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I am finding I am at a saturation level for a few things and a certain amount of un used which is confusing at best. I just put about 50 screwdrivers away, they are good, they are just extra, in fact not too long ago were short but was thinking I should figure out another rack in good location to act as a battery similar to our common combo wrenches.
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Im also guessing this $2000 in tools is going to be credit as well. How nice of them.
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Its the Student Enrollment program. It gives a 50-60% discount to students. The discount is only for basic tools. It doesn't apply to tools boxes although I think their are some carts you can use the discount on. You don't have to put in on credit you can pay cash.
Matco has a similar program too.
dirtydogintex
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I'm all for that if that's what it takes for flat rate folks to become real mechanics - not just parts changers pit crew style!!!
I've owned/operated both types of shops as well as having been on both sides of the fence when it comes to repairs
and it's very apparent the customer usually pays and pays and pays for flat rating.....
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would you believe platinum triple plated titanium based on non-consumable prices?
sberry
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I am a pretty dandy problem solver, not real bright on the academic totem pole but I use the heat and beat in the question about the fitness of the tool, if it stands up to that then you diagnostic types, anyone with less agression than an ape will have no problem.
Believe it ornot there is a pace for heat and beat in this world, it might amaze one how many of the worlds problems get solved with a torch a hammer and a welder. On process and rate no one beats me on rediness, least amount of tools to do the most work the fastest. I see more than one left handed dealer shops that are a drag on the mechanics, mine is only about 1 step less refined than a nascar crew for routine work especially considering the rate we do it.
Adding a better hand tool would never add a nickle to the bottom line. Adding a 4 dollar socket to one we were missing or short of returns in a hurry. Better never.
I dont baby tools and as what price would you feel it not worth it to run down to the store or have the auto parts man deliver in an hour,,, what if you have to wait a week?
3rd. out of principle I cant see how it helps me one bit to chase down a truck if I can find him to feel insulted when I ask him to take my money for something I am paying 10X more for than I could one that worked from Walmart 24/7... what, willing to wait a week for the truck to show but cant swing in to wallyworld after work to get a whole new set of bits, 15%, again, less than the sales tax off the truck.
Believe it ornot there is a pace for heat and beat in this world, it might amaze one how many of the worlds problems get solved with a torch a hammer and a welder. On process and rate no one beats me on rediness, least amount of tools to do the most work the fastest. I see more than one left handed dealer shops that are a drag on the mechanics, mine is only about 1 step less refined than a nascar crew for routine work especially considering the rate we do it.
Adding a better hand tool would never add a nickle to the bottom line. Adding a 4 dollar socket to one we were missing or short of returns in a hurry. Better never.
I dont baby tools and as what price would you feel it not worth it to run down to the store or have the auto parts man deliver in an hour,,, what if you have to wait a week?
3rd. out of principle I cant see how it helps me one bit to chase down a truck if I can find him to feel insulted when I ask him to take my money for something I am paying 10X more for than I could one that worked from Walmart 24/7... what, willing to wait a week for the truck to show but cant swing in to wallyworld after work to get a whole new set of bits, 15%, again, less than the sales tax off the truck.
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sberry
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Those are a gang that could piss off. I would do it just to prove a point.
RECox286
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I guess by now you have heard the good, the bad, the ugly.
SO has been considered to be the top of the heap as far as
quality, fit, feel, and durability. For the opportunity to get a
half off deal, I would say if you have the $$ that you can afford
to lose, then go for it. However, don't tie yourself up with a
monthly credit payment if you can't or shouldn't really afford
it. While some may think bad things about HF, I use a lot of their
tools and equipment, and haven't had any problems. Basically
one must look, pick and choose what to buy there and what to
leave there. Yes, I do have some SO too. Mainly the tools I
use hard, and put away wet. Ratchets and sockets are a given
that you want something that will hold up over the long haul, so
I chose C'Man for ratchets and SO for sockets. Thus far, only a
very few were overstressed and broken in the 40 years I have used
them. Bottom Line, Go with the C'man deal; good tools, good deal,
good warranty. Check out HF as a source, but look and choose
piece by piece, (the US General Tool Boxes get a "Rave"). After you
have the basics would be the time to look at job specific tools that
other sources don't carry, but even then, most LAPS can order just
about anything you would need as a wrench turner, and usually at a
better price than the trucks. The only real advantage the truck offers
is that they come to you, usually once a week, and they do carry job
specific stuff as well as the basics. Don't be a "kid in a candy store"
buying on impulse because "some day I might need that". I use to make
do, or borrow to muddle thru a job until I could get to a place where I
could get my own whatever it was. You don't need to have a golden
"tin pan" to mine for gold.
Uncle Bob
SO has been considered to be the top of the heap as far as
quality, fit, feel, and durability. For the opportunity to get a
half off deal, I would say if you have the $$ that you can afford
to lose, then go for it. However, don't tie yourself up with a
monthly credit payment if you can't or shouldn't really afford
it. While some may think bad things about HF, I use a lot of their
tools and equipment, and haven't had any problems. Basically
one must look, pick and choose what to buy there and what to
leave there. Yes, I do have some SO too. Mainly the tools I
use hard, and put away wet. Ratchets and sockets are a given
that you want something that will hold up over the long haul, so
I chose C'Man for ratchets and SO for sockets. Thus far, only a
very few were overstressed and broken in the 40 years I have used
them. Bottom Line, Go with the C'man deal; good tools, good deal,
good warranty. Check out HF as a source, but look and choose
piece by piece, (the US General Tool Boxes get a "Rave"). After you
have the basics would be the time to look at job specific tools that
other sources don't carry, but even then, most LAPS can order just
about anything you would need as a wrench turner, and usually at a
better price than the trucks. The only real advantage the truck offers
is that they come to you, usually once a week, and they do carry job
specific stuff as well as the basics. Don't be a "kid in a candy store"
buying on impulse because "some day I might need that". I use to make
do, or borrow to muddle thru a job until I could get to a place where I
could get my own whatever it was. You don't need to have a golden
"tin pan" to mine for gold.
Uncle Bob
dirtydogintex
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sberry
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So he has checked put craftsman already? Our teacher told us that craftsman also has a local dealer that goes around and he only gives like 30%.
What I love the snow! It has been snowing all day today
School was cancelled, which was good as I cna study for final.I have about a year to go before I am done. I was thinking about leaving all the field experience for like the last 2 semesters, but didn't think it was a good idea.
I will soon
Have the list next to me, going to take a bit to type up, I don't think there is a link.Tools I need on the list just for field experience:
Pry Bar, 16", 1/4" Deep Socket Set, 1/4" Drive metric socket set, 1/4" drive general Service Socket Set, Battery Service kit, 3/8" drive adapter set, 3/8 drive socket standard socket set, 3/8 drive deep socket set, 3/8 driver torx drive set, 3/8 drive deep socket set, 1/2 drive general service socket set, pliers, adjustable joint, needle nose pliers, 1/2 to 3/8 adapter, radiator hose tool, hand scratch brush, adjustable wrench 12", Awl set, Hex wrench set l-shape, Hex wrench set metric, Hammer ball peen 16oz, carbon scraper, circuit tester, flashlight, ratchet 3/8 drive, ratchet 3/8 drive long flex handle, feeler gauges-4, extension 3/8 drive 11", mirror, saftey glasses, Hammer dead blow 16oz plastic top, hacksaw, combination wrench 15/16, combination wrench 1, combination wrench set 3/8-7/8, combination wrench set metirc 10-19mm, scraper, pliers set, punch and chisel set, pliers, retaining ring convertible, telescopic pick up tool, wire stripper with cutter, flare nut wrench set 3/8-13/16, spark plug socket 13/16 3/8 drive, spark plug socket 5/8 3/8 drive, screwdriver set, screwdriver ratching, long shank drive 1/4 drive, extension 1/4 drive 6", pliers locking, and tape tape measure.
Pry Bar, 16", 1/4" Deep Socket Set, 1/4" Drive metric socket set, 1/4" drive general Service Socket Set, Battery Service kit, 3/8" drive adapter set, 3/8 drive socket standard socket set, 3/8 drive deep socket set, 3/8 driver torx drive set, 3/8 drive deep socket set, 1/2 drive general service socket set, pliers, adjustable joint, needle nose pliers, 1/2 to 3/8 adapter, radiator hose tool, hand scratch brush, adjustable wrench 12", Awl set, Hex wrench set l-shape, Hex wrench set metric, Hammer ball peen 16oz, carbon scraper, circuit tester, flashlight, ratchet 3/8 drive, ratchet 3/8 drive long flex handle, feeler gauges-4, extension 3/8 drive 11", mirror, saftey glasses, Hammer dead blow 16oz plastic top, hacksaw, combination wrench 15/16, combination wrench 1, combination wrench set 3/8-7/8, combination wrench set metirc 10-19mm, scraper, pliers set, punch and chisel set, pliers, retaining ring convertible, telescopic pick up tool, wire stripper with cutter, flare nut wrench set 3/8-13/16, spark plug socket 13/16 3/8 drive, spark plug socket 5/8 3/8 drive, screwdriver set, screwdriver ratching, long shank drive 1/4 drive, extension 1/4 drive 6", pliers locking, and tape tape measure.
bobcatdan
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Beside SO, you should also be able to get big discounts on matco and mac. Matco will let buy damn near anything out of the catalog at 50%. Craftsman even offered small discounts when I was in school in 2001. I would look closely at the kit set offered. I found them to have things I would never use and missing things I needed now. Shop around and compare prices. 50% puts trucks tools in real competive pricing. Take a look at brands like SK, armstrong, wright and proto and see where prices all fall. The big thing SO as well as the other trucks brand sell is serivce. You will break stuff and if you have to wait three weeks to send in something you use everyday, that just *****. I break something and I need it, I call Snappy and he is there that day. At the end of the day, buy what you want. Don't let the hf fan boys tell YOU what ot buy and the same goes for the SO fanboys.
Only things you want from SO are socket, wrench, and ratchet. The rest you can get from somewhere else for alot less. Use the left over money to buy automotive specialty tools. You will be alot more productive if you have more tools that's right for the job. You won't be able to replace the ball joint with shiny SO wrench.
Snapped-off
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Snap-on drill bits are not lifetime warranty. That would be completely dependent on your dealer.
Brownsfan
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When I started I bought all craftsman. Everything I had was craftsman. Those sockets are close to 20 years old and I have never broken one. I eventually started to upgrade things like screwdrivers and pliers etc. The one thing I never replaced was the sockets. I just added to it. All my wrenches are craftsman and gearwrench. Now I will say that I am not a ******** 9-5 mechanic. I specialize in electrical trouble shooting and repair but I still use them. I would buy everything but sockets and wrenches from snap on. And the rest USA craftsman if you can find it. 50 percent off can buy you some good specialty stuff
I agree with old tools. I think field experence. Should give you a taste of what you'll be getting into if you want to do this for a living. Don't leave mac and matco out. Matco makes a good box and their tools are pretty good as well as mac. I wouldn't spend 2000 unless I was 100% sure this is what I wanted to do.
Brownsfan
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Forgot to add that all my ratchets are now snap on or Cornwell. There is a clear difference in those over craftsman. All my specialty panel removal, hook tools, terminal tools are all snap on. You can buy more things like that and save by buying sockets and wrenches from elsewhere. I would also look at SK for sockets and wrenches if you feel that crafts man won't do or can't find USA
FunkyfullWidth
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sberry... I didn't count but alot of this thread was sucked up by your anti truck brand tool jibberish. you've taken your distaste for them to a whole new level. If you want to trust your career to cheap junk just because it's that much cheaper all the power to you. I wouldn't want to be in a jam fixing something when I break a .25 cent socket or snap a dollar wrench. I've had the cheap ball joint presses and i've broken two of them with only an 18" 1/2 ratchet, no cheater. that's almost a show stopper.
I went with my 1/2 off student discount and it was the best thing I ever did. You get tools that chances are your not going to destroy and if you do, who cares, you have a guy that'll bring you a new one. Give him a call if your in a pinch and if your on good terms would probably go out of his way for you. With truck tool brands you get alot for your money and unless you have a **** dealer, you get what you pay for as well.
I've seen a lot of guys that spend their lives collecting "wal mart tools" and they usually end up with buckets of junk doubles and pales of broken sockets and wrenches.
I went with my 1/2 off student discount and it was the best thing I ever did. You get tools that chances are your not going to destroy and if you do, who cares, you have a guy that'll bring you a new one. Give him a call if your in a pinch and if your on good terms would probably go out of his way for you. With truck tool brands you get alot for your money and unless you have a **** dealer, you get what you pay for as well.
I've seen a lot of guys that spend their lives collecting "wal mart tools" and they usually end up with buckets of junk doubles and pales of broken sockets and wrenches.
NHBandit
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Actually he reminded me of an old Greek I worked for at a used car dealership right up until I retired 2 years ago. I was his service manager and we would get into arguments all the time because I wouldn't give him a key to my toolbox. I had several thousand dollars worth of professional quality tools and he had discount store junk. Well naturally he was always wanting to borrow my stuff. He refused to buy quality tools himself because he had a couple of lowlife bottom feeder types working for him and he was afraid they would steal his tools if he bought good stuff. Here's a clue... don't hire druggies who would steal the dirt off the floor if they thought they could sell it. The boss was always running to the junkyards to get parts for the stuff we were working on and losing his tools, breaking them, etc. It got so bad with him wanting to borrow mine that I bought him one of those Craftsman sets that comes in a plastic case (with his money of course) and told him to keep it locked in the trunk of his car and not to tell anyone so he would have some tools to go on parts runs. Amazingly enough once he had some tools that were better than the usual **** he bought he started taking better care of them. When he did insist on borrowing something from me I would make him give me a $50 or $100 deposit. LoL.. I always got my stuff back after that. Anyway sberry kind of reminds me of that guy for some reason. And business must be really slow. He's been HERE all day posting on this thread..
By the way.. today I was bored so I started going through my tools and found 2 Snap On screwdrivers with broken tips and a 1/4" drive screwdriver style handle that the detent ball had fallen out of. That one was so old that particular part number had been discontinued. The 2 screwdrivers were probably 10 or more years old as well. I called customer support since I'm retired and don't have a regular dealer anymore. They are sending out replacement blades for the screwdrivers and a complete new style 1/4" drive handle on their dime. Try that with Harbor Freight...
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bobcatdan
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Lets all remember Mr Holeshot where ever he is, "all threads over three pages turn into a ******* match."
Brownsfan
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I couldn't imagine doing any of the electrical work I do with cheap Walmart stuff. There is a difference in crimp tools strippers meters and circuit testers. I would not want to give my customers that level of quality because no matter how skilled you are that inferior tool will not make the connection properly. So I agree with you 100percent on the above statement. He can't argue this point and if that's what he uses then I wouldn't want him anywhere near my car with those tools. There is no comparison. These type of tools should never be cheaped out on.
crewchief888
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knowing what i know now after pulling wrenches at const eq dealerships for over 25 years..
i'd spend my money with SO for
ratchets
air tools, impacts would not be on that list
some specialty pullers, ie: pitman arm
line wrenches
if you are going to be working at a real shop while you are still in school, have a look around, see what everybody else is using for specific jobs.
as you start to work, you'll find that while the next guy uses brand "X" for taking "B" part off, you may find it easier for you to use brand "Z".
you may prefer brand X for screwdrivers, because they fit your hand better than brand M
both jobs accomplished, with different tools
and you thought it was hard picking out shoes...
i'd spend my money with SO for
ratchets
air tools, impacts would not be on that list
some specialty pullers, ie: pitman arm
line wrenches
if you are going to be working at a real shop while you are still in school, have a look around, see what everybody else is using for specific jobs.
as you start to work, you'll find that while the next guy uses brand "X" for taking "B" part off, you may find it easier for you to use brand "Z".
you may prefer brand X for screwdrivers, because they fit your hand better than brand M
both jobs accomplished, with different tools
and you thought it was hard picking out shoes...
Brownsfan
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Do you have any other trucks that you can buy from? Do you have a Production Tool Supply in your area? I know they are all over Michigan. They have Williams and Wright in stock all the time. You can buy online from them as well. I have bunch of stuff I bought from them. They also have a full line of Channellock pliers. I wish I had found this place earlier.
Buckgnarly
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No, I have talked to the 1800 warranty number and they told me drill bits are covered. They are lifetime.
I even posted about it a while back
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=182370
richfinn
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4344 posts (and the associated reading of others), should give you a pretty good understanding of what brands you need to buy if you are going to be a vehicle technician.
85camaro
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Proto is the best bargain in tools for the automotive technician. Proto offers professional quality at a reasonable price.
Use the truck brands for specialty tools that are hard to get elsewhere.
Use the truck brands for specialty tools that are hard to get elsewhere.