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Red Iron erection question - Eave struts don't look right (30x50)

quakerj

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So I've got my Mueller 30x50 frame up, everything plumbed up nice, got temporary bracing installed and every bolt tightened in preparation for sheeting.

I didn't notice this at first, but while installing the sill/rake angle at the top of the endwalls, I noticed my eave struts do not match the roof pitch-- hardly at all. The tops of the eave struts are nearly pointing downhill. They should be going up with the roof pitch, am I correct? Also when viewed from either endwall, the eave struts are clearly pointing in toward the building, at a decent slope; I suspect they should be plumb.

This is my first foray into these lightweight steel structures, so it's been a bit of a learning curve, maybe I'm missing something. If I'm not mistaken, the wall panels bolt to the eave strut at the top? The slope of the eave struts in toward the building is such that I think it would crinkle the sheeting before it would pull the eave strut out.

I double, triple checked my plans. I'm no stranger to building with steel (I am a structural steel fabricator by trade) and am well versed in reading plans. I'm certain these eave struts are in the correct location. I have two marked ES1, and two marked ES2. An ES1 and ES2 put together span the 50' building sidewall. They are not interchangeable due to bolt pattern @ the ends, so it would be impossible to mix them up. I did the mental gymnastics in my head of what would happen if I swapped them to the other side of the building, and I'd have the same condition.

Anyone ever experience anything like this? I plan to call Mueller in the morning to see what they have to say. Attached are some photos, but the photos actually make it look better than it is. If I put a level on them, they are nowhere near plumb on the outside.

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chad215

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you are correct- the face (wall side) of the eave strut should be in plane (plumb) with the wall so the panels don't bend when you screw them down. The top and bottom legs should be on slope to match the roof. Looks like they rolled the eave struts to the wrong pitch. It's not entirely unheard of. Let Mueller know you need new eave struts.
 

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Can you flip the c-channel end-over-end so that the face that is facing the sky is now facing the ground?
 
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They are wrong. It happens from time to time. I always check the pitch when they are delivered so I can get new ones right away and not hold up erection. Call them. It won't be the first time they have had this problem and it isn't a Mueller thing. I have had the same problem from many manufacturers.
 
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quakerj

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They are wrong. It happens from time to time. I always check the pitch when they are delivered so I can get new ones right away and not hold up erection. Call them. It won't be the first time they have had this problem and it isn't a Mueller thing. I have had the same problem from many manufacturers.
You are right on the money. I called Mueller and they apologized, said it was probably a machine error or operator falling asleep at the wheel. They are going to send all new ones, 640 some odd pounds of steel. Bummer because this week is solid good weather which would have been great for insulating and sheeting.
 
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Sheet the end walls so you can keep going. I have done the side walls and didn’t put screws in the eave girt then swap them out later.
 
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quakerj

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Sheet the end walls so you can keep going. I have done the side walls and didn’t put screws in the eave girt then swap them out later.
The earliest Mueller can get new eave struts to me is a week from today, so next Monday.

Sheeting the sidewalls could be tricky as I need the eave strut in place for insulation. If I insulate/sheet the endwalls, I'll have a period of time before I can continue-- if it happens to rain, what protective measures do I need to do to keep the insulation from getting wet, the portion I already have installed. Or is the folded lap (cut fiberglass and fold vinyl over) at the top enough? Appreciate your help!
 
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