Railroad Tools Big & Small

[Jacobs976]

I think it's close, but the only way to verify that would be to look in that catalog but the asking price is a bit out my my range.

I tried finding a digital copy but no luck there. I also tried looking for tools from the brand but that didn't go anywhere either. Names too generic so it's a needle search.

Catalog probably wouldn't be helpful anyhow since it'd probably be the ideal drawing, perfect dimensions and logo, instead of what the real stamp would look like.

The actual name of the tool could potentially be in it but the estimated date of mfg would be 1913-1930 so the catalog might not actually have it listed since it most likely didn't catch on.

My only guess at it's purpose is a multi-wrench for either some old locomotive engines/steamworks or for various hopper valves. Wrench in general because it'd line up with most bolts you'd see single traditional wrenches for but with the length being excessive compared to the traditional I could see it being for more hazardous work like avoiding superheated steam or an avalanche of quicksand like grain.

 

[RTM]

I was poking around looking for a patent on a can opener (which turned out to actually be a tack puller) and stumbled across this.
I remember Werner Erhardt telling us "If you look hard enough for something you will find it," so I try to keep that in mind, but this bears a striking resemblance to what you have there - notwithstanding yours being almost illegible. It's obvious from the content of their catalog that they were definitely in the railroad and mining supply business:

I’m gonna suggest Maybe Not. Seeing as how they are a supplier, not a manufacturer, I don’t expect to see their name on a ton of things.

Looking thru the catalog pages, they show Eagle oil cans, Huntington track gauge, Beaver car mover, etc., and nothing of their own make (yeah I know, very limited sample size). There isn’t Stiletto, or Clover, or OVB, etc marked stuff, maybe their turnover wasn’t large enough to get stuff private labeled.

I think our triangle is still a mystery, and not a closed case, yet.

 

[LOW1]

Here’s a question that shows my complete ignorance about railroads and their tools.

Are hand powered car movers still used today? If so what do they look like?

 

[four.cycle]

I’m gonna suggest Maybe Not. Seeing as how they are a supplier, not a manufacturer, I don’t expect to see their name on a ton of things.

Looking thru the catalog pages, they show Eagle oil cans, Huntington track gauge, Beaver car mover, etc., and nothing of their own make (yeah I know, very limited sample size). There isn’t Stiletto, or Clover, or OVB, etc marked stuff, maybe their turnover wasn’t large enough to get stuff private labeled.

I think our triangle is still a mystery, and not a closed case, yet.

Okay, yes, and we don't know for sure.
Peck Stow and Wilcox had their name on a lot of stuff, as did several other big hardware wholesalers. That said, forging something of that size is a completely different ball of wax than operating a warehouse.
Yes, everything there is outsourced, but as you noted that's a minute sample.
And yes, definitely still a mystery.

Are hand powered car movers still used today? If so what do they look like?

The standard wood-handle model is only $493.63
This snazzy aluminum-handled model is on sale for the amazing low price of only $545.40 Get yours today!

 

[SkyPuncher]

Couple more good ol' jacks. Simplex No. 6 and an old Huber MFG. CO. No.4

 

[AntiqueBen]

I got lucky & found a Swaco Hopper Car Wrench. It was patented in 1913 by the Safety Wrench & Appliance Company. See patent HERE It's 3ft long, has a 2" drive (opening ) & weighs 29 lbs. This was used to open the shutes on railroad hopper cars. One of the reasons I wanted this one was not just because it's a railroad tool, but it was made by Lowell Wrench Co. As some of you know, I'm a huge Lowell fan. These seem to be somewhat rare. Other than pics, I've never seen one in the wild or for sale. Cool to think this ratchet probably spent most of its life in a railyard.

In the ads I attached below describes how the safety mechanism on the tool works so it wouldn't just fly out of your hands once you start opening the shutes on the hopper car. I should receive this ratchet in about a week. It will be fun to clean this one up.

Does anyone know "when" did machines take over & start emptying the hopper cars? I other words, when did they stop emptying hopper cars by hand?

 

[AntiqueBen]

Here are some ads I found for the Hopper Car Wrench (ratchet). One ad says it has a steel tensile strength of 70,000 - 80,000 lbs!

 

[Hellpig]

Cool thread!

My Dad was a B&O cop for 5 years when he came home from WWII. Think I still have his B&O marked whistle and a Dietz RR lantern.

Oddly enough, we wound up with a couple RR wrenches and a rr jack from my wife's people.

Will grab a pic of the jack. It's been a doorstop.the last few decades, lol

 

[AntiqueBen]

I'm wandering if 4C might have some Lowell Wrench catalog info on this Hopper Car Wrench? Usually a small forge mark of the manufacturer of the tool is what you see, but Lowell takes all of one side of the handle to forge their name & location (Lowell Wrench Co Worcester Mass). I'm curious if this hopper wrench is in a Lowell catalog as an advertised Lowell tool, OR was it only advertised as a Swaco tool made by the Safety Wrench & Appliance Company?

 

[bobg03]

I got lucky & found a Swaco Hopper Car Wrench. It was patented in 1913 by the Safety Wrench & Appliance Company. See patent HERE It's 3ft long, has a 2" drive (opening ) & weighs 29 lbs. This was used to open the shutes on railroad hopper cars. One of the reasons I wanted this one was not just because it's a railroad tool, but it was made by Lowell Wrench Co. As some of you know, I'm a huge Lowell fan. These seem to be somewhat rare. Other than pics, I've never seen one in the wild or for sale. Cool to think this ratchet probably spent most of its life in a railyard.

In the ads I attached below describes how the safety mechanism on the tool works so it wouldn't just fly out of your hands once you start opening the shutes on the hopper car. I should receive this ratchet in about a week. It will be fun to clean this one up.

Does anyone know "when" did machines take over & start emptying the hopper cars? I other words, when did they stop emptying hopper cars by hand?

When I went to work at Pfizer in 1981, one of my first jobs was to unload the various RR cars we used in the manufacture of Antibiotics, some were tankers but many cars of starch and sugar were unloaded into a screw conveyor that was pnuematicaly raised to mate to the bottom of the hopper cars.
This wrench was the tool that opened the bottom of the car and of course the gasket would leak....wrench was heavy.

 

[Hellpig]

Looks like my doorstop is a Duff No. 117.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I'm curious if this hopper wrench is in a Lowell catalog as an advertised Lowell tool, OR was it only advertised as a Swaco tool made by the Safety Wrench & Appliance Company?

There are no Lowell Wrench Co catalogs in the public domain on IA/ITCL or anywhere else that I know of. If there were, I have my doubts the wrench would be in it. It's not their design, patent, or product. As for "only" being advertised by SWACO, note that the Hess Steel Castings Company, also of Philadelphia, also advertised the same wrench. They were both probably licensing the design from the inventor, Charles E. Bonine, also of Philadelphia. The patent was not assigned and he was not associated with either company, and if you poke around in Google Books, you'll find that he had his own company, an engineering consulting services firm, and numerous inventions to his name, including a milk bottle sanitizer and an electric switch.

 

[AntiqueBen]

There are no Lowell Wrench Co catalogs in the public domain on IA/ITCL or anywhere else that I know of. If there were, I have my doubts the wrench would be in it. It's not their design, patent, or product. As for "only" being advertised by SWACO, note that the Hess Steel Castings Company, also of Philadelphia, also advertised the same wrench. They were both probably licensing the design from the inventor, Charles E. Bonine, also of Philadelphia. The patent was not assigned and he was not associated with either company, and if you poke around in Google Books, you'll find that he had his own company, an engineering consulting services firm, and numerous inventions to his name, including a milk bottle sanitizer and an electric switch.

While searching Google books I seen a few other companies offering this type of hopper wrench. So, if I got this right, the Safety Wrench & Appliance Company sold their Swaco Hopper Car Wrench that was manufactured/forged by Lowell?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

So, if I got this right, the Safety Wrench & Appliance Company sold their Swaco Hopper Car Wrench that was manufactured/forged by Lowell?

Well, at least one of them. There's no way of answering your question across decades of production without other evidence and we have no way of knowing if Lowell ever made any of the same wrenches that Hess Steel Castings was also advertising and selling without an example.

 

[AntiqueBen]

Well, at least one of them. There's no way of answering your question across decades of production without other evidence and we have no way of knowing if Lowell ever made any of the same wrenches that Hess Steel Castings was also advertising and selling without an example.

Now that you say this, so far, none of the examples I can find in ads are made by Lowell or at least no mention of Lowell making a Hopper Car Wrench.

 

[AntiqueBen]

Well, at least one of them. There's no way of answering your question across decades of production without other evidence and we have no way of knowing if Lowell ever made any of the same wrenches that Hess Steel Castings was also advertising and selling without an example.

I was digging around in Google books & I found what I was looking for (pic below). This advertisement is out of a 1932 issue of Railway Age. Looks like Lowell Wrench Company bought the Safety Wrench & Appliance Company in 1932 with all the rights to Swaco Safety Wrench. It says from here on out, Lowell will be manufacturing the Swaco Safety Hopper Car Wrench.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

It's the American way! Haha. Nice work. Also helps date yours.

 

[AntiqueBen]

It's the American way! Haha. Nice work. Also helps date yours.

I would guess then that Lowell may have advertised this Hopper Car Wrench as theirs at some point? Especially since my example has Lowell's name forged on one side of the handle & Swaco on the other side. I'd be curious to know how long Lowell actually made this hopper wrench since other options were coming out on how to open & close shutes on rail cars. There might be a Lowell ad out there somewhere that shows their version of this wrench.

Down the rabbit hole I suppose.....

 

[AntiqueBen]

Here are some other interesting ads I found of other types of railroad hopper car wrenches.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

...at some point?

After the acquisition, so after 1932.

Here is a link to a 1937 trade directory, snippet-only view page 294, where they paid to have both company names entered under the 'Wrenches, Hopper, Car' category, covering all their angles. Note that SWACO is now located in Worcester, MA.

Here is a 1940 trade directory listing just Safety Wrench & Appliance Co., Worcester, MA, no Lowell Wrench Co, under 'Wrenches, Hopper, Car.'

It looks like SWACO moved from Philly to Springfield, MA at least as early as 1928. If you go to page 3 in the index of this trade journal, it shows their address as 360 Worthington Street, Springfield, MA. If you go to page 69, they are advertising their wrench, with no mention of Lowell Wrench Co. The move from Philly to Springfield may have precipitated Lowell's interest, but if you read the acquisition notice you found and posted in post #136 more carefully, it looks like they were already located in Worcester before Lowell bought them.

 

[Jim greengo]

Any great tool ever made was created by a blacksmith.
That's what my dear old departed dad always said,he spent 30 plus years as a blacksmith/boilermaker/spring maker with the UPRR.
A blacksmith will make tool to make a tool,to make a part was another 1 of his famous sayings
He couldn't sweat copper to save his life,but he could build anything you wanted out of steel. Hahaha

 

[AntiqueBen]

After the acquisition, so after 1932.

Here is a link to a 1937 trade directory, snippet-only view page 294, where they paid to have both company names entered under the 'Wrenches, Hopper, Car' category, covering all their angles. Note that SWACO is now located in Worcester, MA.

Here is a 1940 trade directory listing just Safety Wrench & Appliance Co., Worcester, MA, no Lowell Wrench Co, under 'Wrenches, Hopper, Car.'

It looks like SWACO moved from Philly to Springfield, MA at least as early as 1928. If you go to page 3 in the index of this trade journal, it shows their address as 360 Worthington Street, Springfield, MA. If you go to page 69, they are advertising their wrench, with no mention of Lowell Wrench Co. The move from Philly to Springfield may have precipitated Lowell's interest, but if you read the acquisition notice you found and posted in post #136 more carefully, it looks like they were already located in Worcester before Lowell bought them.

Nice research Lugz. I agree that once Swaco moved to Springfield, Lowell got a closer look at what they were doing & decided to buy them out. It would be fun to compare side by side an original Swaco vs Swaco once Lowell got ahold of them. I'm guessing again that Lowell must have thought they could make it better (probably so) or they just wanted to simply eliminate a competitor...or both. If I had to pic a version without seeing it, I would have to pick the Lowell version...but that's just me.

 

[speed bump]

More modern than most of the tools in here but our rail contractor has one of these saws. Cool setup when you need a nice cut.

K1270 Gas Rail Saw | Trak-Star

Husqvarna Model K1270 Rail Saw quickly cuts through railroad track. The saw has a 7.8 H.P. gas powered motor and an Active Air Filtration System reducing wear.

www.trak-star.com

 

[bobg03]

I seem to recall that the wrenches we used to open the hoppers also had the availability of a type of torque multiplier being used in conjuction with the wrench.

On the locomotives on my second career we had a few heavy tools to assist in changing an air hose or a knuckle. The wrench for the air hoses was heavy and my regular engineer had a trainee one time and he put the wrench in the bottom of the trainees grip, poor guy lugged that bag all the way to the hotel and back. I made the engineer help him hoist it up on the engine and he made a big show of "WTF are you carrying around?" when he pulled it out of the guys grip.

 

[four.cycle]

Safety / Safety Wrench & Appliance Co., Philadelphia, PA / "Swaco" ratchet wrench / patent 1053703 Feb 18 1913 Charles E. Bonine / see also Hess Steel Co., Bridgeton, NJ /

Hess / Hess Steel Co., Bridgeton, NJ / "Swaco" ratchet wrench / patent 1053703 Feb 18 1913 Charles E. Bonine / see also Safety Wrench & Appliance Co., Philadelphia, PA /

Swaco / Swaco ratchet wrench see Safety Wrench & Appliance Co., Philadelphia, PA /

But yeah... Lowell made the "Swaco" after the acquisition... this one just got untangled a few months ago. The trade catalogs don't mention "Lowell" in the ad listings, for some reason:


1940 Beals McCarthy & Rogers catalog Crescent Dayton Petersen Vise Grip Swaco wrench ad pp C309

1941 W. Bingham & Co. catalog Advance Appleton Dayton Safety Wrench & Appliance pp 17

Looks like I didn't keep the notes on this one, Ben... sorry... I think "Swaco" became (in a way) something along the lines of "Band-Aid" or "Kleenex" - this Lowell-manufactured car mover was sold as a "Swaco":


Lowell car mover (patent 1985317)(ebay 01)

I think along the same line as Stanley's "Bailey" plane or "Jersey Vise" - the name was still used by the new manufacturer.

 

[AntiqueBen]

Safety / Safety Wrench & Appliance Co., Philadelphia, PA / "Swaco" ratchet wrench / patent 1053703 Feb 18 1913 Charles E. Bonine / see also Hess Steel Co., Bridgeton, NJ /

Hess / Hess Steel Co., Bridgeton, NJ / "Swaco" ratchet wrench / patent 1053703 Feb 18 1913 Charles E. Bonine / see also Safety Wrench & Appliance Co., Philadelphia, PA /

Swaco / Swaco ratchet wrench see Safety Wrench & Appliance Co., Philadelphia, PA /

But yeah... Lowell made the "Swaco" after the acquisition... this one just got untangled a few months ago. The trade catalogs don't mention "Lowell" in the ad listings, for some reason:


1940 Beals McCarthy & Rogers catalog Crescent Dayton Petersen Vise Grip Swaco wrench ad pp C309

1941 W. Bingham & Co. catalog Advance Appleton Dayton Safety Wrench & Appliance pp 17

Looks like I didn't keep the notes on this one, Ben... sorry... I think "Swaco" became (in a way) something along the lines of "Band-Aid" or "Kleenex" - this Lowell-manufactured car mover was sold as a "Swaco":


Lowell car mover (patent 1985317)(ebay 01)

I think along the same line as Stanley's "Bailey" plane or "Jersey Vise" - the name was still used by the new manufacturer.

Good info 4C. Yes, looks like Lowell kept the name Safety Wrench & Appliance Company for the Swaco wrench long after Lowell acquired them in 1932. Lugz listed a few in his post above. I found an interesting bit of information from a 1935 ad that shows subsidiaries of Lowell. The two companies listed as subsidiaries are the Safety Wrench & Appliance Company & Warnock Mfg Co.

 

[four.cycle]

looks like Lowell kept the name Safety Wrench & Appliance Company for the Swaco wrench long after Lowell acquired them in 1932.

Exactly.
It was a back-and-forth thing with datamp.org months ago on the car mover I posted above (which does NOT have "Swaco" on it anywhere, nor any mention of either Lowell or "Safety") - probably should have kept the notes, but hindsight's always 20/20, right?
Didn't know about the Warnock connection.

1053703 at datamp.org

(not sure why he didn't put Lowell in there as a manufacturer... I'm sure he had a reason... )

 

[AntiqueBen]

Exactly.
It was a back-and-forth thing with datamp.org months ago on the car mover I posted above (which does NOT have "Swaco" on it anywhere, nor any mention of either Lowell or "Safety") - probably should have kept the notes, but hindsight's always 20/20, right?
Didn't know about the Warnock connection.

1053703 at datamp.org

(not sure why he didn't put Lowell in there as a manufacturer... I'm sure he had a reason... )

I flipped your pic upside down of the car mover & enhanced it a little & you can clearly see Lowell Wrench Co.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I'm guessing again that Lowell must have thought they could make it better (probably so) or they just wanted to simply eliminate a competitor...

I don't know if SWACO was making any other tools, or any that overlapped with Lowell Wrench Co's line, and Lowell Wrench Co wasn't making a hopper car or car mover wrench before the acquisition, so I'm thinking it was just an easy market expansion.

On SWACO's locations...
I'm still not certain about the location of SWACO at the time Lowell acquired them. That acquisition notice you posted (post #136) indicates they were already located in Worcester, but I don't see any independent verification of that or any trade mag or ad citing their address in Worcester prior to the purchase. It's very clear that they had "moved" (or at the very least re-established their business address) from Philadelphia to 360 Worthington Street, Springfield, MA, prior to the acquisition by Lowell, at least as early as April 30, 1927. (Note that I had reported that move as "at least as early as 1928" earlier in the thread, but they turn up listed in Springfield in 1927 in this trade journal.) I'm starting to think they never moved the manufacturing. This 1928 trade journal lists the HQ as Springfield, MA, but the "plant" in Lancaster, PA. Their address in trade mags after the acquisition is listed as 52 Commercial Street. But that's conveniently right next to Lowell Wrench Co at 54 Commercial Street. Have to say, that seriously raises the question for me if Lowell ever really manufactured the wrench in Worcester. It's very clear they owned the company, kept the company name going, and considered the company a subsidiary and its product their product.

 

[four.cycle]

^ That image came from an online auction ad ... and I was/am a bit confused by all of it still ... the device itself was being advertised (and presumably sold) as "Swaco".
The name "Swaco" continued to appear in trade journals for that car-opener device, but lacking mention of a manufacturer. (see those two catalog pages I posted above.)
Not sure why Lowell wasn't included as "manufacturer" on the datamp.org page, Ben.... it's been months since I was in that rabbit hole.

I do recall that "IXL" was the cause of some confusion:
Gealy / Gealy Wrench & Mfg. Co., Grove City, PA / "IXL" safety care patent 802187 Oct 17 1905 & 1078426 Nov 11 1913 & 1244596 Oct 30 1917 George M. Gealy /

 

[AntiqueBen]

I don't know if SWACO was making any other tools, or any that overlapped with Lowell Wrench Co's line, and Lowell Wrench Co wasn't making a hopper car or car mover wrench before the acquisition, so I'm thinking it was just an easy market expansion.

On SWACO's locations...
I'm still not certain about the location of SWACO at the time Lowell acquired them. That acquisition notice you posted (post #136) indicates they were already located in Worcester, but I don't see any independent verification of that or any trade mag or ad citing their address in Worcester prior to the purchase. It's very clear that they had "moved" (or at the very least re-established their business address) from Philadelphia to 360 Worthington Street, Springfield, MA, prior to the acquisition by Lowell, at least as early as April 30, 1927. (Note that I had reported that move as "at least as early as 1928" earlier in the thread, but they turn up listed in Springfield in 1927 in this trade journal.) I'm starting to think they never moved the manufacturing. This 1928 trade journal lists the HQ as Springfield, MA, but the "plant" in Lancaster, PA. Their address in trade mags after the acquisition is listed as 52 Commercial Street. But that's conveniently right next to Lowell Wrench Co at 54 Commercial Street. Have to say, that seriously raises the question for me if Lowell ever really manufactured the wrench in Worcester. It's very clear they owned the company, kept the company name going, and considered the company a subsidiary and its product their product.

Very interesting. I never considered that Lowell may not have ever manufactured the wrench in Worcester. Are you suggesting that Swaco still manufactured the wrench in Lancaster PA even after Lowell acquired them in 1932?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Are you suggesting that Swaco still manufactured the wrench in Lancaster PA even after Lowell acquired them in 1932?

I am simply pointing out that all the evidence suggests that it is a distinct possibility. The wrench was still being made there, ostensibly as late as 1932 when Lowell acquired SWACO, despite SWACO's business address as Springfield, MA. Why would Lowell Wrench Co disrupt their own facilities, tooling, and operations, not to mention a successful production line, to move that line from the Philadelphia area to Worcester, MA when they could simply change the business address and reap all the same benefits? I know you're fond of Lowell, as am I, and I know you probably thought that this was a story of an OEM buying out their front office only type client, as did I, and if that was the case, nothing would be moved, they would've already been making it in Worcester. And that is a common story in vintage hand tools. But this is much different. This is more like a behemoth buying out a going niche concern and making it their subsidiary. Subsidiaries are usually left intact and in place. So it kind of all adds up, so far, to SWACO and Lowell in Worcester being the manufacturer and location in name only. Maybe further evidence will change that. I don't have a stake in it being one way or another.

EDIT: We tend to scrutinize trade mags and patents and mechanical features of tools when trying to recreate these timelines, but keep in mind, this acquisition did take place during the beginning of the Great Depression. The railroad industry was deeply affected, in general. I'm not sure if that means SWACO's business had dropped off, Lowell's, or both, and I'm also not sure how that would affect a decision to move a production line or not. Just another interesting factor.

 

[AntiqueBen]

I am simply pointing out that all the evidence suggests that it is a distinct possibility. The wrench was still being made there, ostensibly as late as 1932 when Lowell acquired SWACO, despite SWACO's business address as Springfield, MA. Why would Lowell Wrench Co disrupt their own facilities, tooling, and operations, not to mention a successful production line, to move that line from the Philadelphia area to Worcester, MA when they could simply change the business address and reap all the same benefits? I know you're fond of Lowell, as am I, and I know you probably thought that this was a story of an OEM buying out their front office only type client, as did I, and if that was the case, nothing would be moved, they would've already been making it in Worcester. And that is a common story in vintage hand tools. But this is much different. This is more like a behemoth buying out a going niche concern and making it their subsidiary. Subsidiaries are usually left intact and in place. So it kind of all adds up, so far, to SWACO and Lowell in Worcester being the manufacturer and location in name only. Maybe further evidence will change that. I don't have a stake in it being one way or another.

I would agree that Lowell isn't going to disrupt what is already successful for them. I'm sure it was easier & more cost effective to just acquire Swaco & let everything stay where it was.

 

[four.cycle]

^ When you toss Warnock into the mix the scenario @Private Lugnutz describes makes way more sense: subsidiaries left in situ for manufacturing, moved on paper for the accountants and tax man.

 

[Old Steamer]

I was gifted a rail car mover last fall, complete with a knuckle-buster guard. It belonged to an older gentleman I know who said he was tired of tripping over it in his shop.

New Badger #5 Advance Car Mover Appleton, Wisconsin.

 

[lilredex]

I have a hand-me-down crow bar that came from my grandfather, when he worked for the C.N.R. maybe a hundred years ago. My father always had it around when fencing, pinching things in place, etc, etc. Now it's mine for similar duties. I made sure it came with me when we cleared out our parent's home. Somebody engraved C.N.R. on the body in stick welding.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I have a hand-me-down crow bar...

Indeed, you do!

 

[AntiqueBen]

The Lowell Swaco Hopper Wrench showed up today. This thing is a monster. It weighs almost 30 lbs. It's 36" long & the ratchet head is 6" across. It was frozen, but I set up a jig on my big vise & used a little penetrating oil & broke it loose. Works great. I already got that little bit of yellow paint off of it. It has the classic Lowell "center" position on the lever that leaves the mechanism free spinning in this case. The huge pawls are exposed on each side. Pretty unique wrench.

 

[four.cycle]

SWACO hopper ratchet wrench at flickr.com (patent 1053703)

patent 1053703 Feb 18 1913 Charles E. Bonine at datamp.org

 

[Historyworker]

I picked this up at an auction a couple weeks ago. It was in a lot with some axes and sledges and described as a maul, which i was very pleased about because it was priced as a no-name weirdly short handled maul would be. After some careful examination, weighing, and measuring, I'm fairly certain I've got a Woodings Verona "Veronalloy" 1Q chisel, as found on page 20 of the Woodings Verona catalogue 16. I've not been able to find much else about it, none for sale anywhere, or recently sold, no post about them or even any actual pictures, just the sketch from the catalogue. So i felt it my responsibility to put it on the line(and i think its cool as hell and wanted to show it off) so that others may have something to reference.