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chevy.stroker

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How many of you actually do research into the tools you purchase and go to the source to purchase tools instead of the tool needing to have a particular name stamped on them?

I'm not just talking about the truck brands here. Lots of places and brands relabel. Sears Craftsman, SK, ATD, etc. It is the way of a global economy.

I certainly understand that quick warranty is a concern when you make your money with your tools. However, I also know that in the economy we are in now that many who are turning wrenches do not, or are slowly losing, the spending power they once had.

I also understand that the tool trucks will often finance tools over time and that big ticket times need to be financed. So, although a Waterloo or Montazooma toolbox maybe less expensive that financing is a concern. However, there are some places where real, or the same, quality, and often the exact same tool, can be purchased for far less money with a minimal amount of research. A few examples are:

Norseman drill bits from Epsteins. Can you purchase a better Molybdenum bit?

Relabeled Hanson extractors. I know they aren't the best out there but it is often relabeled. I often replace a broken tap with a USA made Hanson tap.

OTC testers are often relabeled. As are Lisle and Wilde.

The reverse often occurs as well. Sometimes relabeled tools sell for cheaper than the name brand. I was very impressed when one member on here was purchasing USA made tools from either Advanced Auto or AutoZone for pennies on the dollar of name brand and had the knowledge to know exactly what they were buying.

Anyway, I think you get my point (even if my examples ****). Do you ever research and avoid the overhead, or do you just jump on the truck, or run into Sears and pay more fore relabeled tools?

I certainly don't fault either camp for their purchasing habits. I guess I'm just to much of a tight *** to ever want to pay more than I have to.
 
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The stuff that Sears relabels is *typically* less than the OEM company. Mayhew pry bars were $50 for the 5 pc set at Sears where as online they are something like $50 for the 3 pc set. Plus you get the easy warranty at Sears vs. having to mail something in and wait.
 

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The stuff that Sears relabels is *typically* less than the OEM company. Mayhew pry bars were $50 for the 5 pc set at Sears where as online they are something like $50 for the 3 pc set. Plus you get the easy warranty at Sears vs. having to mail something in and wait.

Exactly! I have noticed this about Sears and have capitalized as much as possible. I'm glad I bought the 5pc pro pry bar set right before the closeout.

I buy tools based on one principal (usually ;)) ... and that's ROI.

If HF will give me the best ROI because it's a tool that'll hardly see use, then that's what I get. If Snap-On will be better, then I go with that
 

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I buy quite a few tools from Snap-on, but the only thing I won't buy from them is stuff they relabel. The first example I can think of is the 125w Butane soldering iron they sell. I think it is $167. I bought the OEM (Portasol), for $65 shipped to my house in two days.

Although I did recently buy a punch/chisel set from them, I'm not sure if Snap-on actually makes it or not.

But I usually go to the OEM as long as it's cheaper, for stuff that gets rebranded.
 

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Rebranded stuff @ Sears =WIN

Rebranded stuff @ SnapOn=FAIL

I generally research stuff. I'm not brand-loyal to a name, but a name that has served me well moves to the top of the research list. For example, when I need an air tool, I look first to Ingersoll-Rand, because the IR air tools I have used so far have never disappointed. Brand loyal, to a point, but tool acquisitions are also researched, with multiple prospects considered most of the time. Even though IR has done well for me, my next impact wrench might be a snappy, as the anvil stop feature has great appeal to my usage pattern.

I don't buy anything off the Snap-On truck that isn't Snap-On. If it's any other brand, I know they've marked it up 100% more than it will cost me somewhere else.
 

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I try to buy based on experiance (mine and other's) availability, warranty, and to a lesser degree brand (which can have an effect on the warranty or lack of). I do try to avoid some brands more then other's based on prefference and/or COO.

Example being the rethreading kit's Kastar makes & sells them and are rebranded as Snap-on & Craftsman. I bought a Kastar, but Snap-on sells open stock for replacement pieces. No one else does.

More or less I research everything to detail, and 95% of the time end up happy.
 

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I don't buy anything off the Snap-On truck that isn't Snap-On. If it's any other brand, I know they've marked it up 100% more than it will cost me somewhere else.

The flip side of this is if you buy a Knipex tool from Snap-on (branded as Snap-on) for instance, you get a "practical" warranty with it. (IE; easier time getting it warrantied from S-O then the OEM)

But for the most part I agree that some thing's are best bought elsewhere for less.
 

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When it comes to tools I try to find a balance between value and quality. Its nice since every week Cornwell & Matco stop by the shop so if I can pick up something they will warranty for cheaper than off the truck I will. For example the VIM XZN (Triple Square) set I paid 22 bucks for it while it was nearly three times as much for the Cornwell branded set. However there is a point where I prefer to spend a little more to have a better variety and package style such as the Cornwell Master Torx/Hex set. It comes in a nice big case as opposed little individual boxes which would drive me crazy hunting for the right bit. I once read on here something along the lines of "My tools make me money I don't work to pay off my tools" that's what I'm trying to go by from now on
 

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To some degree I read the tool reviews put out from the woodworking magazines, now some people put a lot of stock in those reviews but you have to read between the lines sometimes.

For example they might say the Fein power tool (think snap on) is the top gun versus the Ryobi( A good tool but made overseas think craftsman). Sure you are paying 10 times as much so it better be pretty darn good.

I prefer hearing from as many tool users as possible what works well for them and why they like that tool rather then reading about fancy reviews.

My last router got fantastic reviews but after replacing the on/off switch twice so far I wish I had heard from other people first; now it seems many people are having the same problems.

After hearing so many Gj members telling how great their wright ratchets were I bought one and indeed it is a top notch tool.:thumbup::thumbup:
 

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Another example, I asked my MAC dealer about the MAC version of the IR 2135qtimax. (Just out of curiosity). He wanted $450 for it. I bought the IR 2135 for $250 online with the protective boot for it.
 
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I guess we aren't going to get any truck brand loyalists to chime in, and that is really to bad. I remember wrenching back in the 1980's. Without the Internet I didn't know anything about tools. I bought from Sears, Snap On, Mac, Matco, and Lisle from the display rack in the quality auto parts stores (no Chinese parts there). I really miss those times. I do like learning from this form about what I missed out on knowing about:

The New Britain tools at Montgomery Wards.

That my Blue Point oil filter wrench was a Wilde.

etc, etc.

I also know that even knowing all that I know if I had a need to keep the tool truck coming to my business I would throw $100 a week to them just to keep them in reach. Specialty tools when the car is sitting in the shop can be worth a premium.

For those who have responded: Thanks!
 

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I reaserch most of my tool purchases when its something i know i need and i have the time to do so. If im in the middle of a job and i need a tool then ill take a trip to the local autoparts store or sears ill just buy something cheap to get through the job. If i was a pro and i needed a tool id probably just buy snap on or whatever truck was the easiest to deal with.
 
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Word of mouth.I have a pair of Knipex mini bolt cutters on order,good for cutting junk brake lines.A good friend of my father's told me about them and showed the pair to me he has.
 

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where i buy is based on price vs warranty
i check here to find out who the actually manufactures the tool
and what they think of it
then i take that and plug it into tooltopia, compare it to snap on or matco price
then i bulk together all the infrequent stuff and buy it from tooltopia
all the frequently used i buy from snap on or matco, because its bound to break
 

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Good example - Craftsman Pro screwdrivers are S-K. The Craftsman branded version are cheaper (can catch them on sale sometimes really cheap) , and have you ever tried to get S-K to warranty a screwdriver...LOL...YEA-RIGHT.
 

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I thought Cman Pro screwdrivers were western forge. It would explain the WF on the handle that otherwise has no apparent purpose.
 

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Time is money. An hour spent researching to save ten bucks is a waste for me. I find good quality and I buy it if I need it.
 

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I thought Cman Pro screwdrivers were western forge. It would explain the WF on the handle that otherwise has no apparent purpose.

You are right, from my understanding Ideal owns Western Forge and when they bought SK, they started having WF make the screwdrivers for SK from what it looks like.
 

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You are right, from my understanding Ideal owns Western Forge and when they bought SK, they started having WF make the screwdrivers for SK from what it looks like.

Neat. I guess that makes me simultaneously both right and wrong at the same time ;) I will have to look at some SK screwdrivers and see how similar they are to the CMan Pros. I have two sets of CMP's, and they both lack stubbies. Maybe I can get stubbies from SK that will match the rest of the set.

Time is money. An hour spent researching to save ten bucks is a waste for me. I find good quality and I buy it if I need it.

Unless you enjoy shopping for tools. Then it's an hour of recreational time that cost you a net savings of $10.
You also could stand to polish your google-fu. I can find the best price for something in far less than an hour.
 

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Sure enough, SK cushion grip screwdrivers look just like craftsman pro's. Their stubbies were the same...they called them stubby, and they had the shank length of a stubby, but still had a full length handle.
 

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I have at least 2 friends that own large auto repair shops for Porsche, BMW, Audi, ect ect, I ask them questions about tools all the times and since I also spend a lot of time in the shops watching them work I notice what tools are being used to preform certain task on diffrent cars.I Watch and learn from them
 

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I like buying tools, finding them at bargain prices and still getting good quality make it more fun.

Going to the source hasn't worked well for me. Craftsman has the killer warranty, and so far the manufacturer branded tool is more expensive mostly due to poor distribution channels (zero discounting retailers).
 
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