adamsredlines
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Tried taking this apart to clean it and its not going well...cant get the mechanism out and afew small parts have come out of the selector hole.
Ratchet experts...HELP! Bonney repair
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adamsredlines
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The snapring is removed
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1984Datsun
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Uh oh... that does not look like an easy ratchet to take apart... 
Can you post pics of the parts that fell out of the selector hole? (and a couple of pictures of the selector, please)
I might be able to help you get it back together if I can see what the other parts look like.
I think I can tell you how to get it apart...
Here's what I think you gotta do...
Just don't lose anything though... I lost a spring and a retaining ball in one of my Craftsman ratchets... no idea where the heck they went... so... I suggest further disassembly be done in a plastic bag, just in case something in there is wants to pop itself into the darkest corner of your garage...
I think I see you got the clip out now... hmm...
if the selector was a detent type, there would be a spring and a retaining ball in the hole, at the bottom of said hole... which is where the top of the handle starts.
Can you post pics of the parts that fell out of the selector hole? (and a couple of pictures of the selector, please)
I might be able to help you get it back together if I can see what the other parts look like.
I think I can tell you how to get it apart...
Here's what I think you gotta do...
Just don't lose anything though... I lost a spring and a retaining ball in one of my Craftsman ratchets... no idea where the heck they went... so... I suggest further disassembly be done in a plastic bag, just in case something in there is wants to pop itself into the darkest corner of your garage...
I think I see you got the clip out now... hmm...
if the selector was a detent type, there would be a spring and a retaining ball in the hole, at the bottom of said hole... which is where the top of the handle starts.
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With the clip removed, nothing but friction/corrosion can be holding the guts in, barring some foreign object being jammed in there. I vote for lubing it up via an ATF soak, or even just blasting it with some PB and then rapping it from the top-side with a soft-faced hammer or piece of wood. The advice about disassembling inside a plastic bag is sound.
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adamsredlines
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So the selector faces down obviously...and there's a little hole that goes into the handle that is concentric to the handle for the spring and detent ball which rides on the selector shaft. On the top of the selector shaft is a tiny (diameter) spring thats kinda long that goes up into the mechanism...which also came out through the selector hole. I can pull the mechanism forward until the metal plate is flush with the outer lip of the ratchet, but it wont come out any further...its bizarre and I really dont want to break something as its a Mopar ratchet that I just got for my collection. I shoulda just left the friggin thing alone, but now that I'm in this spot I'm trying my best to get it back together functionally.
Tool Pants
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That is a tricky style ratchet to take apart. You do not remove the selector first or you will bend a very small diameter spring that connects the selector to the pawl.
You can see from my pics that I did just that. When I bought the ratchet at the flea the selector was missing the clip that prevents you from pulling the selector out. I did not know better and tried to pull the selector out and bent the spring. As I tired to pull the selector out I figured out something was keeping it in place, so I stopped.
In one of the pics you can see a clip for the selector. I bought that clip from a hardware store, after I realized it was missing.
There is another (larger diameter but shorter) spring and ball, so that the selector is held in position when you move it. That spring has nothing to do with the spring that connects the selector to the pawl.
Since you have removed the selector but not the gear, you must have damaged or broke the spring that connects the selector to the pawl. Show me some pictures of what you were able to remove so far.
The gear is held on with a snap ring and a plate. You say you have already removed the snap ring. Clamp the head in a vise. Use Vise-Grips on the square drive and pull up. The plate is a very tight fit. This was Bonneys attempt to make a "sealed" ratchet like Snap-On.
In short, on that style ratchet. You do not try to remove the selector first or you will damage the small diameter spring that connects it to the pawl. I call this a "floating pawl" design. The Craftsman thin profile uses this design, and I believe the Snap-On dual 80.
You can see from my pics that I did just that. When I bought the ratchet at the flea the selector was missing the clip that prevents you from pulling the selector out. I did not know better and tried to pull the selector out and bent the spring. As I tired to pull the selector out I figured out something was keeping it in place, so I stopped.
In one of the pics you can see a clip for the selector. I bought that clip from a hardware store, after I realized it was missing.
There is another (larger diameter but shorter) spring and ball, so that the selector is held in position when you move it. That spring has nothing to do with the spring that connects the selector to the pawl.
Since you have removed the selector but not the gear, you must have damaged or broke the spring that connects the selector to the pawl. Show me some pictures of what you were able to remove so far.
The gear is held on with a snap ring and a plate. You say you have already removed the snap ring. Clamp the head in a vise. Use Vise-Grips on the square drive and pull up. The plate is a very tight fit. This was Bonneys attempt to make a "sealed" ratchet like Snap-On.
In short, on that style ratchet. You do not try to remove the selector first or you will damage the small diameter spring that connects it to the pawl. I call this a "floating pawl" design. The Craftsman thin profile uses this design, and I believe the Snap-On dual 80.
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Woohoo we got it
Tool Pants
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Now you need to get the drive gear out, since the snap ring has been removed.
The clip for the selector is broken in your pic. When I bought my ratchet it was missing, so that is why I tried to pull the selector out as I did not know there should have been a clip. I was able to find that very small clip at a hardware store.
Because you were able to pull the selector out it looks like the very small diameter spring to the pawl was damaged. I am rather suprised you were able to remove the selector without more damage to the spring, as you should not remove it until until the gear and pawl have first been removed.
The clip for the selector is broken in your pic. When I bought my ratchet it was missing, so that is why I tried to pull the selector out as I did not know there should have been a clip. I was able to find that very small clip at a hardware store.
Because you were able to pull the selector out it looks like the very small diameter spring to the pawl was damaged. I am rather suprised you were able to remove the selector without more damage to the spring, as you should not remove it until until the gear and pawl have first been removed.
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adamsredlines
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The long small diameter spring is broken, I assume I should be able to track one down somewhere. And the retaining ring for the selector didnt last any time once I put the snapring pliers on it...but that too should be a fairly straight forward find I assume.
You're not kidding about a tight fit...it took quite a while to wiggle that thing out of there and we finally got a tiny gap on the bottom side and a small screwdriver popped it right out. All that to clean out this ratchet and grease it...and its virtually spotless inside. Shoulda left well enough alone but now i know haha. Thanks for the help folks!
Anybody know a good source for the spring before I start trying to track down a generic one of the same dimension/style?
You're not kidding about a tight fit...it took quite a while to wiggle that thing out of there and we finally got a tiny gap on the bottom side and a small screwdriver popped it right out. All that to clean out this ratchet and grease it...and its virtually spotless inside. Shoulda left well enough alone but now i know haha. Thanks for the help folks!
Anybody know a good source for the spring before I start trying to track down a generic one of the same dimension/style?
Tool Pants
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I do not know a source for that spring. Mine was bent from trying to pull the selector out. I used a pin as a splint and fixed the spring. The pin is small enough that it permits the spring to still flex.
As you can see from the last pic that spring connects the selector to the pawl. You had problems pulling out the selector becase part of the spring was in the hole in the selector. I am amazed you were able to get the selector out with the spring still in place. I pulled up on the selector and could tell there was still something inside preventing me from removing it. So I stopped. Once I got the gear and pawl out I figured it out. I would not have been able to pull the selector up if the clip was not missing.
The selector clip should not be hard to find. Remember I had no clip. I took the selector to the local hardware store and found one that fit. The clip is very small and kind of a pain to put in. I used some very fine wire on each end of the ears to spread it open.
It is an interesting design. Usually the pawl and selector are attached to each other. But with this design it is via a spring. It is not a true spring because it does not compress or expand, but is a flexible link between the pawl and selector. It is called a helical coil spring in the patent.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=AH...ook_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA
As you can see from the last pic that spring connects the selector to the pawl. You had problems pulling out the selector becase part of the spring was in the hole in the selector. I am amazed you were able to get the selector out with the spring still in place. I pulled up on the selector and could tell there was still something inside preventing me from removing it. So I stopped. Once I got the gear and pawl out I figured it out. I would not have been able to pull the selector up if the clip was not missing.
The selector clip should not be hard to find. Remember I had no clip. I took the selector to the local hardware store and found one that fit. The clip is very small and kind of a pain to put in. I used some very fine wire on each end of the ears to spread it open.
It is an interesting design. Usually the pawl and selector are attached to each other. But with this design it is via a spring. It is not a true spring because it does not compress or expand, but is a flexible link between the pawl and selector. It is called a helical coil spring in the patent.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=AH...ook_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA
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WastedAgain440
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If you can track down a spring for this ratchet, can you post the part # or measurements of the spring? I have the same ratchet and I believe someone had it apart before and lost the spring, so I have nothing to go by in replacing it. Thanks
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adamsredlines
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Will do.
lauver
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Gang,
Regarding the small diameter spring: BIC disposable lighters have a long skinny spring under the flint and striker wheel. I have had good luck adapting these small diameter springs to fit many ratchets. I don't know if this is small enough to fit the Bonney selector, but it's worth a try and costs nothing but your time.
Good luck...
Regarding the small diameter spring: BIC disposable lighters have a long skinny spring under the flint and striker wheel. I have had good luck adapting these small diameter springs to fit many ratchets. I don't know if this is small enough to fit the Bonney selector, but it's worth a try and costs nothing but your time.
Good luck...
cruiser808
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A big mahalo (thank you) goes out to adamsredlines and tool pants for creating and providing the information on this thread. I have the same ratchet and probably would have screwed up taking it apart if I wanted to clean and lube it. Now armed with the information and pics on the thread, all of us GJ folks now know how to take these ratchets apart safely. Thanks guys. 
A big mahalo (thank you) goes out to adamsredlines and tool pants for creating and providing the information on this thread. I have the same ratchet and probably would have screwed up taking it apart if I wanted to clean and lube it. Now armed with the information and pics on the thread, all of us GJ folks now know how to take these ratchets apart safely. Thanks guys.
with all of the info garnered in this thread. i am now positive mine will stay just the way it is barring any catastophic failure.
lauver
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Tool Pants,
You might want to post your comments and photos on Bonneymans ratchet thread over at papaws wrench. This is an unusual design and troublesome rebuild. Awsome info...You da ratchet man!
You might want to post your comments and photos on Bonneymans ratchet thread over at papaws wrench. This is an unusual design and troublesome rebuild. Awsome info...You da ratchet man!
cruiser808
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I hope all of you had a great Thanksgiving Day. I have to say I was mistaken when I said earlier that I had the same Bonney ratchet as the OP and Tool Pants. I thought it was, but when I pulled it out, it is an earlier or later model; I don't know. That said, the internal parts appear very similar and taking it apart looks the same. Anyway, here are the pics of my ratchet. It's a very fine toothed ratchet and is very comfortable to hold. Kind of like the old Blue Point and Par-X handles. If anyone knows more about this old timer, I'd sure like to hear about it.
http://garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=152879&stc=1&d=1322333349
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jc4635
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Absolutely Bic lighter, especially Bic short stick disposable lighter.
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