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Recommend A Geiger Counter

kams1973

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My cousin recently took a load of metal in for recycling. They rejected the load because it had "hot" items on it. Since he has to drive 150 miles to the dealer, he needs some insurance that this won't happen again. I told him I'd look around the internet, but I know absolutely nothing about geiger counters. He needs something practical that will measure radiation and won't break the bank. Thanks for your help.
 
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Buckgnarly

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My cousin recently took a load of metal in for recycling. They rejected the load because it had "hot" items on it. Since he has to drive 150 miles to the dealer, he needs some insurance that this won't happen again. I told him I'd look around the internet, but I know absolutely nothing about geiger counters. He needs something practical that will measure radiation and won't break the bank. Thanks for your help.

Really?:wtf: sure they did not mean "stolen"?

The chem teacher next to my class has one, might luck out borrowing one at a local school or college?
 

mrholeshot

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He may want to find another source for metal. Lifes a ***** when you lose your hair and your junk shrivels up and falls off
 

Lt CHEG

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DO NOT trust a cheap CD geiger counter that you buy for under $100 on ebay. Geiger counters like other scientific instruments need to be calibrated from time to time to be worth anything. These old CD units are several DECADES out of calibration and should not be relied upon. Plus most of the old CD units are high scale, designed for post apocolyptic nuclear war situations and aren't good for picking up low activity stuff. I've seen some decent deals on geiger counters for $300 to $400 for decent ones and you can buy new ones for $600 to $700 that are the same kind used by the government. To be honest though, if you don't know what you are doing though a geiger counter may not be worth all that much to you. I'd see if maybe you could reach out to a friend or friend of a friend, etc. that might know something about detecting radioactivity and see if they'd be willing to assist. Offer a case of beer for the assist and you'll be way ahead on the deal vs. buying a geiger counter that I would consider trustworthy.
 

Kevski

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Most large scrapyards are now using drive-through scintillation detectors, similar to is used by DHS in many ports and container yards. These systems are very sensitive, and for good reason -- the cost to decontaminate a facility is huge. Most radioactive sources that end up in the waste stream are small -- a Cobalt-60 radiography source is about the size of a hockey puck, and encased in a lead shielding container the size of a small ice chest. Yet the radiation from this source (if the shielding is damaged) can cause severe burns, death with seemingly short exposure, and could contaminate thousands of tons of steel if ground up or melted down.

I will echo the advice given by two prior posters -- don't waste money on a CD Geiger counter, and tell your friend to get his scrap elsewhere. If he's running a business, he should invest in a Radcomm RC2 or similar scintillation counter (a more sensitive type of Geiger counter, cost is around $1000), find out where the radiation is coming from, and consider calling the EPA.

It's not something to be trifled with. Even low-level contamination (i.e., a source you'd have to hold against your junk for ten years to shoot blanks) can have staggering cleanup/decontamination costs. And the high-level waste can give you a lethal dose in mere minutes. You feel a bit of a tingle, you taste something metallic in your mouth, and three days later you're dead.
 
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davidj

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first you need to decide what contamination you might see. like some others said you will probably be seeing mostly gamma and some beta. you may see some alpha though. you have to have certian insturments to detect different types of radiation. usually you have one instrument for beta/gamma and one instrument for alpha. but they do have an instrument that will measure all three. thats the one I would recommend. it is called the electra. the probe is 100cm squared already because that is the size we use in radiation protection when we do a contamination survey. we say there is so much activity per 100 cm squared.

but the only downfall to getting any reliable radiation detection instrument is cost. you will spend close to 1000 bucks to get a good one and then you have to get it calibrated every so often and its only good if you know how to use it...

I am in a college radiation protection program right now, thats where I am getting my info from. also I have done an internship with a DOE facility.
 

Kevin4317

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Sometimes if your metal has been around granite which is a natural occuring radation source so if you walk in to grand central station you will always get a hit. You need to find out what radiation they are testing for alpha beta or gama and find out what there limits are and there is a big difference between 1 rem and one microrem!!!
 

FredB

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Any CD V-700 counter was calibrated last in the 1980's. I have a Eberline external Probe model that I can't get a calibration done on any more.

You can get a Pocket Geiger Counter cheaper, than external Probe style model.

Try searching online for Geiger counters there are a couple of places still selling to people
wanting them for mineral prospecting, or other uses.
 
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