Record no 22 quick release vice/vise restoration

[craggus2000]

Hi all,
I've finally taken the plunge and managed to get hold of a Record 22 quick release fitters vice to restore. Reckon it's about 70 years old. I'll try and post pictures tomorrow as don't have my camera at the mo (now added), but had a few questions...
Although there doesn't seem to be too much rust for its age, the jaw screws are seized. What's my best approach to remove them? As I want to try and do a full strip down
Does anyone know what thread type and size they are, in case I need to drill them out?
Other than that it's in good condition so I think I'm going to wire wheel it and repaint...
ANY other general advice or diagrams for these vices would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks

 

[dutchgray]

The screws will be Whitworth with a really steep countersink. Time penetrating fluid some gentle heating and a hammer type impact driver should get them out but the slots may be ruined.

 

[exmaxima1]

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Although there doesn't seem to be too much rust for its age, the jaw screws are seized. What's my best approach to remove them? As I want to try and do a full strip down
Does anyone know what thread type and size they are, in case I need to drill them out?

When I restored my Record "fitters" vises, I made new screws for the jaws. I recall that the threads were pretty much SAE, but I did chase them with a tap to clean them out. Then I made new screws with the steep taper by chucking them in a drill and spinning them against a grinding wheel. Very easy and fast solution.

 

[craggus2000]

Thanks, will investigate when I'm able to start dismantling in a few days.
Got the photos uploaded now.
Any idea when opening the jaws the quick release 'clicks'? The lever clicks in and out - from memory it's not supposed to do this?
Also if you look at the photos, I think there's a washer missing as the vice separates completely. Where exactly does the washer go, and how does it stop it separating please?
Does everything else look in order from the photos?
Many thanks

 

[dutchgray]

Washer goes over the screw at the rear end where it locates in the back of the slide. It stops the dynamic against the back of the screw guide behind the nut.
Other wise it looks fine to me.
Good clean and paint if you want to, resemble and oil it and it should work fine.
The nut jumping out is annoying and they can be a pain to set up, you probably need to increase the spring tension a notch or two but not until you get it clean and oiled as that alone could be why.

 

[craggus2000]

In an attempt to make this post as informative as possible, I'm attaching literature obtained from Irwin (the company who took over Record) about the Fitters' vices...


Description



Parts diagram

 

[craggus2000]

Does anyone know what year the main screw head changed from being bulbus (like mine in pics in first post) to flat?

 

[craggus2000]

Ok, so I'm part way through the strip down and rust removal now.

Managed to remove two of the four jaw screws with some WD40 and an impact driver, but the other two weren't budging so I had to drill them out!

On the bright side they seem to be normal (not steep) countersunk 5/16" Whitworth (BSW) x 1" so I found some online which will hopefully arrive shortly.

Some more pictures...

Sliding jaw and all parts removed.




Jaw removed from sliding jaw, pre-wire wheeling.


Quick release mechanism removed, pre-disassembly.




Quick release mechanism with rocker bar removed. I thought it would be rusted on, but a light wire brush removed the surface rust.


All the little parts, along with the lone removed jaw, after cleaning and casting cleanup.


Sliding jaw after red primer.




I couldn't resist, so primed and painted the trigger and front bracket so I could see what the new colour would look like.
I chose this burgandy colour as I remember my grandfather's Record vice was similar to this colour when I was a boy.






More to come...

 

[craggus2000]

Washer goes over the screw at the rear end where it locates in the back of the slide. It stops the dynamic against the back of the screw guide behind the nut.

Not entirely certain where you mean, any chance you could post a photo so I can get a visual?

Many thanks

 

[craggus2000]

More restoration pics shortly, but first...
I was starting to clean up the main body and noticed what looks like a warning label on the back side (the side without the RECORD logo).
Looks like the word IMPORTANT at the top, but I can't make out anything else.

Would anyone have a vice with this sticker in tact that you could post a photo of please?
It's about 35mm diameter.

If possible I'd like to recreate it to make the vice as close to original as possible (colour excepting).

 

[craggus2000]

More paint photos -

Main body having drilled out the jaw screws (removed without damaging the internal thread) and pre-cleaning.




And now during red primer




Main body and sliding jaw with 3 coats of burgandy paint









Going to let it dry for a day or two before putting everything back together.

 

[dutchgray]

Not entirely certain where you mean, any chance you could post a photo so I can get a visual?

Many thanks

Sure
View media item 60560That's a Parkinson but all the ones I have have washers, my only Record QR is missing its washer.

 

[craggus2000]

Thanks, does it matter what thickness or diameter the washer is?

I've adapted one from a large repair washer, but it's only about 1mm thick. Should that be sufficient do you think?

Going to start re-assembly in a day or two - the new jaw screws arrived the other day and they seem a perfect match for the originals.

Think I'll use all new screws for the jaws and just ditch the 2 remaining ones that I didn't drill out.

 

[dutchgray]

Any washer that works will do, if its too thin and you find it bends you can always find a thicker one.
I would use the new screws as well, the ones you have are not the ones it would have had from new, they would be the steep countersink if they were, the jaw plates have either been replaced at some point or altered to suit. So there is no harm in having new screws.

 

[craggus2000]

I was starting to clean up the main body and noticed what looks like a warning label on the back side (the side without the RECORD logo).
Looks like the word IMPORTANT at the top, but I can't make out anything else.

If possible I'd like to recreate it to make the vice as close to original as possible (colour excepting).

I've been able to figure out the rest of the words on the label.
It states:

IMPORTANT
---
KEEP SCREW THREAD
AND
SCREW NECK
WELL OILED

I've now made up a replica as close as I can get to the original label which I've printed on water-slide decal paper so will apply that when the vice is all assembled.




For reference it needs to be 35mm diameter to match the Record 22 vice.
Probably the same size for all the fitters vices I would guess?

 

[michjacket]

Craggus,
You are doing an awesome job! I really admire the time and effort you guys put into your restorations.

 

[craggus2000]

Thanks michjacket, i think cleaning up and restoring old tools is becoming a hobby now, although this is the first time I've documented one!

Does anyone have any ideas on what (if anything) i could do with the bed of the sliding jaw to improve both its looks and its flatness? Although it is pretty flat to be honest.

 

[craggus2000]

Main screw and handle cleaned and polished...

 

[craggus2000]

I think I've finally finished!
See below pictures -

Jaws re-attached with new screws



Underside with quick release mechanism all greased and oiled up




The completed vice












And finally with the decal applied








I'm going to let the paint cure for another week or so before mounting it to the bench, but after that it's ready for use!

 

[diagnosis]

Very good looking vise, and excellent job on the restore, it looks brand new!

What did you print the label on? It looks completely legit!

 

[craggus2000]

Thanks very much!

What did you print the label on? It looks completely legit!

The label is printed on 'water slide decal paper for laser printers'. I got it from a company called crafty computer paper here in the UK.

Its the same stuff as those temporary tattoos that kids put on their arms etc. You print the image on the A4 sheet, cut it out and soak it in water for a minute or two, then slide it off the backing paper, apply and let it dry. It's the best way I've found for re-creating logos and labels for things like this.

 

[Fretters]

Nice work. That looks lovely.

 

[craggus2000]

Thanks, what would you recommend coating the handle with to prevent rust? Wax or something else?

 

[Ridjobradi]

Excellent restoration job on your vise. The slight transparency of the label makes it look like it was applied decades ago. Thanks for sharing.

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