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Ok I picked up a made in England record vise (pics to follow) at the pawn shop. I have a question thou. When I loosen the jaws they do not spread on their own . They tighten just fine thou. Is this normal or did I buy a giant paper weight. Beautiful price of iron though


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you might have a quick release version which would be awesome or you might have a giant paperweight.

try this if you have it close by. can you make one turn counter clockwise then pull out the vise jaws to say 3 inches wide? then turn clockwise and it should tighten like a normal vise. if it does you have the quick release version.

post pictures of all 4 sides and a couple from underneath so the guys with several Record vises can help you too.

good luck and hope its not a paperweight
 
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Ok it seems to be a quick release how do I find out more info on this vise
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Some fool welded the dynamic jaw on I think because he lost or stripped the screws that hold it on. What size screw do I need to look for if it's stripped I will tap them and go a size bigger. The welds will be ground off and polished


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Roof: take lots more pictures of especially the weld you mentioned and the bottom so the Canadian and European members can comment when they see it. there are quite a few of them with a half dozen or more of these awesome vices sitting on their benches.

good luck and it looks good in the one picture, but that weld doesn't sound good.
 

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Is this what is happening? Loosen shaft some then dynamic jaw pops out, repeat. Disassemble & file the ways on the dynamic jaw slides, someone has most likely used the back as an anvil. Had to do that on 1/2 of my used record vises.. There was a record disassembly thread a couple of weeks ago. Easy to do. Will post the thread if I can find it.

FYI I have the following sizes of english records, 3, 4 (x2),5,6,& 8.
 

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That looks to be a non QR vice. There'll be a spring and washer behind the front of the slide. The pin has likely either fallen out else sheared.

If it was a quick release, the front collar which the release handle sits in is the only thing which holds the leadscrew in place.


Edit: I've added a photo to that post foghorn linked to, and tried to make the description a bit clearer.
 
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More pics. Model number is sq5
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Ok with the handle a quarter turn out I can move the jaw all the way open as soon as I start tightening it begins to close


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By the looks of that weld quality, use of a cold chisel should get most of that off.


Ok with the handle a quarter turn out I can move the jaw all the way open as soon as I start tightening it begins to close

So once you you give it a quarter turn, you can slide the front jaw out manually without touching the leadscrew again? That suggests a knacked screw or nut, but it would be unlikely that you could tighten it properly if so. Holding the front jaw whilst you try closing it should cause the screw to skip, if that is indeed the case.

You really need to get that stripped and checked, and post some more photo's on the underside and screw and nut if you can.
 
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Tightening is just fine no skipping even apply pressure to the front jaw When loosening I can slide the front jaw manually without touching the screw after I loosen a quarter turn


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Quirky fault. Definitely a strip down to find that. Can't think of anything which would cause those symptoms offhand. End of the day though, regardless of what's at fault, that should be sortable easily enough.
 
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I am not sure it's a fault I have seen a few posts of other record sq5 owners and they describe the same quick release as on mine
"I recently purchased a Record bench vise labeled as SQ5. It has 5 inch wide jaws, a small anvil behind the fixed jaw, cast in (fixed) pipe jaws below the standard ones and a non-swivel base.

It is unused although its manufacture must have been several years earlier...

There is a small pictorial on the moving jaw that shows how to open the jaws: turn the screw 360 degrees and pull the moveable jaw outwards - a quick release. To tighten is the reverse (I am guessing here as the other pictorial, if any were present,is missing): close the vise until the jaws and work are in contact and then turn the screw to achieve a firm grip?"


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Not a machanism I'm familiar with. The usual QR mechanism used has a handle at the front, just to the right of the leadscrew ball. That lever is pressed to drop the half nut from its engagement with the screw. That description you've posted is very similar to one I've seen occasionally on other vices, but never a Record. As far as I know, they always used a buttress thread leadscrew combined with the QR lever and half nut.

Again, photo's of the underside, screw and nut would be a vast help in trying to discern exactly what you have there, whether it be faulty or working as intended.
 
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Roof: I'm not sure exactly why Fretters is saying you don't have a quick release Record, but he has more knowledge than most about them. it does sound like yours is a quick release by the method you described so pictures will help a lot or maybe just use it if it works.
 

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Cheers for those photo's. :) That does look like a standard, non QR vice at first glance. That nut assembly does appear somewhat unusual though. I'd be intrigued to see some photo's of that unit completely disassembled, as it does seem that the nut may be, (bearing in mind it's hard to make out from that photo), split along its length vertically and hinged at the bottom. You have me intrigued now, for definite. :D The leadscrew also seems to be a much finer pitch than I'd expect to see.
 
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Perhaps some ambitious machinist converted it to a custom QR??

That's what I initially thought, but it appears it is an original feature. Been having a look on the search engines, and it does appear that the SQ5 had some form of quick release mechanism. Not been able to find any photo's of the mechanism though, so I'm assuming it'll likely be along similar lines to the setup shown in this link, on an unrelated vice:

http://lumberjocks.com/rance/blog/32817


Looks like the quick release on that SQ5 must have been an Irwin thing, unless Record were having a play with different ideas towards the end. Can't see Record breaking away from a tried and tested method though, as the Parkinson style quick release had been in use for around a century or so on vices, and was well proven to be a robust method.
 

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Roof: I'm not sure exactly why Fretters is saying you don't have a quick release Record...

Just to answer that and why the vice in this thread threw me off the scent somewhat, :D and in case anyone is wondering how to generally tell an English, (not sure what, if any, method you tend to use on the vices over there?), QR vice from a standard one, it's this lever, (the styling of the leadscrew collar and lever may vary slightly, but they're usually very similar no matter the brand or model), which is the giveaway.

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The wood vices usually just have the lever assembly going through the front jaw, just to the side of the leadscrew.

There are probably some variations, but that style is most common.
 
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Do I need to take it apart to lube it if so how do I go about it. I am working on cleaning up the weld on the jaw. One more question the lever is pretty dinged up. Any wat to clean it up


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Roof: you might be able to lube it without taking it apart if you don't want to. put some grease on the screw just behind or in front of the vise nut and turn the grease into the vise nut. also a little grease on the parts that rub to give it a little less friction.

Fretters: here's a picture of my newer Record that has the Quick Release and it didn't have that lever you mention that is on the older versions.
 

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Do I need to take it apart to lube it if so how do I go about it. I am working on cleaning up the weld on the jaw. One more question the lever is pretty dinged up. Any wat to clean it up

For the dings, just use a fine file to take off any burrs and then leave it as is. It's only cosmetic. Regarding lubrication, I'd be tempted to just use oil, with that nut. If the mechanism works how I suspect, I'm guessing that anything barring a very thin grease or oil might make that nuts action erratic.
 

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Fretters: here's a picture of my newer Record that has the Quick Release and it didn't have that lever you mention that is on the older versions.

Any chance of a photo of that nut assembly on yours Dean? Yours will be the same as Roof's. I'd love to have a look at one of those nuts and see how they've designed that setup. I've a fair idea how it probably looks, but that design honestly is a new one on me. :D Saying that though, I've never paid any of the latter day or Irwin Record's the slightest attention upto just, hence why I've never seen that setup before.
 
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I'm guessing this was a record made after Irwin took over but before they moved production overseas


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Fretters: wish I could post a picture. I forgot to take one before it went out the door with my 150 pound Peter Wright anvil.

PC or one of the guys with several records might have a picture to help.
 

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I'm guessing this was a record made after Irwin took over but before they moved production overseas

That's a good possibility. If you do ever have opportunity to take a photo of that nut assembly out of the vice, I'd appreciate it, btw. :) You've piqued my curiosity no end with that setup now. :D


Fretters: wish I could post a picture. I forgot to take one before it went out the door....

Honestly, what're you like.... :D
 

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Fretters: i know i regretted selling that Record as it was walking out the door. fortunately there were enough presidents in the total deal to make me smile. also the English steel on those newer Record vices is almost too shiny and my old US vises were not happy about that.

the other English vices have their own shelf in my "little" cabinet because they are gathering more troops lately. i just picked up a nice Paramo today.

Roof: i can't remember if your Record says made in England or Shefield or if it doesn't say either then probably Irwin's made in China vise.
 
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Drivesitfar it says "made in England"on one side and "Sheffield England" on the other


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Fretters I will try to get it apart this weekend. I am very curious to see the mechanism as well


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sounds like you have an English made vise and from the sounds of it also one with a quick release mechanism.

pictures always help and if you haven't taken one of those type of vises apart yet you might want to post several good pictures and ask Fretters and anybody else that has for a little advice.

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Does anyone know how to disassemble a record sq5 vise


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If it's owt like the standard styles, just take the slide/front jaw out and then there should be a pin tapped into the base, keeping the leadscrew nut in position, (can't remember offhand, but the leadscrew nut is probably dovetailed or suchlike). Looks like your's has some type of formed sheet metal clip at the rear too though, so not sure about that.
 

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Roof: i'm kicking this back up so maybe the boys in Canada with all the Record vices will see it to help you.

also can you do a before and after post on the Vise Repair 101 thread i started because you have a Record with a weld and a quick release? take up the first post with plenty of pictures and an explanation of the challenges and the weld. then quickly take the next post so you can do the after pictures and explain the repair or method of taking it apart and putting it back together. eventually i'm hoping it will be a good resource to find one thread with all the vise (vice) repair or maintenance answers. thanks for your help and best of luck taking yours apart and putting it back together.
 
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