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I don't mind honest bias, in the sense that if you have X years of experience, and it has taught you Y tool is the better tool (to your liking), that's a legitimate form of information.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of this kind of "review" is typically lacking any experience with a competing tool. It's an emotional, not factual/empirical review.

What I am always skeptical of is people that review tools after using it for an hour or two, or people who seem to post up reviews or feedback between the time they buy the tool, and its arrival.

How many times have you hear something like this:

"This tool is awesome. I just bought it. It will be arriving on saturday. Will post up more thoughts after I've used it a bit"

And I take those for what they're worth, which is, generally, not all that much. They are, likewise, emotional, not factual/empirical.

That said, a positive review based on a couple hours of use is still a more factual review than a "I only own Brand X, because it's better than anything else out there, even though I have zero experience with 90% of anything else out there!"

There is FAR too much of this out there.

I don't lionize RTR, but I've found his reviews (at least, the ones I've watched) to be useful, because his testing is typically pretty consistent and performing against a particular metric.

He doesn't do silly nonsense like making impact drivers fight over hex stock, or whatever stupid shtick AvE (or others) decides to blather on about in his videos.

RTR actually has SOME science or legitimacy behind his reviews.

Also: Personality cults are obnoxious.
 
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If you know right away that you don't like the taste of coffee or tea, are you really going to do a day-long Starbucks Fall Flavor review?

If my youtube channel is called "Real Coffee Reviews" then yes, I think I should.
 

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Of course, after watching AvE, every other tool channel seems like boring BS to me!
Ironic, considering AvE constantly spews BS in almost every single one of his videos. Like the latest one where he couldn't even figure out how torque reaction works, and got the "direction" of the adjustable wrenches wrong.

I don't mind Real Tool Reviews at all.
 
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I don't have a problem with what these YouTubers and bloggers present. There are circumstances, context, surrounding them that influence what they present and its up to the end user to "weigh" the information and determine it's value. Just be cognizant not everyone uses the same "scale" and conclusions will vary.
 

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...All these guys who open a box do a few tests and call a tool or anything else "Good" are just shills, not even worth calling it a review...

But how else can you possibly rack up hundreds of "reviews"?
Do you actually expect these reviewers to use the stuff they're reviewing?

l think the word "shill" has been thrown out a lot lately (particularly in some videos from AvE), and I won't go so far as to make that implication. But the reality is that most of the "reviews" we see on youtube are something between the nature of "first impressions" and pure marketing.

Unfortunately, such videos do fill an emerging need. In the past, we could walk into a store and make first impressions on our own before plonking down money for something. With so many tools being now only available online (at least for many potential customers), we can make use of them in the absence of anything better.
 

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I remember he did a video of tools to avoid at Sears. So not all "positive" reviews. I actually love his reviews. I hope more Youtubers are like him.

He reviews some highly rated tools anyway, so what's the big deal that he gives them high remarks? Most, if not all the tools he reviews are excellent.
 

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His Wright Grip Wrench review got me hook line and sinker, I bought a set after watching the video, but I am more skeptical after the Harbor Freight Impact vs the Snap-on.
 

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But how else can you possibly rack up hundreds of "reviews"?
Do you actually expect these reviewers to use the stuff they're reviewing?

l think the word "shill" has been thrown out a lot lately (particularly in some videos from AvE), and I won't go so far as to make that implication. But the reality is that most of the "reviews" we see on youtube are something between the nature of "first impressions" and pure marketing.

Unfortunately, such videos do fill an emerging need. In the past, we could walk into a store and make first impressions on our own before plonking down money for something. With so many tools being now only available online (at least for many potential customers), we can make use of them in the absence of anything better.


You do make a good point. Back in the day one of our local tool stores would ask that we take a new tool from a vendor and try it out on the job for a few weeks and let them know what we thought, so that they (the store) could give honest reviews to potential buyers.

I got to try out a new model of the Milwaukee Sawzall, the Panasonic 15.6v drill driver and a few other things, I remember the sawzall had the fixed foot and I hated it compared to the super sawzall with the pivoting foot. The Panasonic was a okay but heavy to carry all day long.

So I guess IMO if you are going to do a review you should put a bit of time on the tool and then do the review.

I have done a few first impressions videos,(take it out of the box, talk about fit and finish, list stats and accessories etc.) I will also do follow up reviews on tools as well good or bad.

So doing it my way would give the reviewer 2x as many videos, so a win win :pimpflash
 

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Another thought on reviews,

I used to be into off roading and had a subscription to four wheeler mag, every year they would to a truck of the year article and the trucks were tested over a week IIRC. I never got how they could say this truck was better than that one after using it for a few hours, just fluff to fill pages IMO. They would also do long term tests, where they had a vehicle for a year and had updates every few issues, now these I paid attention to, that was a true test and the reviews showed that they had actually used the vehicle.
 

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His reviews are better than most which are basically no more than box opening ceremonies demonstrating fit and finish. For affordable DIY tools, the guy does a good job IMHO.
 

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His reviews are better than most which are basically no more than box opening ceremonies demonstrating fit and finish. For affordable DIY tools, the guy does a good job IMHO.



Perhaps, but to me, that's just setting the bar too low.
 

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I dont trust reviews of tools that still look brand new. That goes for any and all reviews, not just the subject of this thread.
 

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Consumer Reports reviews new cars. There is value to be had in reviewing new items.

I find a lot of bias in their reviews and they aren't telling me anything a 10 minute test drive wouldn't. I dont put a lot of faith in car reviews from people who review peanut butter.

Ever watch Eric O. from South Main Auto on Youtube? He generally doesn't do tool reviews, but when he does talk about a tool of his, its almost never "I just opened the box and..." Its usually "I've been using this thing daily for X amount of time and..." That kind of review has value.
 
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Everybody does different kinds of reviews - I like reviews that involve use and measurements, then opinions based on experience. RTR is better than most, he uses equipment designed to measure and comes up with real numbers. AvE is interesting, but rather too opinionated to be anything other than entertaining. Even so, he does come up with a nugget or two of good information/observation/measurement. Eric O. from South Main Auto is a real user and occasional abuser of tools. He once took a brand new Snap-On ratchet and used it as a hammer while working on a vehicle on a lift. I don't own many Snap-On tools, but I do know how much they cost, and that did make me experience a twitch in my left eye for about an hour after seeing that. I have to agree with L. Cheapo, Eric O.'s reviews do have value.
If a tool is new or a new model or new version of a current model, there aren't going to be any 6 month or 10 year daily use reviews. Also, we have to keep in mind that any product made today is not exactly the same as the same thing made last year or ten years ago. Technology changes, manufacturing methods and equipment changes, suppliers change, owners and management change. Many times I have discovered the new version of a good product is no longer so good. The manufacturer will cheapen it to save money, and/or send the manufacturing overseas, to make it more profitable. That doesn't always happen, some products get better over time, but as always, "buyer beware." Trust no one, especially if they make tools. :thumbup:
 
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I view it as a starting off point. Learn a bit about the tools and get a bit more familiar with them. Then I google to see others opinions. I don't trust any single review shill or not. But watch enough of them and you get a good idea if it's something to check out for yourself.

And like anything else RTR AVE and the rest are entertainment shows. These are not professionals. They are Joe Schmo with a camera. They are fun to watch but like most things amateur and on the internet it's not gospel. If they screw things up so what? I watch them for entertainment not for some expert to scientifically prove something beyond a shadow of a doubt. If I wanted that I would find actual experts not some guy in a garage.
 

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I actually will watch the tool reviews from most of the people that post a review with what I am considering. I prefer the reviews of folks that do the review of 3, 6, 9, 12 months. They tend to tell things that the other do not, I really like the ones that have a layer of dirt and dust and scratches and tell, the bad and the ugly.

As far as RTR and AVE I watch but my BS meter is pegged out on both of them. They seem to be having a *** for tat battle going on.
 

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Honestly, how can you tell if any review is legitimate?

All of the anti or pro-HF/Craftsman/Snap-on/etc. "independent" reviews could be bogus, simply due to the reviewer having a bias for or against a particular brand, and therefore puts out a review to justify their bias.

Really, that's why you don't rely on a single source, and you look for things that can't be faked - i.e. a tool tear down showing components clearly, or some kind of test that can't be fudged.


On the note of bias, I find AVE's constant serious side comments about Snap On to be hilarious. In the one where he tried to build a ratchet strength tester, he mentioned that Snap On makes the strongest 1/4 drive ratchet on the market (not tongue in cheek either and,additionally, he made a similar comment about the Snap On wrench he just tested in a recent video). Bet that line came straight out of his local Snap On salesman. Hadn't even tested the ratchet yet (and the testing rig failed miserably anyway), and he was claiming that it was the strongest. Isn't he supposed to be the guy that doesn't listen to marketing BS? Or does that only count when it is brands he doesn't like....

Snap On may very well make the strongest 1/4 drive ratchet. I know Wright also claims to make the strongest 1/4 drive ratchet too, so who knows. That, however, is irrelevant. AVE claims to be fact based and actually proving what tools are best (as well as not listening to marketing BS from companies), but it is amusing to see that he too, as much as he may deny it, has his favorites and will repeat marketing claims made by those companies he likes.

I seriously wonder how much of AVE's attacks against RTR are because RTR trashed the Snap On Impact wrenches and AVE, as a pretty big Snap On fanboy, took that personally.

I like the Snap On tools I've got (okay, love them), but I don't get why there is such fanaticism around tool brands. I also love my SK, proto, wright, and even the stuff I've gotten from HF (composite ratchets, dead blows, few other odds and ends). Lots of good stuff out there.
 
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I have watched a few of his video's for tools I have been interested in. His video's are professional, concise and he seems to cover all the basics about the functionality of the tool quickly and in an easy to understand manner. When he uses a particular tool a lot he mentions that, so in some cases he has hands on experience.

I bought a heap of Knipex pliers after watching his reviews and am currently thinking about a set of Wera Jokers, his review on them I thought was very helpful, but I will probably procrastinate for a little while longer before pulling the trigger.

If there were better review videos out there I would watch them, I just haven't seen any.

Cheers Andrew
 

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Did Real Tool Reviews run out of gas? I don't see him update much at all anymore on Youtube.
 

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Did Real Tool Reviews run out of gas? I don't see him update much at all anymore on Youtube.

He hasnt done a long review in awhile but he is moving shops so that could be why. He does post often on Facebook tho and replies to people's comments on there.
 

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I don't think WoodstockVA should be allowed to post his reviews. It makes us people who are forced to watch those videos sometimes get an opinion that differs from our own.
 
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Did Real Tool Reviews run out of gas? I don't see him update much at all anymore on Youtube.

The big pay cut that YouTube has dished out to all if it's content creators could be part of the reason why he is producing fewer videos.
 

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The big pay cut that YouTube has dished out to all if it's content creators could be part of the reason why he is producing fewer videos.

There was/is no big pay cut, what they did was change the video suggestions so that it is a broader spectrum, not just the channels with the most subscribers/views.

The other thing they did was to start using a new algorithm that searches for content that may be offensive to advertisers, so channels that had a lot of swearing, violence etc.. no longer get as much ad $$$ due to fewer ads.

Also the more videos you produce the higher up in the suggested videos you will be.
 

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Some insight into the "only review good tools thing".

I used to write for several national gun magazines, and the un-said policy was somewhat the same...but probably not for the reasons you think. First...NO I didn't get free guns. In fact, many of us writers were convinced that the manufactures do everything they can to keep guns from getting into our hands. They routinely missed shipping dates, which blew deadlines, etc. Often they would ship us a broken gun...so no, they didn't cherry pick guns to send to us.

The reason we steered away from "bad" guns was because it caused more trouble than it was worth. Magazines are 100% funded by advertisement...subscriptions cover less than 40% of the cost of just ink. So we live and die by advertisement. Well those advertisers were the same companies who were making the guns, and they could exert a lot of power. I know of people who were basically blacklisted by a major manufacture for running down their product. Meaning, they wouldn't advertise with ANY publication that hand that writers byline between the covers.

Now, all that said. There were some who would completely trash a gun without their full due diligence.

You have to understand something about product reviews. 99.9% of the time, they are reviewing a grand sampling of ONE! Because anything and everything that could go wrong, did go wrong, that doesn't necessarily mean a product is bad. EVERYONE puts out a bad item from time to time; that's just the FACT, and the truth.

So when you completely trash someone's product, or even company; is that really being fair? Everyone has seen a broken Snap On product, but everyone knows that's the exception, not the rule. And again, it's a sample of ONE! Is that representative of the entire product line, or even the company?

Therefore, when we did encounter big problems from a major reputable manufacture, we would give that manufacturer every opportunity to make it right. It's a good test of their customer service, and their ability to resolve a problem.

If there was a problem that was resolved during one of my reviews, I would report exactly what happened, and what steps were taken to correct them. That didn't always make the manufacturers happy, but the "unwritten code" was fulfilled (meaning, we gave them EVERY opportunity to make it right.), so in such situation as that, our editors would go to bat for us.

When I was a gun writer, I made my living reviewing guns. So I had to have at least a minimal rapport with the manufacturers...they needed me just as much as I needed them. So we all did our best to work together. They did their best to make a decent product, and I did my best to give it a fair shake.

Now, the REAL reason that I really didn't review junk guns was...It's a freaking waste of my time. I don't get paid one red cent more for an article that took 5 tries with the manufacturer and 6 months to bring to press, vs an article that went together in 3 weeks. So I avoided companies I felt were questionable, because it was a very inefficient use of my time... Hey, we're all just trying to put food on the table for our families.

I NEVER ONCE LIED! But there were some guns I gave up on and decided to just write about something else.

Use common sense...9 out of 10 guys on this forum knows what the "bad" tools are. His reviews are informative and they appear to be fair reviews of the product he's reviewing. He doesn't OWE you anything! So if you value his reviews, then watch them. If you don't, there's probably a dozen more reviewers to choose from.
 

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There was/is no big pay cut, what they did was change the video suggestions so that it is a broader spectrum, not just the channels with the most subscribers/views.

The other thing they did was to start using a new algorithm that searches for content that may be offensive to advertisers, so channels that had a lot of swearing, violence etc.. no longer get as much ad $$$ due to fewer ads.

Also the more videos you produce the higher up in the suggested videos you will be.

Okay, so there wasn't an actual cut in pay..... but ultimately the majority of YouTube creators are taking in less money per month than they were 3 or 4 months ago. New algorithm, different suggested videos, pissed off advertisers, etc, etc.... whatever the reason, MOST youtubers now make less money. If you are not one of them, and havent noticed a drop in your income, congratulations!
 

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Only somewhat related but goes w the gun story above: on the weekends I kinda like listening to Leo LaPorte (sp?) the tech guy.

He's mentioned that because he's not overly kind to Apple products he doesn't get invited to launches of new products like the iphone8.

I'm not saying this Leo guy is or is not good so nobody get hurt. He's nothing more than background noise entertainment while I'm working weekends. Likewise all the video reviews are entertainment to a point - they ALL get lumped into whatever I might know or see about a given product. It's much like writing a research paper: you have a bibliography.
 

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What's the story here?

Garage Gazette is smaller crowd with the core active posters actual tool users in their day job. RTR guy joined with canned sunshine coming out of his wazoo over there and when he got detailed questions and push back, took his ball and went home. He is pretty thin skinned to ANY criticism.
 

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Garage Gazette is smaller crowd with the core active posters actual tool users in their day job. RTR guy joined with canned sunshine coming out of his wazoo over there and when he got detailed questions and push back, took his ball and went home. He is pretty thin skinned to ANY criticism.

pretty much right. when asked some real questions about things he had supposedly reviewed he got pissed. i don't even recall what the items were.

he had been very active, hundreds of posts, lots of pictures, links, you name it. when he couldn't back up his claims, rather than just admit he didn't know or was wrong he decided to pack up his bags and go home. not wanting any bad pr out there he started deleting things. whole threads, pictures , anything he could. he gutted some really good content. when we asked him to stop, he didn't. he was actually banned while tearing stuff down.

thinking he may do the same here, i notified the staff about it. i don't know what they did or how they handled him but we know he is not active. tells you something.
 
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