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I'm rewiring my garage. Other than the obvious, (dedicated line for welder, drill press, compressor etc) what should I DEFINITELY include in my schematic?

I plan on installing 2 outlets per 4 feet on the wall, about waste height.

4 boxes per 20amp breaker, with Large amperage items on individual dedicated circuits

My garage is small, 29x10, 8 foot ceiling. How many lights should I plan on going with?

anything I should look into for future proofing??
 
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run 5 or 6 8' lights

I did 8 8' lights in a two car garage and holy **** its like pure daylight…I think i went a little crazy…but i know i def have enough light now…went from two small bulbs to absolutely no shadows in my garage…I love it.
 

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I have four 20 amp circuits in my 24 x 26. So far, that has been plenty. What I found mattered more that total outlets, is outlets per location. Basically, more quad (four per box) outlets vs closer spacing. For my computer to be plugged into one location I have a monitor, the computer and the the speakers. Three plugs taken up and less than 2 amps of loading.

It seems like I always end up with a lot of low draw loads close together and pretty limited high draw loads.

I have one dedicate 120 V line.

Dedicated 240 V lines seem to work out better. On the 120 lines, the small draw items on top of the large draw ( saws, heaters drill pressed etc), never hit more than 80% of a 20 amp circuit. I don't have any 120 Volt devices that draw more than 12 amps.
 

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Garage door opener?
Ceiling receptacles for trouble lights or drop cords.
Big screen tv/stereo./speakers
Beer signs/fridge :beer:
 

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With ceilings lower than 12' go with 32watt T8 lights, as t5's will give you hot spots. Hot spots as in super bright and dim areas. Also put half the lights on one switch and the othe half on another so you can adjust brightness as needed. I just put in 4-8' tandem t8's last week, fixtures+bulbs were ~$200 from local Lowes. A total of 16-4100k 32w bulbs. I think the light is less than old t12HO's in a different area, but those are getting phased out but the gov.

I would also add a couple of 240 lines, actually 3 either end and one near the middle of the shop. You will inevitably need them one day. This is along with your dedicated welder/compressor lines.

Really to give you better advice we need to know what are you doing in your shop? Mechanic, Bodyman, Wood, all of the above, or a place to hang and have a beer? Good luck and let us know what you end up doing.
 

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Also consider putting an outlet or two under the front of the workbench. Sometimes its handy to not have to string cords across the workbench top.

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^ ^ ^ Great advice !!

Another possible addition is "240v switch" (setup through a relay) for your dedicated compressor circuit. Much handier to flip the switch off when leaving garage, than to either flip breaker, or turn off at compressor. It's not a good idea to leave compressor fully powered for extended periods as a problem could lead your compressor to just keep running (ie risk of explosion or ruin compressor).

Finally, decide where you might have chargers for your cordless tools. This might require you to stub in power inside a hanging wall cabinet.
 
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...and something like a simple recessed light with a LED bulb on a occupancy sensor type switch so a little light will turn on when you just run in for something quickly - so you don't have to fire up a full bank of fluorescent lights just to grab that one thing you forgot.
 

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I plan on installing 2 outlets per 4 feet on the wall, about waste height.

4 boxes per 20amp breaker, with Large amperage items on individual dedicated circuits

Have you added up how much this will cost? It's a lot of gear. $$$

This is big time overkill unless you are going to set up a business in your garage and have workstations lining the walls. I wired an office space for my wife's company and we didn't even need this many outlets. (For an office, I think we had 4 outlets every 12 feet for desks, computers, etc.)

Keep in mind that cords can be strung out left or right. A common cord length is 6' so outlets every 12 feet can service any position on the wall. Even then, it all depends on what you are doing in the garage. If you want to use a piece of equipment in the middle of the floor, you'll need an extension anyway, so frequency of outlets becomes even less critical.

If you know where your work bench is going to be, that's where you really need all this stuff. IMO - That's the hard part. Deciding on where the 240V equipment and workbench are going to go and stay long term.
 

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Have you added up how much this will cost? It's a lot of gear. $$$

This is big time overkill unless you are going to set up a business in your garage and have workstations lining the walls. I wired an office space for my wife's company and we didn't even need this many outlets. (For an office, I think we had 4 outlets every 12 feet for desks, computers, etc.)

Keep in mind that cords can be strung out left or right. A common cord length is 6' so outlets every 12 feet can service any position on the wall. Even then, it all depends on what you are doing in the garage. If you want to use a piece of equipment in the middle of the floor, you'll need an extension anyway, so frequency of outlets becomes even less critical.

If you know where your work bench is going to be, that's where you really need all this stuff. IMO - That's the hard part. Deciding on where the 240V equipment and workbench are going to go and stay long term.

I agree with this, how many tools do you plan on actually using at one time?

Also I would add outlets under the front of the bench as well as behind the bench. Both are very handy for different things. Also I would add a couple of outlets at the front of the garage so that when you put a table out in the drive during a nice day to do work you don't have a power cord dragging across everything in your garage.
 

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In installed three rows of the 8' t-8 fixtures on three switches and I'm happy that I did. I sometimes only use the one row.
 
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I'm rewiring my garage. Other than the obvious, (dedicated line for welder, drill press, compressor etc) what should I DEFINITELY include in my schematic?

I plan on installing 2 outlets per 4 feet on the wall, about waste height.

First, install those outlets so that the bottom of the boxes are AT LEAST 50 inches or so off the floor. You'll understand (and appreciate) why the first time you need to store a sheet of plywood or drywall.

Beyond that, every four feet is overkill. One double-gang box every 6-8 feet around the entire perimeter of the space will be more than adequate. BUT... DO make a point of feeding each of the two duplexes in those boxes from a different breaker than the other one. In small shops (such as yours), two 20A circuits will normally handle the whole thing; in larger shops, split it up further as you see fit. Optionally, add a third 20A circuit for the workbench area, especially if it is a large-ish bench and/or you have any high-draw 120V tools (grinder, drill press, etc.) "permanently" installed there. Also optional (but recommended, especially if you do any automotive work), put one additional duplex at an appropriate spot in the ceiling, to power a hand-held trouble light on a retractable cord reel (it can be fed from one of the other outlet circuits, so as to avoid the need for a separate GFCI). And finally, note that at least in anything which might be considered a "residential garage", NEC now requires that ALL 120V outlets be GFCI protected. The simplest/easiest way to accomplish this is to use a GFCI duplex as the first outlet in each circuit, fed directly off the circuit breaker; then "daisy chain" all the other duplexes on that circuit via the GFCI's "Load" terminals. Use 12-2 NM-B wiring throughout.

4 boxes per 20amp breaker,

Again, that's overkill. As noted above, you simply won't need more than three circuits AT MOST for your general-purpose 120V outlets. Just how many of those hand-held tools do you think you're going to be running AT THE SAME TIME?!?

with Large amperage items on individual dedicated circuits

This depends somewhat on what you mean by "large amperage"; but at least for the most part, it's also covered by the above.

My garage is small, 29x10, 8 foot ceiling. How many lights should I plan on going with?

Given those dimensions, more important than "how many" will be "exactly where". By the time you get that optimized, "how many" will take care of itself.

anything I should look into for future proofing??

It will likely be convenient (and very possibly cheaper) to install a dedicated sub-panel in the garage, fed by ONE (generously sized) cable from your main service panel, then originate all of the various garage branch circuits from that. In selecting your sub-panel, bigger is better than smaller. When all is said and done, and you've installed EVERYTHING you can currently think of, you want to still have at least a half-dozen (perhaps more) unused breaker slots available for things you haven't thought of YET.


run 5 or 6 8' lights

No.

Particularly given his eight-foot ceilings, four-foot fixtures will be FAR superior in terms of both placement and switching flexibility.


I have four 20 amp circuits in my 24 x 26. So far, that has been plenty. What I found mattered more that total outlets, is outlets per location. Basically, more quad (four per box) outlets vs closer spacing. For my computer to be plugged into one location I have a monitor, the computer and the the speakers. Three plugs taken up and less than 2 amps of loading.

That's where outlet strips come in. And at least one of them can be considered a "given" in the workbench area, if nowhere else. Wall warts, battery chargers, misc. small computer and/or A/V loads, etc. -- they're all in the same category in this respect: A lot of plugs, but not much load. So there's no need for separate outlets/circuits; just a convenient means of plugging things in.


With ceilings lower than 12' go with 32watt T8 lights, as t5's will give you hot spots. Hot spots as in super bright and dim areas. Also put half the lights on one switch and the othe half on another so you can adjust brightness as needed. I just put in 4-8' tandem t8's last week, fixtures+bulbs were ~$200 from local Lowes. A total of 16-4100k 32w bulbs.

I was with you until you got to the tandem (8-foot) fixtures. I would have used separate 4-foot fixtures; and I STRONGLY recommend same to the OP.

I would also add a couple of 240 lines, actually 3 either end and one near the middle of the shop. You will inevitably need them one day. This is along with your dedicated welder/compressor lines.

The problem with this is, until you KNOW what your 240V loads will actually be, you don't know what the current requirements (hence the wire size, breaker rating, outlet style/type, etc.) of each circuit needs to be, or even exactly WHERE within the shop they'll need to be located.

Really to give you better advice we need to know what are you doing in your shop? Mechanic, Bodyman, Wood, all of the above, or a place to hang and have a beer?

Agreed.


I agree with the advice already given, but I would fine tune it a little bit. Have extra outlets wherever you are likely to plug in any "wall wart" type transformers, and anywhere you could possibly have a wall wart type transformer do not install a quad receptacle. Instead install two separate duplex receptacles, one mounted to each side of a wall stud. That provides the separation necessary to provide clearance for multiples of even the largest wall transformer to plug in while still giving you good outlet density.

This is doing things the hard way.

In at least MOST shops the proliferation of wall warts will naturally gravitate to the general area of the workbench. And as noted above the simple solution is one or more outlet strips. If you choose said outlet strips wisely, socket spacing is NOT a problem. For example, I recently used this one:

http://www.lowes.com/pd_125292-16503-UTPBS010_?PL=1&productId=1214065
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on another project. Comes with mounting hardware for secure mounting, and seems sturdy enough for my purposes, anyway.

If you are going to have any sort of computer, modem, cable tv box, etc. in the garage try to have a dedicated 4 outlet box and circuit just for those items and also do not share that circuit's neutral leg with any other circuit. That will minimize any power tool use from affecting the computer, tv picture, internet connection, etc.

This is true, and not a bad idea. But OTOH, if you have any really sensitive electronics in there, they really ought to be fed from a GOOD true-online UPS anyway.

In as far as future proofing, I would at least run a couple extra circuits across the attic space and just terminate them in covered boxes at the ceiling. Any future changes then just need to go from the ceiling box and drop down the garage wall for anything new instead of being run all the way from the panel.

That could be a maintenance/troubleshooting nightmare, especially if the person doing that maintenance/troubleshooting is not the same person who installed it (and thus hopefully "remembers" what that oddball arrangement is/was supposed to be). Better to simply ensure that access to the sub-panel for chasing/fishing additional wires later is not impeded by other construction details.

I would also install at least one or two wall conduit stub outs in key areas for future data stuff like ethernet runs, cable tv cable, phone lines, etc. Just mount a box on the wall and then run conduit from the box up and into the attic space of the garage. Put a string in the conduit for pulling cable through it in the future and that is it. Very cheap and easy to do and it will save you a lot of hassle in the future if you end up sheetrocking or covering the walls.

Not needed until/unless the walls are sheetrocked; and if they are already closed, a major PITA to retrofit -- not to mention unnecessary, since such low-voltage stuff does NOT need to be encased in conduit (or even real workboxes, for that matter). Simpler & easier to just fish what you need, where you need it, WHEN you need it.

Last, but not least at this time of year is Christmas lights. You might want to mount a simple switched outlet up under the roof eaves outside the garage just for plugging in gutter mounted Christmas lights during the holidays.

Exterior lighting is a whole 'nother subject. Not to dismiss your suggestion; but it doesn't begin to cover the issue.


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Also consider putting an outlet or two under the front of the workbench. Sometimes its handy to not have to string cords across the workbench top.

Again, an outlet strip similar to the above works wonders here.

^ ^ ^ Great advice !!

Another possible addition is 240v switch for your dedicated compressor circuit. Much handier to flip the switch off when leaving garage, than to either flip breaker, or turn off at compressor. It's not a good idea to leave compressor fully powered for extended periods as a problem could lead your compressor to just keep running (ie risk of explosion or ruin compressor).

I agree about the risks of leaving an unattended compressor powered-up indefinitely; but good luck finding a standard wall switch which can properly handle more than a relatively modest compressor.


...and something like a simple recessed light with a LED bulb on a occupancy sensor type switch so a little light will turn on when you just run in for something quickly - so you don't have to fire up a full bank of fluorescent lights just to grab that one thing you forgot.

That's called "walk-through lighting"; and it should be factored into any comprehensive lighting plan. It is not necessary (and perhaps not even preferable) for it to be "dedicated" to this role, or a separate type from the rest of the general lighting; it just needs to be separately switched.


Along that same line of thought, if you are planning to light the garage on the brighter side of the intensity spectrum you might want to consider having two switches for the garage lights, with each one turning on every other light fixture, so you still have pretty even coverage if only one switch is turned on. You don't always need a huge amount of light in a garage, and if you are like me you are often using a bright task light while working on a small project at a bench etc. You still need some general garage light, but full blast light in the whole shop would just be adding to your electric bill.

In a future garage I will probably do 1/3 of the lights on one switch and the other 2/3 on a second switch. Then depending on the switch used I can have 1/3, 2/3, and/or full brightness light levels in the garage while only using two wall switches.

Seconded. :thumbup:

It also pays to put some thought into WHICH specific fixtures will comprise each of those switched "banks". Often, you'll want to "bias" the fixture count more toward the rear of the space, where natural daylight from an open overhead door is in short supply.


Have you added up how much this will cost? It's a lot of gear. $$$

Hence my "prescription" above for just two 20A circuits to supply most of the general-purpose 120V outlets. In practice, this is fairly simple and inexpensive to implement.

This is big time overkill unless you are going to set up a business in your garage and have workstations lining the walls. I wired an office space for my wife's company and we didn't even need this many outlets. (For an office, I think we had 4 outlets every 12 feet for desks, computers, etc.)

Keep in mind that cords can be strung out left or right. A common cord length is 6' so outlets every 12 feet can service any position on the wall.

IIRC, 12 feet is code minimum. In any event, it's too few and far-between for my taste. Really, as long as the walls are open when you're installing this stuff, a few extra boxes and a few extra duplex outlets will NOT add significant cost/effort to the job. Sure, it's a LITTLE more work; but not enough to stop me from using 6-8 foot spacing. Better to have, and not need, than to need, and not have.

Even then, it all depends on what you are doing in the garage. If you want to use a piece of equipment in the middle of the floor, you'll need an extension anyway, so frequency of outlets becomes even less critical.

Not necessarily a valid assumption. And besides, anything which can be done to either eliminate extension cords, or minimize the length of those which are needed, is "A Good Thing".


Also I would add outlets under the front of the bench as well as behind the bench. Both are very handy for different things.

One more time: Outlet strips. ;)

Also I would add a couple of outlets at the front of the garage so that when you put a table out in the drive during a nice day to do work you don't have a power cord dragging across everything in your garage.

This contingency SHOULD be covered by the "around the entire perimeter of the space" clause, above.

 
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wow awesome responses. Merry Christmas guys ! Thanks for all the suggestions.

I think I will definitely be putting in motion sensors for the 2 light zones. 1 in the front near the garage door, and one in the shop area where my side exit door is.

I think I was under estimating the effective stretch of each 20A circuit, looks like I won't really need more than 3 110 circuits...this is good.

I will probably also install one of those long outlet strips overhead above my bench, and a retractable reel in the bay area.

again, great ideas guys thanks !
 

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I am a little remissed that I didn't add some empty conduit to the 4 corners of the eaves.
I would have put outside sensored flood lights in back of the garage or used them for a security camera wiring.

Spend an extra $50 to add conduit to places you might want future items....just because it's electrical conduit, doesn't mean you have to use it for electric power.
 
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Biggest thing I could recommend would be to plan the tools you have and anticipate having to have designated spots. Use the CB structures layout planner to put all your stuff in place in your footprint and then plan wiring around that.

No point having a receptacle that wont be used or on the inverse, having to run a new wire from the panel to get a tool running just after you finish because it wouldn't fit where you wanted it.
 

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Be sure to put 120 and 220v outlets near the roll up (main door way) to your shop.

Many times I pull my electric welder out front to work on a project and use the 230v.

The 120v comes in handy to hook up a shop vac outside to clean out inside a car.
 

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Run the compressor circuit with a relay. My compressor is in the basement. 220v. I have a switch in garage, runs to relay on wall near compressor. Flip switch...**** comprseeor on. Flip it again...**** commpressor off. Running it directly off switch is a dumb idea.
Relay for the win.

You dont need all those outlets either. A couple on eah wall. Couple near bench. Use gfci's....why not? An extension cord on a reel from the middle of garage ceiling works good for me as well.

PS....you dont need security cameras or motion senssing lights....how are you ever gonna get a chance to blast someone with a 12 gauge if they get scared off too soon?
 

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I am a little remissed that I didn't add some empty conduit to the 4 corners of the eaves.
I would have put outside sensored flood lights in back of the garage or used them for a security camera wiring.

Spend an extra $50 to add conduit to places you might want future items....just because it's electrical conduit, doesn't mean you have to use it for electric power.

Based on comments like yours, I ran a loop of 3/4 conduit with drops to the back wall and access to the eves. PITA at the time, but it allows me to add what ever I want later.
 

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wow awesome responses. Merry Christmas guys ! Thanks for all the suggestions.

I think I will definitely be putting in motion sensors for the 2 light zones. 1 in the front near the garage door, and one in the shop area where my side exit door is.

I would neither use nor recommend motion sensors for the interior lighting in a garage, with the POSSIBLE (but still unlikely) exception of for the walk-through lights ONLY.

DO use a many switches as needed to implement full "three stage" control over ALL of the lighting, with control locations in the immediate vicinity of every possible entry point (which typically means on BOTH sides of any double-wide overhead doors). Optionally, you can set up the "walk-through" lights to also be triggered from your garage door opener(s).

If this all gets "too complicated" for your taste, consider using Insteon controls, so that a single keypad at each location can control EVERYTHING:

http://www.smarthome.com/2487S/Keyp...pad-with-On-Off-Switch-Dual-Band-White/p.aspx
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If you set up the wiring for this from the get-go, it actually becomes SIMPLER to install than conventional "3-way"/"4-way" switching. It also paves the way for convenient automated control of your exterior lighting.

 
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Another possible addition is "240v switch" (setup through a relay) for your dedicated compressor circuit. Much handier to flip the switch off when leaving garage, than to either flip breaker, or turn off at compressor.

Flipping breakers to turn anything on/off is a bad idea. They are not built for that use, and it weakens the breaker.
 

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run 5 or 6 8' lights

I did 8 8' lights in a two car garage and holy **** its like pure daylight…I think i went a little crazy…but i know i def have enough light now…went from two small bulbs to absolutely no shadows in my garage…I love it.

I've got 12 strategically placed double bulb 4' T-8 florescents going into my current 24' X 32' build, going after that pure daylight effect. I am fed up with the inadequate lighting I have dealt with for years in my present shop.
 

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I've got 12 strategically placed double bulb 4' T-8 florescents going into my current 24' X 32' build, going after that pure daylight effect. I am fed up with the inadequate lighting I have dealt with for years in my present shop.

I feel you on that one…I had just two 60w bulbs in my garage since dec 2008 when i bought the house. I love being in my garage now before it was more of a chore after 5pm. Now i'm in there non stop if not working on something, i'm playing darts or pool or some other shenanigans.
 
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