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03protege

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I Have a few sets of ratcheting wrenches (reversible and non) and I always find myself breaking a stubborn fastener loose with a regular combo then switching to a ratcheting wrench to take the fastener off.

Is this unnecessary? When I say stubborn fastener I am talking about when you have to loop one wrench over the other for extra leverage.

Anyway I am just wondering how much abuse these Gearwrench ratcheting wrenches will take.
 
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I Have a few sets of ratcheting wrenches (reversible and non) and I always find myself breaking a stubborn fastener loose with a regular combo then switching to a ratcheting wrench to take the fastener off.

Is this unnecessary? When I say stubborn fastener I am talking about when you have to loop one wrench over the other for extra leverage.

Anyway I am just wondering how much abuse these Gearwrench ratcheting wrenches will take.

Can YOu?
Yes.

Should you?
No.

Ratcheting combo wrenches are fine for breaking free smaller fasteners (at least for me)but once you get up into the 17mm and 3/4" units I suggest a std combo wrench or a breaker bar and socket.

Will they withstand the use/abuse?

I'm sure for a while.

Over time and done daily? I doubt it.
 

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You won't know until the wrench fails but, if you're looping wrenches, I'd say you need a half inch drive breaker bar with a 6 point socket but, that's just me.
My favorite ratcheting wrench is the Armstrong/Matco pro swing model that has a zero offset fine toothed ratcheting boxed end on one side, and a fixed nonratcheting boxed end on the other side. That way you can break a fastener loose with the fixed boxed end and then speed it off with the ratcheting end. Gearwrnch makes some really long ones in this style called the Gearbox that may help you.
 

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Too many posts have been made where people have broken them with heavy use. Break the fastener lose, THEN use the ratchet wrench.
 

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Too many posts have been made where people have broken them with heavy use. Break the fastener lose, THEN use the ratchet wrench.

X2.

Technically gearwrench won't warranty if you broke one while breaking loose a fastener. But them again, how will they know what broke it.
 

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I am of the break loose with solid then remove / install with ratcheting crowd. I only have 2 ratcheting wrenches and about the only times I ever really reach for them is when working on brakes to remove the caliper bolts.

Personally what I would like to see, they probably make them and I just don't know, is a dual ended wrench, one end ratcheting and the other end closed 12pt. Unlike the common ratcheting one end, open end on the other. :dunno: That way you could break a fastener with the closed 12pt then flip it over for the ratcheting end.
 

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Personally what I would like to see, they probably make them and I just don't know, is a dual ended wrench, one end ratcheting and the other end closed 12pt. Unlike the common ratcheting one end, open end on the other. :dunno: That way you could break a fastener with the closed 12pt then flip it over for the ratcheting end.

Gearwrench does make those.

http://www.tooltopia.com/gearwrench-85988.aspx
 
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Thanks for the info everyone this is pretty much what I suspected but was not sure of.


You won't know until the wrench fails but, if you're looping wrenches, I'd say you need a half inch drive breaker bar with a 6 point socket but, that's just me.

Generally I only use the wrenches when I cannot get a ratchet or breaker bar to fit.
 

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I own a set of Mac Edge and I do everything under the sun with them. I have double wrenched them and broken all different sized fasteners loose without an issue yet. Idk I have thought back a few times thinking it wasn't a great idea but I haven't had any issues so far and it's been over 2 years but that's just my experience.
 

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ive used all kinds of ratcheting wrenches
titan, snapon, gearwrench, matco, ezred
i like the matcos i have now the best, they are very durable and the head is a good bit slimmer than a gear wrench
i dont double wrench them, and if i can help it i use something else to break it loose; but thats not always an option
 

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I use 1/2" and 9/16" Gearwrench brand Gearwrenches everyday (I'm not an auto mechanic). I'm a fairly strong guy, and I've used two 9/16" gearwrenches on the same rusted nut and bolt, pulled for everything I had, and they didn't skip. I had to use a large Dewalt 18v impact wrench to bust it loose.

I'm sure I'll get away with that only a few more times before I break a nail. There're quite tough, though.
 

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I broke a 19mm ratcheting flex head. It was a Gearwrench and my Snap On guy swapped it out for me. Not only did it fail under load it failed quite spectacularly. Busted my knuckles pretty good. Now I will take the extra 30sec to get a regular wrench or ratchet and socket to bust it loose.
 
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I pretty much do the same thing as far as break loose with regular fixed box end then switch to ratchet wrench. Have I done both? of course. I find my gearwrenches lasting a lot longer doing it this way. Its just like how on paper ratchets shouldnt be used to break things loose, which is why we have "breaker" bars.
 

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I always get the right wrench if it's in a spot that a tool failure will cause me bodily harm.
 

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I always get the right wrench if it's in a spot that a tool failure will cause me bodily harm.
That's the way I am. If I can envision busting up my hand I try to get a different tool on it. Sometimes you have no option other than a padded glove.
 

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While there are some stories of failure in ratcheting wrenches in high torque situations here in this thread, ratcheting wrenches might be stronger than they are often given credit for, when it comes to breaking loose fasteners.

Of course, it depends on the mechanism and the quality of manufacture, as well as the condition and the torque of the fastener.

Here is a video that tests a Taiwanese-made Kobalt flex-head ratcheting wrench vs a Snap-On reversible.


The amount of stress the Snap-On can take is quite impressive. According to this guys's test, the mechanism is stronger than the Snap-On dual-80 ratchet. In fact, the fastener he made failed before the wrench.

Unsurprisingly, the Kobalt failed earlier, and the failure point was at the flex-head. But it still had fairly impressive results.

While there was science involved in the testing, we are still only examining single examples of only two manufacturers, and non-similar wrench types, so real life results may vary. I wish he had used a GearWrench for an example of an offshore-made wrench, since they are the most popular.

The point is that ratcheting wrenches might be stronger than often given credit for, despite manufacturer warnings about breaking loose bolts, and despite some anecdotal evidence. Again, it may depend largely on the manufacture quality and the design, so take that for what it is.

Practically speaking, it mostly depends on the size of the fastener and the proper torque. Fasteners with moderate torque should never be a problem for ratcheting wrenches to break loose – even for decent-quality Taiwanese-made wrenches. Whenever you are dealing with high torque situations (such as with suspension parts, or where rust and corrosion are a significant factor, for example), it's probably safest to use a regular, non-ratcheting wrench to break those fasteners free, as many have pointed out, here.

But for any fasteners that are supposed to be torqued to under, say 40 ft/lbs or so, and rust/corrosion is not a factor, ratcheting wrenches should easily do the job, assuming there is space for the larger closed end that a ratcheting wrench requires.

If you are just starting out with an entire wrench set, regular non-ratcheting wrenches are the way to go, imo, because of their versatility. But you can add ratcheting wrenches, based on need, over time. Do you need strait or offset? Do you need flex or reversing? Long pattern or shorties? Almost all of my ratcheting wrenches have been pawn shop finds or specials on eBay.

Anyway, that's my (more than) 2¢ worth.
 

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While there are some stories of failure in ratcheting wrenches in high torque situations here in this thread, ratcheting wrenches might be stronger than they are often given credit for, when it comes to breaking loose fasteners.

Of course, it depends on the mechanism and the quality of manufacture, as well as the condition and the torque of the fastener.

Here is a video that tests a Taiwanese-made Kobalt flex-head ratcheting wrench vs a Snap-On reversible.


The amount of stress the Snap-On can take is quite impressive. According to this guys's test, the mechanism is stronger than the Snap-On dual-80 ratchet. In fact, the fastener he made failed before the wrench.

Unsurprisingly, the Kobalt failed earlier, and the failure point was at the flex-head. But it still had fairly impressive results.

While there was science involved in the testing, we are still only examining single examples of only two manufacturers, and non-similar wrench types, so real life results may vary. I wish he had used a GearWrench for an example of an offshore-made wrench, since they are the most popular.

The point is that ratcheting wrenches might be stronger than often given credit for, despite manufacturer warnings about breaking loose bolts, and despite some anecdotal evidence. Again, it may depend largely on the manufacture quality and the design, so take that for what it is.

Practically speaking, it mostly depends on the size of the fastener and the proper torque. Fasteners with moderate torque should never be a problem for ratcheting wrenches to break loose – even for decent-quality Taiwanese-made wrenches. Whenever you are dealing with high torque situations (such as with suspension parts, or where rust and corrosion are a significant factor, for example), it's probably safest to use a regular, non-ratcheting wrench to break those fasteners free, as many have pointed out, here.

But for any fasteners that are supposed to be torqued to under, say 40 ft/lbs or so, and rust/corrosion is not a factor, ratcheting wrenches should easily do the job, assuming there is space for the larger closed end that a ratcheting wrench requires.

If you are just starting out with an entire wrench set, regular non-ratcheting wrenches are the way to go, imo, because of their versatility. But you can add ratcheting wrenches, based on need, over time. Do you need strait or offset? Do you need flex or reversing? Long pattern or shorties? Almost all of my ratcheting wrenches have been pawn shop finds or specials on eBay.

Anyway, that's my (more than) 2¢ worth.

I am happy you commented on this thread (even if its a old thread) and had a very well thought out and interesting perspective. Thank you for your comment.
 

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Just paying it forward, I guess. Love this forum because of the range of needs and experience amongst posters. Today, I was organizing and trying to figure out what else I might really need vs what I want (which is everything, of course).

I'm sure there's always someone coming along like I did a couple of years ago, searching for answers to really basic questions.
 
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If you have to put a wrench on something over a socket you’ve already lost. Most ratchet wrenches have heads far larger than their non-ratcheting counterparts which makes them useless in situations you need a wrench over a socket.
 

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Like with anything, each a variety of tool has it's intended use.

I happen to love ratcheting wrenches in the right circumstances. But if I'm breaking free something tight/rusted/whatever, I'm always going to go for a non-ratcheting wrench or a breaker bar since there's less that could fail.
 

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A 3/8th Craftsman ratcheting wrench literally fell apart in my hand today the first time I went to use it. The set is maybe a couple weeks old :eyeroll:

Needless to say, I wont be using this particular ratcheting set to break anything free.
 
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Like with anything, each a variety of tool has it's intended use.

I happen to love ratcheting wrenches in the right circumstances. But if I'm breaking free something tight/rusted/whatever, I'm always going to go for a non-ratcheting wrench or a breaker bar since there's less that could fail.

As long as you’re not using a cheater pipe on the wrench, you can’t achieve the 300 ft. Pounds of torque required to break the ratcheting mechanism (assuming a quality wrench).

For that reason, you should use what’s the most efficient to work with and when or if it fails replace it under warranty.
 

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My rule with ratcheting wrenches is if I can loosen without the aid of a pipe, buddy wrench or tapping on the handle, then I am OK and it has worked for me. For seized fasteners, I got a set of Tekton long handle 6 points and they have held up fine with no more than an arm pull. If that don't work, out comes the breaker bar and socket.
 

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As long as you’re not using a cheater pipe on the wrench, you can’t achieve the 300 ft. Pounds of torque required to break the ratcheting mechanism (assuming a quality wrench).

For that reason, you should use what’s the most efficient to work with and when or if it fails replace it under warranty.

Didn't read this post, did you? :see:

:evil:

A 3/8th Craftsman ratcheting wrench literally fell apart in my hand today the first time I went to use it. The set is maybe a couple weeks old :eyeroll:

Needless to say, I wont be using this particular ratcheting set to break anything free.
 
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Didn't read this post, did you? :see:

:evil:

You have to get out to almost 3 feet to equal 300 ft/lbs. There’s a few videos on YouTube that show just how strong the ratcheting mechanisms really are. Gearwrench was almost as strong as the quality tool truck brands, but if memory serves they were all over 250.
 

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Ratcheting wrenches are for saving time. I just break the nut loose with them. No one who uses them to make a living are going to waste their time with breaking it loose with combination wrench. If they break, they break. These days there's long ratcheting wrenches that ratchet on both ends. You might not even have anything long enough that gives you the same leverage.
 
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