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waterss

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Mine is a 40x60 and I really have very few regrets. My biggest regret is not going taller, I'm at 14 1/2 feet now but I have a second floor. It is not not to bad and even my 6' son can walk around without hitting his head but it would've been nice to have the extra room. I did go with a quad plug but did it at every 8'. I only put 2 air line drops with a 50 hose reel with one drop having a quick connect teed in to use my 1' impacts. I should have put 1 more reel at far end of shop. I only put 1 welder plug and use a big extension cord rated for this. I always find myself with the cord stretched out so I wish I had more welder plugs. I do have a full bath in mine with a washer and dryer. The washer and dryer are to wash shop items that are oily so I don't mess up mama's inside. Super hard to keep it clean when you have dirty hands. I would have changed the sink area to use a industrial sink with the fixtures you use your knee to turn on the water.
 
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MoparTrucks

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I saved up for years and paid cash for a 32' x 24' pole barn shop with a concrete floor which was all I could afford at the time but like virtually everyone else I wish I had been able to go bigger and taller (I have 10' side walls).

What I did right:

1. Paid extra for a well done 6" concrete floor with drain and apron.

2. Added a covered front porch for the man door with a concrete pad; didn't cost much and I really enjoy it.

3. Added an 8' wide lean to on one side for equipment storage. I am currently enclosing one end of it for my compressor and for some storage.

4. I located it in a part of my property where I dedicated 3/4 of an acre for parking, equipment storage etc so I have lots of room and can expand if I ever have a rich relative I don't know of leave me a bundle.

5. We have had unprecedented rains and flooding in my area (highest rainfall since records were kept in 1835) but my shop location is in a perfect spot with excellent drainage and its been bone dry. This is something I can't stress enough with the increasingly crazy weather that seems to be the norm lately, I have a buddy with a new shop thats been flooded twice this year and he is sick about it.

6. I added two windows on one side and have a great view and they help with cross ventilation when the roll-up door is open.

Things I wish I had done different:

1. My thoughts and needs changed after I built it and its become a year round facility and I have had to add double bubble insulation after the fact.

2. My trusses arent designed for any loads on the bottom brace so I cant store anything in all that unused space high inside so I am having to build a frame within a frame for storage.

3. I installed an un-insulated garage door....big mistake that I will be correcting.

4. I had to save up for electrical service and am still adding outlets, lights etc. This is a good and bad thing as it would have been easier to have this done when it was first built but now almost 5 years into it my needs have been more refined and I know better what I want.

5. If you can afford it - go with spray foam insulation. I can't afford it but the couple pole barn shops I have been in with spray in foam insulation were really nice.
 

Kevin54

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Regrets......quite a few. One was not biting the bullet a number of years back and building bigger. The cost of building never goes down. When I built a 28'x36' years back, I had $13,000 in it. I am now adding on a 28'x36'x10' walls, and so far I have $27,000 in it, and not done yet. I have cedar siding to go, garage doors to go, labor to go, and that is nothing on the inside. No insulation, no drywall, no electric. BUT......I am coming in close to my budget that I figured, and I am $20,000 less than the contractors I spoke with before.

Other regrets.....no water, no bathroom. I would love to have a bathroom in the garage, and may still do so on down the road, but right now, it's not in the budget where I want to build one. Originally I also built a divided garage with a foundation wall between. Big mistake. After a few years, I tore the wall out to make more room in the garage. In doing so, it left the two floors at a different level by about flush to 3/8 of an inch. Just enough to screw things up as far as a floor is concerned.

Another regret....when I originally built the garage, I had no intentions of life changes. Today I can't get down on the floor to work due to shot knees, and only one good arm. when I built the garage, I could scoot under a car with no problem, so I scrimped on the budget and went with 8' walls with standard flat ceiling trusses. This time, I went with 10' walls with Scissor trusses. The reason for that was to maintain a structure that fits in the neighborhood without looking out of place. That, and if I went taller, I would have to file for a variance, which would take an extra 30 days timeframe. In looking at the garage today, it is proportioned to the house and landscaping, and any taller would look out of place. And if it looked out of place, it could possibly take away from the value of the property. With the 10' walls and Scissor trusses, I can still get a 2 post lift in and work on a vehicle. I may not be able to get my truck all the way up to get under it by standing, but I can still sit on a stool and change the oil, or I can rotate the tires on my truck. Momma's Olds, or her Solara should have no problem going high enough for me to get under.

Other than that....doing everything all at once would have been ideal. And like I said above.....doing a lot of things afterwards either never gets done, or it is just a pain in the *** to do. If I had bit the bullet before, I would have saved thousands of dollars on the addition, plus it wouldn't look so much like an addition. And remember, what you pay today, will be way cheaper than what you pay, for the same thing next year. Not only by hundreds, but maybe by thousands.

So sit back, make out a wish list as to what is wanted, and go for the gusto. Bigger is always better, and make things as big as what is affordable. Don't cut corners. If you think you can get by with 1000 square feet for your garage as a minimum, if allowed, go 1500 square feet or larger. that little bit of extra makes a world of difference. Shop around and see what a plumber cost and look into a bathroom, or at least a slop sink for washing up. I wished many a time that I had a large sink just to wash my hands in before tackling another task in the garage, but the way it is, I have to walk up to the house garage to wash up, or into the house to wash up.

And then you have all of the little things to consider when building. Not only the size, but things like enough electric, cable for TV, wireless or wired internet, airlines, storage, drywall vs. OSB......just things like that. And it's a lot of the little things that can be a real pain to do if it is an afterthought to do it. Just running a wire for an extra outlet, can be either an hour job, or a complete days job.

So think things out beforehand, and make a list of what you want. It's always easier to do things first when everything is tore up, than it is to come back and do things later.
 

Coyote556

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-Run water under the slab to the area near the door openings for pressure washing
-If you line the inside with barn metal, put more wood behind it so you will have something to fasten to, other than just 29ga metal
-Hold the concrete finishers to standard and make them pour low slump, instead of allowing it so wet (shrinkage cracks)
 

domer911

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I would have chosen my lift first, then designed the garage space around it.
 

brownbagg

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got talked into ten foot high walls, nope, I need at least 12-14, got talked into two post lift, hey its nice, but im tired of getting on my knees for the arms
 
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600SL

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I keep hearing "minimum of 14' ceilings for a lift"..... Been there, done that, and disagree.

If you are planning to heat / cool your shop you want the ceilings as low as possible to minimize the cu-ft of HVAC conditioned space.

Think outside the "box" (square box) concept:

Options:
  • Build a pole building and locate the hoist between trusses.
  • Use a ridge beam design to eliminate trusses all together in the hoist area.
  • Use scissor trusses.

We are currently building a 30' x 44' pole barn that has 9 foot side walls. With the 5-12 pitch and strategically located trusses it has adequate ceiling (roof) height to accommodate my 10k Rotary lift.

Example photo below (not mine).

I concur. I went with 10 ft side walls with a 15' peak. Lift location puts the high parts of the cars or trucks under the peak.
 

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Leoruiz

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The only regret I have is not building in an I-Beam for an overhead hoist.
That's mine, and something I'm sorting out now.
When I built it(1997) I could ****** up a 200 lb piece and carry it to a machine.
I'm getting close to old enough to having to BE carried to a machine myself.:sad:
 

600SL

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My only regret was spending too much money. I expected it to cost about $50,000 but it came in at about $85,000. And then another $5000 for pallet racks, benches and pegboard.
 

marctheprop

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LIGHT-Yes I screamed that. My eyes are not as good as they used to be(something called ageing?) and I find more light lets me do better work. I adore natural light but I found it easier to add new fluorescents (T-5) than to cut in windows. I did put in a toilet and a slop sink-the only regret there is now my wife is comfortable in the shop which occasionally makes it difficult to sneak in new tools etc. Good luck with your build and be sure to post pictures!
P.S.-Almost anything you do will be cheaper/easier to do now than later. If you KNOW you're going to do it and it will not break the bank , do it now.
 
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kwb

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Orientation on the lot.
I was building for toys (trailered toys) so tall was already in the plan but backing the trailer in is always a pain since I only have ~40' of property in front of the shop and trailers have been in the 30-35' range.

Had I sited it another way I could have had basically unlimited length to back in straight. I wanted to leave a good sized yard between house and shop and not be an extra 70-80' of utility runs.

Also wish I had done a true footer/stem wall instead of a Monolithic Slab if for no other reason a hard "baseboard" would be good for the forklift to bump instead of conventional framing.
 

xyster101

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My garage is 2 years old and not done, BUT I did a lot of research here and did this:

1. 4 Outlets per gang box. Left outlets one circuit, right outlets another
2. 2 120V circuits per side of garage
3. Huge house sized electric panel (you can leave it empty, but can't make it bigger)
4. Water. Dug the electric trench deeper and ran 2.5", 1.5", 4" pipes for adding things from the house.
5. Radient pex pipe in floor. Might not use it, but it was $300
6. If you plan to HVAC, insulate well. You only do it once
7. Framed out extra man door and covered it up. If I ever need it I know where it is.
8. Rafters instead of trusses, added 1,200 sq/ft of attic storage
9. Dry well drain in floor

Regrets:
1. More pictures to know where things are
2. Extra 4" perf pipe around foundation (did one, but if it ever clogs)
3. Planned better for expenses. I figured $40k, I am around $50k and doing the work myself
4. 2 feet wider (ceiling joists would have gone up 30% to go from 24' to 26')

Permits. . while they are needed my house assessment went up $50k and my taxes went up $1,500 a year!
 
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