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Ratchets - flex vs non flex, locking vs non locking

hoffman912

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Hey guys,

I am quite disappointed with my craftsman ratchets after more than 10 years of solid use. They are just too clunky. I am going to upgrading a few areas of my tool box and I think ratchets will be a good starting point (in addition to screw drivers -as posted on another thread). I am looking for a higher tooth model... Id like to try a middle range set that's better, and if i like a certain style, invest in something like a used truck brand, European brand or truck brand alternatives (ie Williams, Proto etc).

That being said, i have done a lot of research on brands, but something I am not quite sure of is different types of ratchets. For example, flex vs non flex, and if flex, locking vs non locking.

I haven't really used a good flex ratchet before - just cheap ones that felt like wet noodles. The handle would always move from its detent (which wasn't much of a detent), making it feel like i was going to come off, or round off a nut. I wasn't too impressed. Though I understand the value and usefulness of having that flex ability.

Before spending money on ratchets though, I wanted to understand a bit more about flex ratchets - pros/cons that people who have used them see, and more specifically, pros and cons to locking vs non locking. I have only used non flex head ratchets. Can you guys share some wisdom and experience?

I like to feel confident that my stuff is going to grab on and not go caddy wompus when trying to unbolt them - especially ones that are really stuck on or have a higher torque.

Are there lower brands that you recommend trying with out breaking the bank (say tekton, gear wrench, ikon etc), to see what i like, before considering upgrading/investing in truck brand alternatives?
 
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joshmodelskidoo

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I switch from the Pittsburgh Pro flex head to Carlyle long handle soft grip locking flex head. They can help in certain areas. Dad had an old craftsman long handle flex and I really liked it so eventually i got me one
 

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I have various examples of all of them and find that each configuration has its own helps and hindrances. I've mostly bought in that gray area you define as middle range. By doing so I get more of the different styles with my meager budget. When I really liked a particular type I weighed whether I really needed better and then bought better in that style. Your own needs and budget should dictate your purchases. It's easy for me to fall in love with expensive things I really don't need.
 

dnschmidt

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I'm sure that I'm in the minority on this one but I DON'T LIKE locking flex head ratchets and I especially hate flex head ratchets with detents (as all of the locking flex heads that I know of have) that stop at specific angles. My all time favorite flex head is the Williams B-54. Obviously this is the flex head version of the B-52. I always thought it cool that my ratchet was named after a huge bomber.
 

nmantas

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I find myself unlocking my locking flex and finding a new angle more times than I thought I would. After that application I always re-lock it to straight. I think a lot of it has to do with ratchet length and many times it is not the confinement of the fastener that causes me to unlock it but the length of the handle that is hitting something (where a shorter ratchet might have been fine).

My view: locking flex for long handles and straight for short......there are so many companies that make locking flex now compared to 10 years ago when it was only Snap-On and Armstrong so I don't think I will ever buy a nonlocking flex.
 

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GearWrench and husky locking flexible can be used as both locking and non locking. So you can have both. Once I have flex head, I almost stopped reaching for straight ratchets. So I would imagine I would set it to flex most of the time. Only lock it when desired.

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I think Matco's too can be set either way, either locked or 'free'

Personally, I have both styles and much prefer locking flex.
 
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hoffman912

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I find myself unlocking my locking flex and finding a new angle more times than I thought I would. After that application I always re-lock it to straight. I think a lot of it has to do with ratchet length and many times it is not the confinement of the fastener that causes me to unlock it but the length of the handle that is hitting something (where a shorter ratchet might have been fine).

My view: locking flex for long handles and straight for short......there are so many companies that make locking flex now compared to 10 years ago when it was only Snap-On and Armstrong so I don't think I will ever buy a nonlocking flex.

Yeah excellent point on lengths - eventually i would like to upgrade to a set of SN 80 tooth (probably used); but I think i want to figure out what will be come my go to before i buy it, because i cant buy every version under the sun; basically just a 1/4, 3/8 normal and stubby, and a 1/2. So the question becomes - do i get a flex stubby 3/8 or a no flex, and the same with the other ones..

I could see a plus to having a flex stuby or 1/4 if you're going into tight awkward areas, but how much would i really use it? I think this is why i want to start off with a low cost mid range version first to play with and 'find myself'.
 
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hoffman912

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I'm sure that I'm in the minority on this one but I DON'T LIKE locking flex head ratchets and I especially hate flex head ratchets with detents (as all of the locking flex heads that I know of have) that stop at specific angles. My all time favorite flex head is the Williams B-54. Obviously this is the flex head version of the B-52. I always thought it cool that my ratchet was named after a huge bomber.

So fixed heads are your bread and butter, unless you have to go with a flex? If you hate locking and detents, whats so good about the B-52/4?
 

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I upgraded last year from Craftsman to Snap-on I got 1/4”, 3/8” and 1/2” fixed and 1/4”, 3/8” flex. I don’t lock locking heads. They are great but not so night and day honestly to my nicer craftsman or even Gear Wrench. :0

Im glad I got them I do however wish I’d have gone extra long. The Snap-ons are short to me.

Better not to over tighten I guess.
 
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I never had a pressing need for flex ratchets but - if I went with one - it would be a tight, non-locking flex version of the TUFF 1 ratchet in 3/8".
 

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I'm sure that I'm in the minority on this one but I DON'T LIKE locking flex head ratchets and I especially hate flex head ratchets with detents.
I'm with you brother. I've got regular and roto-head ratchets and zero flex. I'm just a gomer in my garage working on the family cars (and home DIY stuff), buy I haven't hit anything yet where I'm regretting not having a flex.

To the OP if any of that is of interest, I bought and returned several brands of roto and kept the HF Icon as the best for me (I kept the Pit.Pro 1/2" just because the difference seemed less-dramatic than the various 3/8" and [especially] 1/4").
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The Powerbuilt Pro Tech ratchets are really great for the money. I have them in flex variety.
 

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I have three 3/8" flex, a Wright bought in auto parts store while fixing the family minivan in the parking lot in the early '90s and and a US made Blackhawk and a US made KD. Both out a clearance bin. The KD is a Craftsman round head with a knurled handle. None of these had ever had me giving up my old pear head Craftsman. I recently bought a Gearhead 1/4", it's my go to ratchet now.
 

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Hoffman 912. The B-54 is a true flex head. Meaning the head just flexes to wherever you want it. No locks no detents. If you want to move it to a right angle to speed a bolt out no problem. This is the way Harbor Freight makes their flex head ratchets (The Pittsburgh Pro are super value for the money) and in my opinion that's the way flex head ratchets should be made. Actually I normally grab the flex head first unless it's too long then I go with the fixed head B-52
 

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I am in the long handle(12-13") flex non-locking camp. I find the non-locking ratchets much more useful, even something as basic as oil filter cartridge replacement on Tacoma's and tundras. I can spin the ratchet in whole revolutions avoiding obstructions and can work that much faster. If I were to get a locking version, I would be looking at a Matco first. I like non-comfort handles, preferably knurled. I still have a long handle flex pittsburgh pro, it has stood up to years of abuse, the head is low profile and just fine tooth enough. The selector screw is finally stripped, and it's replacement was to cheap to pass up, a proto long handle flex with a knurled grip. Same as a mac axis, but mac will only sell you smooth or comfort grip, so proto it is, again, for 101 after taxes etc. A long handle 1/4 drive flex is very useful too for under dash applications and some other areas, some quickie brake jobs. "Normal length" ratchets are all straight handled fixed heads. Finally, I have the icon long handle flex head 1/2", I use it everyday for at least a year now I think, on previously mentioned toyotas a lot. I'm pretty happy with it, maybe was 45 with a coupon. 3/4”+, long handle and no flex, I'm trying to transfer as much torque as possible, honda/acura crankshaft pulley bolts, for example. The pittsburgh 1/2" extendable and the proper lug socket should be in every vehicle's trunk.
 
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Me? I work in corporate travel, which is not the industry to be in right now..

What do I wrench on in my own time? Porsche's and Subarus.

Yes you. Well then really buy the best you can afford but leave room to buy other stuff. Its not like the stuff is making you money.
 

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Do the people that are putting down the locking flex understand that most of the ones with a switch can be ON or OFF? Meaning you can have it locked to any position OR you can leave the lock off and it will be a normal flex ratchet with no detents.
 
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