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remagenman

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So here in the PNW it rains without saying, today we had a downpour and instead of draining properly I had a waterfall which coincidentally splashes into the garage.

The house has holes where the gutters drain into and today I saw that the drain hole was just being overworked by all the rain and spilling out. Apparently from an older neighbor he says they go into a weep field and no sewer line hence the overspill.

Anyhow, should I just add an extension so that it drains down? Easy answer is yes but then my backyard where my shed is will be swamped.

Or make a new exit leading away from my shed but then I have a gutter fitting in the way of my walking path?

Thanks for helping me spitball ideas.
 
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I'd add the extensions as a temporary measure. You need to get the water away from the house.

The yard should drain sooner or later.

Trouble shoot in the buried drain lines. If there is nowhere for a large amount of water to go, you will always have the problem.

Plan on runing the water somewhere else.
 

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Yep, we been getting downpours here in PNW. Sunny tomorrow though!

Possibly a silly question here, but do you know for sure the drain pipes or the pipe to gutter connections or drain lines aren't partially clogged? I used to do gutters, that was the biggest problem, When they're maxed out, the littlest amount or one big leaf would make them overflow like you described. But I may be misunderstanding.

If not then I would consider replacing your current downspouts with larger ones. Even if it's shallow, is there any way you can burry a larger drain pipe to the water's destination? My neighbor had an issue with pooling - swampy yard etc. He dug a hole, planted a 5o gal plastic barrel with a drain, and put a sump pump in it. When it fills that sump pump comes on and pipes it away to the street ditch. Works great! Except it flooded my shop and yard since we didn't have that kind of drainage. Once we dug a ditch of our own to counteract that, it worked great though. Good times.
 

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I once was hired to work on a similar problem for an apartment building.

I dug a trench and installed about 20 feet of pipe with holes in it all laying in a bed of gravel.

The rain water was carried away from the building and found it’s way into the subsoil.
 
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Yep, we been getting downpours here in PNW. Sunny tomorrow though!

Possibly a silly question here, but do you know for sure the drain pipes or the pipe to gutter connections or drain lines aren't partially clogged? I used to do gutters, that was the biggest problem, When they're maxed out, the littlest amount or one big leaf would make them overflow like you described. But I may be misunderstanding.

If not then I would consider replacing your current downspouts with larger ones. Even if it's shallow, is there any way you can burry a larger drain pipe to the water's destination? My neighbor had an issue with pooling - swampy yard etc. He dug a hole, planted a 5o gal plastic barrel with a drain, and put a sump pump in it. When it fills that sump pump comes on and pipes it away to the street ditch. Works great! Except it flooded my shop and yard since we didn't have that kind of drainage. Once we dug a ditch of our own to counteract that, it worked great though. Good times.
I dont know if they are clogged but the amount of tree needles in the gutter i'm sure its clogged then. Best trick/device to unclog? Unfortunately there is a concrete walkway at the corner where it goes into the ground. Maybe my shop vac and a long hose.
 

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The house has holes where the gutters drain into and today I saw that the drain hole was just being overworked by all the rain and spilling out. Apparently from an older neighbor he says they go into a weep field and no sewer line hence the overspill.
Anyhow, should I just add an extension so that it drains down? Easy answer is yes but then my backyard where my shed is will be swamped.
Or make a new exit leading away from my shed but then I have a gutter fitting in the way of my walking path?

I am not able to picture what you are describing here.
I'm in Tacoma. I not only deal with rain, but water coming up out of the ground everywhere here out in the north end.
Post a couple photos so we can see what you're dealing with.

Shop-Van reversed on "BLOW" can and will clear some drains in a hurry. Not always, unfortunately. I spent DAYS trying to clear out the french drain on the north side of the house and never did get it all cleared out... how can you jam 4-inch corrugated drain pipe?!?!?!?
 

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get up on a ladder and shine a flashlight down your downspout or take the downspout off and check it for clogs
 

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^ if they didn't get plugged up earlier today, they're not going to get plugged up.

I have to climb up on the roof tomorrow with the leaf blower and clear out one of the downspouts in front.

The french drain on the north side of the house backed up and overflowed into the neighbor's yard. (But I also have water coming in from the alley in back as well.)
 
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get up on a ladder and shine a flashlight down your downspout or take the downspout off and check it for clogs
Downspout is not attached to drain hole, just leads into it. The drain hole is at the corner bottom of the house, looks like a big pvc pipe leading into the ground and when it was raining the water was just spilling out of the sides because of the volume of rain going into it.

This guys pipe is similar to mine but adding an extension will just be in the way. I think I will dig an extension in the ground leading away from the house, i have a slight slope in the back so i'll make it come out there.

 
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^ I'm still not able to picture what you are describing. Photos would really help.
Sounds like you've got a drain pipe that's plugged, which is the problem I have on the north side - the 4-inch corrugated pipe we laid down is apparently blocked with something and the only "fix" is to start digging a 70-foot-long, 15-inch-deep trench to find it.

If you pump enough fir needles and the sand sloughing off your roof into a pipe, eventually it will plug up, which is exactly what I think the problem here is.

Is it possible to find the outlet end of that drain pipe to see what volume of water is coming out of it?
 

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I dont know if they are clogged but the amount of tree needles in the gutter i'm sure its clogged then. Best trick/device to unclog? Unfortunately there is a concrete walkway at the corner where it goes into the ground. Maybe my shop vac and a long hose.
A ********* ABS pipe is what you would typically have for a drain pipe. So your good there. If your downspout isn't connected to it, then once you fix this problem you'll want to get another piece of pipe or an extension to connect them better and have less spillage or debris getting inside. Best defense is a downspout screen at the top of your drain pipe inside the gutters. Sure, it'll eventually clog like everything else over time but it's a defense that you'll be able to clear out in seconds. It should easily stay clear between gutter cleanings or better part of the year - depending on your surrounding trees. I suggest using the plastic ones, metal rots quickly. Pic below.

Actual photos would be great. I'm with four.cycle. Havin a hard time picturing things. So it's hard to help effectively. For evergreen needles, a plumbing snake with the corkscrew end is most effective becasue those needles tend to weave themselves together im a jam, and that corkscrew will pul them apart and break it up quickly.

Best I can tell, it sounds like you have a plug somewhere. Those kind of pipes clog over time. All that dirt, debris etc etc goes down that pipe and low flow will allow it settle. As mentioned, gutters first, then remove that downspout pipe first along side of your house, check for a clog. If that clever tank vac trick doesn't work (in wet mode, not dry BTW), can you get ahold of a drain snake to clear it at either end? Be careful as those black ABS pipes can be brittle at the elbows and bends. Take your time, go slow. it'll be messy but keep water flowing while you do it.

On the cheap end, you could use brass hose jet cone end with the water on full blast and a small cone nozzle, snaking it down your pipe. I'd suggest lightly taping around the thread connector to smooth our any edges that might get hung up on anything - makes life easier. In a pinch I've had great success with that, but this could also compact a clog if not done carefully and gently. If you can, start at the end destination first - where the water ends up.

Critters do like those pipes as underground pre-dug tunnels. Rats and chipmunk squirrels will sometimes nest in them. Once you get it unclogged (if that's the issue) maybe place a drain screen over the pipe end? I've had chipmunks nest inside of my fence post pipes that didn't have the top dome caps on them. Crazy lil' buggerz!
 

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^ exactomundo.

All you described above is what I attempted last spring: screwing on one of those high-pressure nozzles and snaking it down the drain pipe.
I figured I got about 15-18 feet of hose jammed into the hole, and it would not go farther, so I am assuming there's some sort of obstruction there and I just couldn't get enough water pressure to blow it out.
I'm hesitant about "snake", because I laid that pipe in myself and I know that it is anything but straight and level, and it's been in the ground since June 2005.

My sister's house has those funny "screen" things at the tops of the downspouts. The house has a flat roof. (In Western Washington - doesn't get much more stupid than that.) They get all jammed full of **** because the neighborhood is populated with Douglas Fir and Big-Leaf Maple (Acer Macrophyllum).

The outlet end of mine (shown above in one of the photos) dumps under the juniper hedge in front. I had originally installed a cap on the end of it, with a mess of 1/4" holes drilled in it, but when I dug it up last spring the roots of the juniper had worked their way six feet up the pipe, so I left it open and exposed like you see it.
 

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If you want to learn a few things about drainage, this guy is pretty good:

 

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^ exactomundo.

All you described above is what I attempted last spring: screwing on one of those high-pressure nozzles and snaking it down the drain pipe.
I figured I got about 15-18 feet of hose jammed into the hole, and it would not go farther, so I am assuming there's some sort of obstruction there and I just couldn't get enough water pressure to blow it out.
I'm hesitant about "snake", because I laid that pipe in myself and I know that it is anything but straight and level, and it's been in the ground since June 2005.

My sister's house has those funny "screen" things at the tops of the downspouts. The house has a flat roof. (In Western Washington - doesn't get much more stupid than that.) They get all jammed full of **** because the neighborhood is populated with Douglas Fir and Big-Leaf Maple (Acer Macrophyllum).

The outlet end of mine (shown above in one of the photos) dumps under the juniper hedge in front. I had originally installed a cap on the end of it, with a mess of 1/4" holes drilled in it, but when I dug it up last spring the roots of the juniper had worked their way six feet up the pipe, so I left it open and exposed like you see it.

If there was no debris and it felt solid, perhaps mark that spot on the hose, pull it out and measure it. Then use that measurement to locate the pipe clog and dig for it and see what's going on in that spot even if it means cutting the pipe. A patch is easy and cheaper than a plumber. Just a thought! Providing there's no concrete and you know the general route of the pipe is?

If the obstruction feels solid and hard, it's always possible the pipe was collapsed, crushed or roots did some fun stuff. If the pipe had some sag. that could've eventually filled up with soil deposits. Man, that ribbed drain field type pipe is the worst about clogging. When installing a gutter drain system, I avoid it whenever possible by using ABS Sewer Pipe or PVC (smooth inner walls) instead. Costs more, but there's really no comparison to how dependable and effective it is.

I had a flat roof once, it sucked. Fir & Big Leaf Maple's a lethal combo. Ha! Those funny drain things are meant to be cleared out, so your pipes don't have to be. I'm surrounded by trees and clean mine twice a year, at most. I guess I'm lucky, I haven't had a clogged pipe or drain in 39 yrs. (knock on wood!) ****, I'm probably will now since I said that though,.. dangitt. Ha!

If it's not perforated pipe then a snake shouldn't hurt it. Use the correct tip + common sense. Even if it's perfed, you can still do it with a snake if you stay aware of snags by feel. Dips and curves won't make a difference when it's spinning, it's sort of self guiding and not all about thrust. Unless you know something I don't, the pipe won't be fragile to the point of falling apart or anything. Underground ABS last more than 50 + yrs - conditions vary. It's the part that's exposed to sunlight that gets the most brittle. If you call a pro, a rotating plumbers snake drain is what they'll most likely use unless they run a camera up it first.

I like the measure and dig idea myself, more hands on.
 

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^ That seemed to be the only option in this case, but I simply ran out of time over the summer to deal with it. Your mentioning "dip" causes me to think that's probably exactly what happened.
The contractors were here doing the rehab on the yard - and I only had a 24-hour time window to get the trenches dug for the drains before they came back the next day and filled it all back in. Probably ... 200+ feet of trench 18" deep, and on the south side I had to tunnel under a concrete pad. Needless to say I was in something of a hurry - straight and level were secondary to "get it done". I had a shovel and a tiny skinny girlfriend to help. I think I was in better shape then.

My brother-in-law is four years older than me, and my sister would prefer he not climb up on the roof clearing drains. Generally that task befalls me. So lucky to be the chosen one. ;)
 

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^ That seemed to be the only option in this case, but I simply ran out of time over the summer to deal with it. Your mentioning "dip" causes me to think that's probably exactly what happened.
The contractors were here doing the rehab on the yard - and I only had a 24-hour time window to get the trenches dug for the drains before they came back the next day and filled it all back in. Probably ... 200+ feet of trench 18" deep, and on the south side I had to tunnel under a concrete pad. Needless to say I was in something of a hurry - straight and level were secondary to "get it done". I had a shovel and a tiny skinny girlfriend to help. I think I was in better shape then.

My brother-in-law is four years older than me, and my sister would prefer he not climb up on the roof clearing drains. Generally that task befalls me. So lucky to be the chosen one. ;)
Dang, 200ft's quite a run of drain pipe to lay in one day! Makes me back hurt thinking about it.

Drain screen: You're a nice guy to do that, hope your sister and her boyfriend appreciate it.

Hey. we do what we we gotta do and we learn in hind sight, right? Experience is gained from the success,.. and the not so successful. I've done lots of stuff that I wish I could re-do, but live-n-learn. If you were closer, I'd offer to do it for yuh with my equipment. Meh, just becasue I believe in good karma! But too far away for me, here on the Westside. Well good luck, hope you gitter done.
 

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^ I was in WAY better shape a while back.
Yeah.. we dug the hell out of some ditch that day. It was really hot out. Ugh!
Not so fast any more.

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As far as I'm concerned that black plastic corrugated pipe is a big waste of money, I've seen people put in big money systems wrapping around the home and less than a year later they quit working, the failure rate is very high.

Most people can squeeze it with their fingers, it tends to collapse but it also fills with dirt. Some of it has drainage holes but they do the opposite and the pipe fills with dirt until it's clogged.

Luckily you don't have it draining into a basement, I'd put extensions on the downspouts for now and then do like the others have said, 6" diameter solid bore PVC pipe. I'd also upgrade to 3"x5" downspouts if you currently have the smaller versions.
 

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Black corrugated pipe is fine, it has limitations just like solid pipe, you have to use both correctly.
 
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