Re-baged into Crafstman

[3 at 8]

Man, am I happy with some recent pruchases. The Cobra/C-man pliers set for 14.99, and the Bahco 325/C-man hawksaw for 24.99. I didint think you could get a blade that straight and tight on a hacksaw. It's a sheer pleasure to use, and thank you to all who recomended. So, the question is, what other gems are hiding in the shelves at Sears that are re-badged from other top shelf manufactures that I have been passing up all these years? If you know of any, I would like to hear about them.


Knipex Cobra/c-man: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00945433000P?keyword=945433&sLevel=0

Bahco 325/c-man: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00936144000P

French/c-man hose clamp pliers: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00947390000P

Mayhew/c-man hook & pick set: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00947077000P

Kaststar/c-man rethreding kit: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00942275000P

Lisle Magnetic Socket Holders/Snap on: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00941374000P

Mechanics Time Savers (MTS)/Snap, Matco, MAC: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00942332000P

Schroder screwdriver/c-man: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00947473000P?vName=Tools

 

[Vinko]

A great idea for a thread!

 

[bchee]

These hose clamp pliers are French made and are well-reviewed:
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00947390000P

I don't know who makes the large hook/pick set but I think it might be Mayhew. It's also good:
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00947077000P

I believe the prybars are also made Mayhew. (not the indexable ones, which I think are made by Gearwrench)

edit: I bought the cobra pliers a long time ago. Too bad for me they went on sale for $15. Next time I know to buy during the holidays.

 

[stioc]

Yeah I too bought those cobra pliers (set of two) for $36 or so.

The Gearwrench serpentine belt removal tool is actually made by KD. Appears to be high quality, though I haven't used it yet.

Craftsman saw driver appears to be very similar to the Milwakee Job Saw - with visual differences so not sure if they're the same.

 

[LoneGunman]

great thread idea, I don't have anything to add except their rethreading kit is made by the same company that supplies it to Snap On, it's much cheaper at Sears. Several members here told me about it.

 

[Stuey]

Russell - Gearwrench and KD overlap a lot these days. Who knows, eventually all KD tools will be labeled Gearwrench.

3 at 8 - would you be willing to update the 1st post every now and then with updates?

 

[3 at 8]

3 at 8 - would you be willing to update the 1st post every now and then with updates?

Absolutely!

 

[Cafe Customs]

Great idea for a thread, wish the list was longer I like this rebadged thing! Just picked up the plier set as well for $20 (had a $5 off) they are great quality. The craftsman professional combo wrenches must be rebadged straight from the factory of baby jesus because they are sweet! Got the 28 pc. set for x-mas (early), they are glorious

 

[krusty the clown]

isn't every craftsman tool rebadged?

 

[MAD]

isn't every craftsman tool rebadged?

Say it isn't true!

My mom told me there was a Craftsman factory where all of the tools were made by elves.

 

[krusty the clown]

Say it isn't true!

My mom told me there was a Craftsman factory where all of the tools were made by elves.

oh yeah.......it's across the street from the harley-davidson oil refinery

 

[bchee]

great thread idea, I don't have anything to add except their rethreading kit is made by the same company that supplies it to Snap On, it's much cheaper at Sears. Several members here told me about it.

That rethreading kit is made by Kastar
http://www.aeincorporated.com/Kasta...hZ2VfbnVtPTImbnVtX2l0ZW1zX3RvX2Rpc3BsYXk9MTA=
40 or 48 piece, depending on your needs
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00942275000P

 

[peterbilr98]

im going to pick up a set of cobras all ready have the hack saw its great.

 

[zuspiel]

Great idea!

Wasn't going to pick up the cobras but then my wife wanted my help to pick out some tools as an X-mas present for her dad. Walked into Sears, saw the 7" and 10" set for $15 and couldn't resist (they still had some more, bchee. HW6 in Missouri City).

When I picked them up, my wife asked if those were the Cobras I mentioned to her a couple of days ago (I had said that I was actually able to NOT buy every tool on sale ). She said she went to Sears on Saturday and asked them and they didn't have a clue what she meant. I told her that most Sears sale guys aren't like billymade .

I was going to post the convertible snap ring pliers that SO also sells. Just checked but the Sears website has them as KD-branded and they now run $135...

 

[MOPARHOUND!]

These Lisle Magnetic Socket Holders sold at Sears are the same ones Snap-On sells. Was at Sears a couple years ago, and they had several stamped Snap-On mixed in with the Lisle hanging on the wall. Yep, Snap-On being sold at Sears (by mistake).

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00941374000P

 

[Mike83]

Seems to me that some of the socket drivers sold as Craftsman are rebadged SK. There is a definite difference in the chrome between different C-man sets (some are shiny with more of a mirror finish (SuperKrome???) while most C-man seem to have more of a dull, almost blued finish).

Also, most of the C-man tool boxes are rebadged Waterloo I think.

Oh yeah, C-man hammers are REALLY similar to Vaughn. I have both kinds and they are hard to tell apart.

 

[bchee]

These locking socket racks are made by Mechanics Time Savers (MTS) which are sold by Snap, Matco, MAC
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00942332000P

 

[MOPARHOUND!]

Seems to me that some of the socket drivers sold as Craftsman are rebadged SK. There is a definite difference in the chrome between different C-man sets (some are shiny with more of a mirror finish (SuperKrome???) while most C-man seem to have more of a dull, almost blued finish).

The Craftsman Professional Polished Flare Nut Wrench sets are manufactured by the thousands at S-K's Defiance, OH plant. Employee told me they are spec'd the same as S-K's.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00941374000P

 

[Mike83]

The Craftsman Professional Polished Flare Nut Wrench sets are manufactured by the thousands at S-K's Defiance, OH plant. Employee told me they are spec'd the same as S-K's.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00941374000P

That's right, I got both sets. However, the C-man are not offset by 15 deg, and I thought the SK were. Maybe I'm wrong...

I think the brand new crowfoot flare nut wrenches are SK manufactured as well. Again, you can tell by the chrome shine.

 

[MOPARHOUND!]

I have an S-K polished flare nut wrench, and a Snap-On flare nut wrench on my desk. The S-K is not offset, but the Snap-On is 15 degrees like a typical combo wrench's box end. Also have a flat panel (not polished) Craftsman, and it does have the 15 degree offset.

They are for sale in the Classifieds, (pic):

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26618

 

[3 at 8]

I bought this screwdriver about a week ago; I felt it to be a bargin at $12.99. I was throwing out the packageing today and noticed the package said made in Germany, so I looked at it closer and the handle is marked "Schroder". So I looked into Schroder which I never herd of before and found the catalouge (see below). It's my first ratcheting screwdriver as well as levered handle so I dont have much to compare it to, but I like the fact that it feels really heavy and solid, and has a really strong magnet. With the handle in the straight postion it feels quite different than anything else I have, not uncomfortable , just different, probably due to the sides being as squared off as they are. When the handle is angled it feels like a glove with your thumb positioned in a plastic notch which is formed from the front part of the handle upon levering. You can see what I am describing here on the pitures from Amazon. I wish it had bit storage though as other Schroder models have,(see catalouge and Amazon for Schroder mdl.1.184.1).


Schroder/c-man: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00947473000P?vName=Tools

Schroder catalouge: http://www.robert-schroeder.de/Schroeder_EasyFlip/Start.html

I cant direct link you to the driver on the Schroder site; you have to flip through the pages to page #25 looks most like it. The driver on page #20 has the bit storage and is on Amazon here: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DZ6YRE/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[eschoendorff]

I bought this screwdriver about a week ago; I felt it to be a bargin at $12.99. I was throwing out the packageing today and noticed the package said made in Germany, so I looked at it closer and the handle is marked "Schroder". So I looked into Schroder which I never herd of before and found the catalouge (see below). It's my first ratcheting screwdriver as well as levered handle so I dont have much to compare it to, but I like the fact that it feels really heavy and solid, and has a really strong magnet. With the handle in the straight postion it feels quite different than anything else I have, not uncomfortable , just different, probably due to the sides being as squared off as they are. When the handle is angled it feels like a glove with your thumb positioned in a plastic notch which is formed from the front part of the handle upon levering. You can see what I am describing here on the pitures from Amazon. I wish it had bit storage though as other Schroder models have,(see catalouge and Amazon for Schroder mdl.1.184.1).


Schroder/c-man: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00947473000P?vName=Tools

Schroder catalouge: http://www.robert-schroeder.de/Schroeder_EasyFlip/Start.html

I cant direct link you to the driver on the Schroder site; you have to flip through the pages to page #25 looks most like it. The driver on page #20 has the bit storage and is on Amazon here: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DZ6YRE/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Ugh... I have that screwdriver and hate it! What a turd! After using GearWrench and Snap On ratcheting screwdrivers, the action on that Schroeder driver is coarse as hell. What does it have, like ten huge teeth???? The handle ain't any picnic either.

Being a German myself, it pains me to say this: made in Germany doesn't mean it's necessarily good. German engineering reputation aside, even the Germans make some dumb sheit.

Now, granted, this Schroeder driver has got to be the highest quality turd tool that I own. Very nicely made, just WTF were they thinking when they made it with such coarse action and such an odd handle???

 

[3 at 8]

I agree with you that the ratchet dosent feel like a bevel on a Rolex but I havent played with any others to compare. I like Gearwrench products alot; so I'll have to go find a Gearwrench to test out; I want nothing to do with Snap-On though.

 

[bchee]

I have an older model of that same made in Germany screwdriver, and I hate it too. The ratcheting is extremely coarse like esch says, and its often hard to change directions (at least on mine). The older model does have bit storage incorporated into the handle. You turn the outer sleeve to expose one bit at a time.

I wish it had bit storage though as other Schroder models have.

Ugh... I have that screwdriver and hate it! What a turd! After using GearWrench and Snap On ratcheting screwdrivers, the action on that Schroeder driver is coarse as hell. What does it have, like ten huge teeth???? The handle ain't any picnic either.

 

[bchee]

I agree with you that the ratchet dosent feel like a bevel on a Rolex but I havent played with any others to compare. I like Gearwrench products alot; so I'll have to go find a Gearwrench to test out; I want nothing to do with Snap-On though.

The 56 piece Gearwrench set was on sale for $18- $24 and is much better IMHO
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00944013000P

 

[Joe B.]

Oh yeah, C-man hammers are REALLY similar to Vaughn. I have both kinds and they are hard to tell apart.

Yeah, it is pretty clear that many if not all Craftsman Hammers are made by Vaughn. I have the following Craftsman hammers that have this Vaughn patent on them. http://www.google.com/patents?id=phYmAAAAEBAJ

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00938095000P?vName=Tools&cName=Hand+Tools%2C+General+Purpose&sName=Hammers

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00938528000P

 

[64merc]

Ugh... I have that screwdriver and hate it! What a turd! After using GearWrench and Snap On ratcheting screwdrivers, the action on that Schroeder driver is coarse as hell. What does it have, like ten huge teeth???? The handle ain't any picnic either.

Being a German myself, it pains me to say this: made in Germany doesn't mean it's necessarily good. German engineering reputation aside, even the Germans make some dumb sheit.

Now, granted, this Schroeder driver has got to be the highest quality turd tool that I own. Very nicely made, just WTF were they thinking when they made it with such coarse action and such an odd handle???

I have one of these too, and I have to agree with eschoendorff on this one. The concept is good, and it might work well for high torque in the angled position, but this thing just doesn't feel right to me. I ended up dumping it into the household junk drawer, and basically handed it off to my wife.

 

[3 at 8]

Wow! I quess I didnt get the deal I thought. Ill have to get the package out of the trash and get my $12.99 back and put towards bchee's sugestion when it goes on sale again.

The 56 piece Gearwrench set was on sale for $18- $24 and is much better IMHO
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00944013000P

Does the T-handle ratchet as well? I've seen this set before, just steered clear of it because anything I've had with removeable shafts before tend to not stay in after a while, or get sloppy.

 

[OldSchoolSS]

Did you guys notice they don't have the hack saw online anymore? Are they dropping this item? I saw a couple in store the other day, was waiting for it to go on sale before I picked it up.

 

[Fedwrench]

Why do those all steel ball peen hammers have a wooden core?

 

[lauver]

Does anyone own a pair of the C-man French-made hose clamp pliers (MN 9 47390)?

If so, is there a series code stamped or printed on them?

 

[Fedwrench]

Does anyone own a pair of the C-man French-made hose clamp pliers (MN 9 47390)?

If so, is there a series code stamped or printed on them?

The only writing on mine is CRAFTSMAN 9-47390 Made in France patent# 6,199,190

 

[Joe B.]

Why do those all steel ball peen hammers have a wooden core?

To dampen vibration...

Lots of good explanation on the patent. I have not used them enough to comment a difference.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=phYmAAAAEBAJ

The patent also has a good pros/cons of conventional (hickory) and indestructible (metal) hammer handles. Most patents are kind of dry but I enjoyed reading this one and I learned a thing or two.

 

[paramudduck]

3 at 8 the T ratchets as well. I bought the set before Christmas for 19.99. I've used the **** out of it and it still works as well as my Snap on ones. The only thing I wish it had was a stubby.

 

[Fedwrench]

To dampen vibration.

You are the man!!

I've been contemplating getting those hammers, and I think I'll get one to try out. Thanks for the info.

 

[Crasen]

Yeah, it is pretty clear that many if not all Craftsman Hammers are made by Vaughn. I have the following Craftsman hammers that have this Vaughn patent on them.

I would bet the Craftsman dead blow hammers are made by Nupla. They sell both of them at Sears and looking at them side by side they are almost identical.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_...Hammers&psid=FROOGLE01&sid=IDx20070921x00003a
http://www.nuplacorp.com/products/striking-tools/nupla-power-drives/default.html

 

[64merc]

Wow! I quess I didnt get the deal I thought. Ill have to get the package out of the trash and get my $12.99 back and put towards bchee's sugestion when it goes on sale again.



Does the T-handle ratchet as well? I've seen this set before, just steered clear of it because anything I've had with removeable shafts before tend to not stay in after a while, or get sloppy.

Don't let us discourage you. If you like it, that's all that matters. We're just trying to give another viewpoint in case anyone else is considering buying it.

 

[lauver]

The only writing on mine is CRAFTSMAN 9-47390 Made in France patent# 6,199,190

Fedwrench,

Would you double check the patent number; The above patent does not apply to pliers of any kind.

 

[billymade]

I did some research in the past; check out the info here: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17030&showall=1

 

[Fedwrench]

Fedwrench,

Would you double check the patent number; The above patent does not apply to pliers of any kind.

Sorry, The patent number is 6,189,190