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Looked through tons of threads and I know suppliers change over the year - my questions

IS the Snap-On top level?

Then is it Matco, Icon, Carlyle?

Lowest GearWrench, and all the autoshop, Walmart, different cheap rebrands?
 
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To me it depends on the design of the box end, how durable it is, and how it feels. For budget options it's your made in China Apex tool group ratcheting wrenches under their various brand names plus other cheap options like Harbor Freight. They are not the prettiest wrenches out there but they generally get the job done. Then comes your more expensive options like the Blue Point ones. This is where I would look at whether or not the box end is designed to be rebuildable. Beyond that I wouldn't be spending extra money because of brand or COO.
 
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I'd go with gear wrench unless you just have money to burn and want to pay 1300 dollars for a full set of SAE and Metric snap on branded wrenches. If you frequent the wrecking yard and need a disposable set then harbor freight has some colored ones that you can hammer on and feel no guilt about smashing a 3 dollar ratchet wrench.
 

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I have a few sets of the GearWrench ones. They are absolute garbage when compared to my BluePoints but they still get the job done on a day to day basis. I have had to warranty a few of the smaller ones from stripping out or locking up, but that is probably more due to the way I was using them. Lifetime warranty-I send it back with my Napa delivery guy and I have a new one the next day. The open end part of the GearWrench is comical at best. Basically worthless.
 

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USA Proto are great. Taiwan Proto are nice as well.
I still have my set of rarely used USA Proto SAE but replaced the metrics with SO. The boxy beams on the Protos isn't particularly comfortable and they're shorter than SO. The Protos are spline, which doesn't really bother me, and both the ratcheting and open ends are a little larger/thicker than SO. Backdrag on the Protos is higher, also.

GW, Apex, and similar (which I've had) aren't even in the same league. I haven't tried Williams or Blue Point (yet).
 

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The lower tooth count GearWrench ones work well. We have several at work that survived hammers and abuse.
The 120XP are garbage. All of those broke in the first month.

I also have a set of Husky ones that are workable. I do not like them as much as my GW.
Make sure you get the flexible head models, they save a lot of time on certain jobs.
 

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What brands are rebuildable?
If that an important point then the snapon is a very good engineering effort balanced against being rebuildable .
Facom are particularly nice ratchet wrenches in general use and to me deserve a podium position.
Good options rebuildable are limited and more so in terms of likely easy long term sourcing of rebuild kits/parts .
One of main advantages of rebuildable is cleaning as generally that mainly what leads to final failure under load (either worn down teeth engagement or crud stopping full depth engagement and it slips.
During one odm durability testing (this odm done contracts with snapon and facom) it was stated excesive ratcheting and wear from tooth drag and debris build up was main cause of eventual failure over just high torque loading use .
 

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I’ve always been disappointed in the ratcheting wrenches I’ve either bought or used.

GearWrench’s nowadays have the lobster claw design and are poorly made. I would take a hard look at them before pulling the trigger.

If you have access to a MAC truck or eBay, the Expert line are by far the best I’ve seen and used in form and function. I’ve enjoyed using them so far and wouldn’t replace them.
 

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Looked through tons of threads and I know suppliers change over the year - my questions

IS the Snap-On top level?

Then is it Matco, Icon, Carlyle?

Lowest GearWrench, and all the autoshop, Walmart, different cheap rebrands?
This is really impossible to answer largely because, Matco doesn't make anything but, toolboxes :lol: In the early days of modern fine toothed ratcheting wrenches, MATCO's Proswing series were probably the best ratcheting wrenches made. Then the Armstrong factory closed. MATCO sourced their ratcheting wrenches from KABO. KABO probably makes some of the best ratcheting wrenches on the market. Wrench designs changed over the years going from 12 point boxed ends to spline, and ratcheting actions from 72 teeth to 90 or more teeth.
Additionally, there isn't a Carlyle, Icon, or fill in the blank tool company for many brands. The wrenches are sourced from various suppliers like Kabo, Infar, High Five, SATA, or other manufacturers. Although difficult to tell with some versions, I think it's important to determine who the OEM of the wrench set is, rather than the brand name that's on the wrench.
Another factor in determining a pecking order of quality, is the shear number of types, versions, and models. You'd have to compare apples to apples and not mix features. To me the Taiwan made USAG/Facom/Expert/Dewalt/MAC/PROTO wrenches are pretty sweet. I tend to favor the Proto/Dewalt/Expert reversible combination wrenches myself. The older longer pattern Dewalts with the anti slip open ends are very good but, sadly no longer made. My favorite ratcheting wrench of all time, continues to be the Armstrong/Matco proswing model with a 12 point zero offset, 72 tooth ratcheting boxed end on one side, with a 15 degree offset fixed 12 point boxed end on the other side in standard length. :beer:
 
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I've got a full set of the older mastercraft ones that were gearwrench made as far as I know, never had an issue. Thing is though, you can't treat them like a 1/2" breaker bar on a socket...they're more like 1/4" drive ratchets, so don't push the issue and you won't break them like the people up above. If I need some torque I grab a regular box end wrench first to break it free, then swap to the ratcheting for faster removal.
 

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I’ll throw out a vote for Blue Point double box reversible ratcheting wrenches. Snap On has the only ratcheting wrenches I’ve handled with acceptable open ends but their ratcheting end is, in my opinion, inferior to the Blue Point. BP wrenches can be disassembled for lubing but I’ve never checked to see if replacement parts are available.

The double box setup is nice because it’s cheaper for a set and most ratchet wrench open ends are too weak to use. I know they’re more expensive than GW and are still made in Taiwan, but when it was time for my cash to go somewhere, I bought the Blue Point.
 

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I have the Amstrong box ratcheting wrenches Fed is talking about in both SAE and Metric (two sets in Metric, one still new in the box I am keeping as backups), wonderful wrenches. I also have the Armstrong regular reversible ratcheting in both SAE and Metric and well as Gearwrench (older Taiwan versions) in both SAE and Metric, and a few Blackhawk in Metric to fill in gaps in the Gearwrench set. Have the Gearwrench flex-head (non-reversible version) ratcheting wrenches in both SAE and Metric, these come in handy. Have Armstrong (non-reversible) stubbys in Metric, Gearwrench (non reversible) in SAE and Metric stubbys, and Husky Pro (gearwrench clones) reversible type in SAE and Metric, the Husky set skips some sizes which I filled in with Stanley versions. And finally Gearwrench regular ratcheting wrenches non-reversible type with no offset in SAE and two types in Metric, one is a longer version (XL).

All have their specific uses. Some I bought years ago and some were bought on clearance sales. I really like the Armstong ratcheting wrenches over the GW in both quality and function. I would not recommend anyone buy the Armstongs and expect a warranty from Apex Group, you will likely get GW as replacements. I don't miss threat my Armstrong ratcheting wrenches and they will probably out last me, now the GW I miss threat them and so far no failures but I don't beat on them with a hammer but do occasionally break fasteners loose with the GW ones.
 

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I've got a full set of the older mastercraft ones that were gearwrench made as far as I know, never had an issue. Thing is though, you can't treat them like a 1/2" breaker bar on a socket...they're more like 1/4" drive ratchets, so don't push the issue and you won't break them like the people up above. If I need some torque I grab a regular box end wrench first to break it free, then swap to the ratcheting for faster removal.
Exactly what I was going to say, you just said it better than me.
 

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I wonder what the Tekton ratcheting wrenches are like.

I know they’ve been out of stock for months but does anyone have any experience with them?
 

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My Tekton are bulkier than my Gearwrench. If I was using them professionally, I wouldn't recommend either. Gearwrench feel cheesy and cheap and the reversable Tekton's seem bulky.
 
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This is really impossible to answer largely because, Matco doesn't make anything but, toolboxes :lol: In the early days of modern fine toothed ratcheting wrenches, MATCO's Proswing series were probably the best ratcheting wrenches made. Then the Armstrong factory closed. MATCO sourced their ratcheting wrenches from KABO. KABO probably makes some of the best ratcheting wrenches on the market. Wrench designs changed over the years going from 12 point boxed ends to spline, and ratcheting actions from 72 teeth to 90 or more teeth.
Additionally, there isn't a Carlyle, Icon, or fill in the blank tool company for many brands. The wrenches are sourced from various suppliers like Kabo, Infar, High Five, SATA, or other manufacturers. Although difficult to tell with some versions, I think it's important to determine who the OEM of the wrench set is, rather than the brand name that's on the wrench.
Another factor in determining a pecking order of quality, is the shear number of types, versions, and models. You'd have to compare apples to apples and not mix features. To me the Taiwan made USAG/Facom/Expert/Dewalt/MAC/PROTO wrenches are pretty sweet. I tend to favor the Proto/Dewalt/Expert reversible combination wrenches myself. The older longer pattern Dewalts with the anti slip open ends are very good but, sadly no longer made. My favorite ratcheting wrench of all time, continues to be the Armstrong/Matco proswing model with a 12 point zero offset, 72 tooth ratcheting boxed end on one side, with a 15 degree offset fixed 12 point boxed end on the other side in standard length. :beer:


Hoping you would answer.

Best for my non-professional money would be the Taiwan made USAG/Facom/Expert/Dewalt/MAC/PROTO then, correct? Any suggestions on reversible/non-reversible?
 

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The older longer pattern Dewalts with the anti slip open ends are very good but, sadly no longer made.

I actually on a whim bought a set of these a couple of years ago on eBay - it was like $40 brand new for the full metric set. I was kind of weary of buying hand tools from Dewalt, but I was really impressed. Probably the best brand new value tool purchase I've made.
 

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Hoping you would answer.

Best for my non-professional money would be the Taiwan made USAG/Facom/Expert/Dewalt/MAC/PROTO then, correct? Any suggestions on reversible/non-reversible?
Starting out, it's hard to beat a set of reversible ratcheting wrenches 10-19mm plus 8mm. later you'll probably want some flex heads, and probably some really long ones after that, and then some ratcheting stubbies, followed by flex head ratcheting stubbies, and then larger sizes in what you already have :lol: :bounce:

I would lean towards Expert/Dewalt/Blackhawk first as Proto/USAG/Mac/Facom can be pricey.

On a side note, Craftsman V series has a nice reversible combination ratcheting wrench set that are pretty much the FACOM/USAG wrenches without the anti slip open end. However, they omitted 15 & 18 mm sizes which is a significant oversight :wtf: However, if you only work on Japanese vehicles, you shouldn't miss those sizes. Stalk Lowes.com or Acehardware.com for a sale or coupon. :beer:
 

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inherited some GR that were about 20yo. main thing i didnt care for is the knife edge beam. after buying some xframe and usag i gave away the GR to a guy at work. i like the xframe but they arent suited for every sutuation. usag seems decent in the few times ive used them
 

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Starting out, it's hard to beat a set of reversible ratcheting wrenches 10-19mm plus 8mm. later you'll probably want some flex heads, and probably some really long ones after that, and then some ratcheting stubbies, followed by flex head ratcheting stubbies, and then larger sizes in what you already have :lol: :bounce:

I would lean towards Expert/Dewalt/Blackhawk first as Proto/USAG/Mac/Facom can be pricey.

On a side note, Craftsman V series has a nice reversible combination ratcheting wrench set that are pretty much the FACOM/USAG wrenches without the anti slip open end. However, they omitted 15 & 18 mm sizes which is a significant oversight :wtf: However, if you only work on Japanese vehicles, you shouldn't miss those sizes. Stalk Lowes.com or Acehardware.com for a sale or coupon. :beer:
I randomly have the Blackhawk in fixed reversible, fixed non reversible, and two flavors of flex head. Interestingly, I find the difference in length has more to do with which ones I grab more than anything else, though I have had the non reversible ones get stuck a few times.
 

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For the record, I owned Snap On dual 80 reversible units, full sets of SAE/Metric.

....I like the 72 tooth Matco units more. Most folks at my place either use GW or Blue Point it seems. (Municipal fleet shop)
 

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For the record, I owned Snap On dual 80 reversible units, full sets of SAE/Metric.

....I like the 72 tooth Matco units more. Most folks at my place either use GW or Blue Point it seems. (Municipal fleet shop)
This is not even a comparison. The new snap-on are head and shoulders above the matcos. The matcos I have constantly get stuck in one direction or the other. The snap-on box is smaller and they are silky smooth.
 

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This is not even a comparison. The new snap-on are head and shoulders above the matcos. The matcos I have constantly get stuck in one direction or the other. The snap-on box is smaller and they are silky smooth.
My Matco's are basic box end, non reversible. Never had one bind or slip on me.

The dual 80's were very nice products absolutely, but I guess after upgrading from flex head "basic" gearwrench the reversible feature never quite embedded itself in my mind? I found I never really made use of it.
 

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Only some range of Matco is Kabo, they source the range from various manufacturing partners.
I not biggest fan of the expert wrenches or lot of that brand range.
Bluepoint can work out solid ratchet wrench and fair price as often see these close to new used or cheap online or sale deal .
Pre covid Facom ratchet wrenches was silly cheap so easy choice, So much good choices it really comes down to personal preference and exact $ you want part with .
A cheap source of some Kabo ones can be KS Tools .
V-Series would of been great set if included 15 16 18 , no single options and a 8pc set kind of ***** in the long term .
 

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My Matco's are basic box end, non reversible. Never had one bind or slip on me.

The dual 80's were very nice products absolutely, but I guess after upgrading from flex head "basic" gearwrench the reversible feature never quite embedded itself in my mind? I found I never really made use of it.
Makes since my matco are reversible and the lever gets stuck if you force it you will break the lever ask how I know.
 

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Hoping you would answer.

Best for my non-professional money would be the Taiwan made USAG/Facom/Expert/Dewalt/MAC/PROTO then, correct? Any suggestions on reversible/non-reversible?
I chose the FACOM due to the compact box end, the finish and the comfort in hand. I have had them for a few years now and love them.

I think that USAG, MAC and Porto, maybe even Craftsmen look identical to the FACOM.
 

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This is not even a comparison. The new snap-on are head and shoulders above the matcos. The matcos I have constantly get stuck in one direction or the other. The snap-on box is smaller and they are silky smooth.
Couldn't agree more - they're the finest ratcheting wrenches I've ever laid hands on. I got a slight deal on my sets, but wouldn't hesitate to buy them again if I needed to replace.
 

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Anyone have any comparisons on European ones?
I have a set of Hazet 606 metric that I'm pretty happy with. I surprisingly really like the matte chrome finish vs. the polished. However, they are made in Taiwan (which is 100% fine with me), and what I've read here indicates that a lot of the better ratcheting wrenches you'll find are as well due to patents owed by the Taiwanese ODM's.
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I also have a set of SK XFrames that I have mixed feelings about. The open end doesn't see a lot of use, but have been fine when they have been used. I forget what SK calls their version of the extra-grip teeth (similar to SO's Flank Drive Plus), but it seems to work fine. The ratcheting end is great - so smooth and still feels really beefy/strong... but 6-sided can be a bit of a PITA (I'm sure someone here can explain when it's and advantage other than sheer flat-side engagement). It bugs me more than it should, but I'm twitchy ;). I wouldn't wave anyone away from the XFrame, but they're probably a better second-set for the grippy open end and the zero-offset ratcheting end that seems to have infinite teeth.
 
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