helterskelter
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When you saying foundry and molds you make me think castings. You're talking forges and forging dies right?
Ratchet Tech open end ratcheting wrench
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theamcguy
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Anybody selling either the Ratchet Tech or Gear Wrench sets yet?
JDS968
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I would not pay a premium for a Czech or Spanish tool over a Taiwanese tool, but I would pay a premium for a Taiwanese tool over a Chinese tool.
I understand that manufacturing in China is all about strict engineering specifications and close supervision, and if done right, can result in a quality product. Still, I just believe that it is more likely to go right in Taiwan than China.
You mean you've put two open ends on the same hex-shaped fastener (or at least put a Snap-On regular open end on a hex head that is completely incapable of turning) and it didn't deform the corners at all? And how much force did you use? I think the point is that eventually, SOMETHING is going to deform, and since it's likely not the tool, it's going to be the fastener...which will happen at the contact points, and a normal open end contacts only at two corners, even the Snap-On.
JDS968
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Since I have the patience of an 8 year old (none) I'm just going to ask instead of waiting for you to get the Kickstarter thing up: If I put money into the Kickstarter project, will I be able to apply that as a credit directly to a purchase of the Ratchet Tech wrenches when they are available? What do you plan on pricing the 7 piece metric set at? And how much longer after introduction do you think it will be to get a 12-piece 8mm-19mm set on the market?
I know what it is like to have to be on the defensive on a forum, everyone is ultimately skeptical until they try something themselves. That said you guys show the kobalt wrench spread and round the fastener before yours shears it. All this proves is that yours is better than a bottom of the barrel wrench.
You really must test this another way.
Put the hex stock in a rigid mounted vise. Attach a snap on open wrench on the hex and use a 4' cheater pipe and a fish scale to slowly apply a measurable torque. Then do this with your tool. If it would fare even 85% as well as the snap on I would be impressed enough to buy a set.
I would never buy kobalt and blew off the test the second I saw it in the video.
You really must test this another way.
Put the hex stock in a rigid mounted vise. Attach a snap on open wrench on the hex and use a 4' cheater pipe and a fish scale to slowly apply a measurable torque. Then do this with your tool. If it would fare even 85% as well as the snap on I would be impressed enough to buy a set.
I would never buy kobalt and blew off the test the second I saw it in the video.
shoturtle
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To be fair, conventional wrenches will round the edges off any standard fastener with that much torque place on. There is most likely more then 350ft/lb of torque on that 11/16 fastener.
The test did show the advantage of flank drive.
The test did show the advantage of flank drive.
No, he means moulds. Snap-on and every highend company uses moulds as well. They just heat up a rod of steel, then a giant press stamps it in the mould, then the excess metal gets cut off. Then it get's heat treated... (forged)
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helterskelter
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I work almost exclusively in forgings (aerospace), so I am reasonably familiar with the process. I'm just used to the terminology of forging die, never heard of a forging mould. When I hear mould, I think pouring castings or injection molding.
helterskelter
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I guess the whole point of my post was these parts are forged, NOT cast? Correct?
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Hi JD,
Thanks for the interest! We will have different levels of rewards. We are going to have an amazingly cool polished stainless steel key ring, with Gene Winfields signature on one side, and an engraving of one one of several (your choice) of his iconic creations on the other. Gene was our neighbor in Mojave, and is a good friend. We will also have a key ring from Mercury Charlie from Austin. They will be 25 bucks. We will also offer either a set of SAE (3/8, 7/16, 1/2, 9/16, 5/8, 11/16, and 3/4) or metric (10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 17, 19) for $85 plus shipping, or both for $160, or 5 and 5 for $750. Here is a link to a mock-up of the Kickstarter project.
http://www.ratchetech.com/kickstarter
If we are able to have a successful Kickstarter, we will be able to bring you the 7 piece set by the end of the year, and the 12 piece set very soon after.
We are trying to get some buzz started before the project begins. Please tell your buddies!
Thanks
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RT wrenches are quite interesting and perhaps it can be useful to the average craftsman. But if Ratchet Tech wrenches are going to be made in China, I would rather invest in GearWrench. Plus, GW's line is in chrome. I don't see myself owning Ratchet Tech tools.
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I'm not much for gimmick type tools but the design on this wrench does look more viable to me then some other open end ratcheting type wrenches I've seen on this board recently.Ill probably pick up a set in metric at least to test em on the job,when the option becomes available.
JDS968
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Tell you what...if that's all you include for the project, I'll put up the $85 for a 7-piece metric set...but if you'll add the price of a 12-piece 8mm-19mm metric set to the Kickstarter project, I'd be happy to put that much money up and wait a little longer for that set to be available.
You can put me down for the 7 piece Metric set for now. Like the guy above, I'm willing to put the money in before for the kickstarter to help out. Shoot, if I had the money I would pay for starting production to get things started, for a percentage of the company or to be paid back with interest, mainly because I have faith in this product, but you are going to need more/better advertisement.
One thing you could do to help with advertisement and to spread the word, is send me a wrench or two with the board with hoses and fitting from the first video and I'll go around (for free, basically for the wrench cost) and show it to everyone I know, and demonstrate and explain it's use. I have worked at several shops and dealerships, and know a bunch of people that own shops and I am friend with a few snap-on dealers so they could definitely spread the word.
So you send me a wrench, I demonstrate how it works to every person I know,
And I don't want a penny for it. I just know a lot of people could use and would be interested in these.
One thing you could do to help with advertisement and to spread the word, is send me a wrench or two with the board with hoses and fitting from the first video and I'll go around (for free, basically for the wrench cost) and show it to everyone I know, and demonstrate and explain it's use. I have worked at several shops and dealerships, and know a bunch of people that own shops and I am friend with a few snap-on dealers so they could definitely spread the word.
So you send me a wrench, I demonstrate how it works to every person I know,
And I don't want a penny for it. I just know a lot of people could use and would be interested in these.
I geuss since none has asked yet I suppose I will.If we put in money for the kickstart and you don't meet what you need for startup costs,do we at least get our money back or does this investment entail some risk?no offense but I've seen scams that operate like this before.I mean really all I've seen is one wrench and a couple videos shot in some guys garage,not like you'd be out a lot by just pocketing all this kickstart money.
I doubt it's a scam. I posted the videos in this thread, he just happened to join when he found this thread on google. And we were the one's mentioning putting up money for the kickstart, he never asked about or mentioned taking our money.. Just sayin..
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I too would be willing to throwbin for the kickstart but would rather pay the extra bit for the 12 PC and wait a little longer for that. Is that a possibility or is it the 7 PC only
What happens to the money if the business doesn't get off the ground,businesses fail to get off the ground everyday...just sayin.
So you totally believe he had no business plan whatsoever to gather the money to get going until we gave em the idea huh? Ya ok.its called gathering investors you can get a few with alot of money or hundreds with just a little money,but its still the same.You for some reason assume you're guaranteed some wrenches just because you put in 85 bucks.My question is valid...what happens to the money if the venture fails?
And obviously my question isn't directed at you.
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JDS968
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My understanding is that Kickstarter registers a list of people who promise money...if the total reaches his goal within a certain time limit, we all get charged through Amazon or something. If the project doesn't meet its goal within the time limit, we're never charged anything. This all assumes that the amount of money he set as a goal is enough to get his project off the ground...in this case, I imagine that would be the money required to start production. Whether the business survives past the first production run is up to the market, but at least we'd probably get access to that first production run, so we'd probably get something, if he meets his goal, and if he doesn't then we're out nothing. Of course, this all assumes that he doesn't just take the money and walk away, but my scam-o-meter isn't going off here.
Why would you produce a smaller set that includes a nearly useless 11mm and skips a widely used 12mm? I'd suggest leaving the 11, 18, 19mm for the completists and producing a 10,12-17 as a smaller set. That will offer people the basics for the most common fasteners regardless of what make/model they work on.
He may have ulterior motives, we don't know that, but like I said, he never once mentioned wanting money from ANYONE one here, people here offered to throw in money. So you can't go and say he is here to get our money.
And this is my thread, so I can answer anyone's question I want
Agreed, definately. It NEEDS a 10mm, 12mm, and 14mm at least.
JDS968
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I can see how you might not see 11mm and 18mm often (I turn them all the time, 18mm is a staple for me, particularly on suspension bits), but 19mm? Is there anybody out there who doesn't turn 19s?
He may have ulterior motives, we don't know that, but like I said, he never once mentioned wanting money from ANYONE one here, people here offered to throw in money. So you can't go and say he is here to get our money.
And this is my thread, so I can answer anyone's question I want
I'm not saying he has an ulterior motive,I'm simply asking if there is some kind of refund policy for my investment.And you can't answer my question because you don't know the answer.Just because you started this thread does not make you the official ratchet tech wrench spokesman.Again my question is directed at ratchet tech.
Think about it from a wrench standpoint, how often are you using a ratcheting wrench on a 19 vs a socket? Besides his smaller set didnt have that anyway. Asian vehicles are literally held together with mostly 12s and 14s so it seems rather dense to skip the 12 but include the far more rare 11. Im guessing he got his sizes from a Craftsman set
.Im not saying not to offer a 11, 18, or 19, just that if you're going to make a smaller set of "the basics" those are the ones i'd exclude, if any.
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JDS968
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I use a fixed or ratcheting box end on 18mm and 19mm pretty often...now even if I had a RatchetTech, would I ever grab it in any of those common applications? Don't know yet, but I'd sure like to find out.
shoturtle
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I would consider a set if it was 8-19mm, I hate skipping. And 18 is way mor usesfull then 16.
Shadowdog500
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I hope his works out for you. Ive seen similar wrenches over the years that fail or under load.
Ive seen your video comparing it to a regular wrench but think it would be good to somehow put your wrench on a torque wrench calibrator or set up a torque wrench to show just how hard you are turning the wrench.
Chris
Ive seen your video comparing it to a regular wrench but think it would be good to somehow put your wrench on a torque wrench calibrator or set up a torque wrench to show just how hard you are turning the wrench.
Chris
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Hi JD,
You summarized the Kickstarter program nicely. It is a way to generate capital without getting owned by a venture capitalist (the money guys don't want to talk to us anyway, because we are not into software, or something like Facebook etc...). Kickstarter is a grass-roots way to try to let the little guy make it, which is getting almost impossible these days. Visit the Kickstarter site and look at some of the projects. Many are donated to by people who get nothing in return but the satisfaction that they participated in the project. We want to offer you value for your money. We fully intend to fulfill our end of the bargain or die trying. You are dealing with an obsessed group of people here. We are pretty feisty, and are looking forward to going head-to-head with the big guys. We know we have the best open-end ratchet on the market. Thank you guys so much for your interest.