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Removing fake wood beams from a ceiling

manwithtools

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This is a bit of a how to explanation along with some reserved disbelief on how people sometimes do shoddy home improvement projects.

This all started about three weeks ago when my SIL was removing some long ago applied vinyl wall covering that was on top of 1/4" wood paneling in their 1970's ranch style home. While removing it, he discovered mold on the surface of the paneling, so decided to rip out all the paneling from that wall. In the process he discovered more light mold on the surface of the insulation. After removal of all the insulation and paneling, everything was thoroughly cleaned with bleach. Honestly there was very little mold on the framing members, almost all was confined to the paneling and insulation. Source of moisture appeared to ba a long ago leaky roof. New roof 10 years ago shows no sign of leaks along that wall.

SIL is not very accomplished in drywall finishing, but a hard working true DIY kind of guy. So I volunteered to do the finshing. I ended up doing most of the hanging as he is a bit of a perfectionist and it turns out that's not the best attribute to have when comes to hanging drywall. :)

Some pics of the wall, new lumber above the fireplace was to replace water damaged wood from MANY years ago.

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So that brings us to the beams, you can see two of them in the above pictures. There were 5 in total and they really had a random pattern of installation; we found out later why that was. Two covered previous wall top plates, one covered an abandoned electrical box for a ceiling light. SIL has always hated the beams because they made the 8 foot ceilings seem even lower. I noticed the same thing when I first saw them, but never said anything.

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So me being me, I said "You know, while you have all this construction mess, it would be a good time to take those fake beams down and repair that ceiling" After some back and forth, they decided to go for it.

Holy Scope creep Batman! They are now replacing all the interior doors and door and window and baseboard trim as well...

After removing the boxed cedar boards that made up the faux beams, we discovered a really poor attempt at a flitch beam that spanned 16ft across the living room with 1-1/2" of sag. They had simply removed all the studs and then attached a 1/4" x 5" steel plate to the sides of the top plates via 1/2" bolts. Welded angle iron brackets held the end of the plate and were attached to the adjoining walls.

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Now for the real work, temporary walls to support the ceiling and then the installation of double 9-1/4" LVL's fastened together with Simpson Structural Screws. We then used Bessey K-Body clamps to pull each joist and hanger up flush to the bottom of the new beam before fastening the joist hanger to the beam. The ceiling is now flat.

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We also tore out the cased jamb entry to hallway, further providing the appearance of openness in the room. Then it was onto drywall repair to hide all the previous sins (the original drywall finshing was abhorrent!) and the demolition. Oh, the fireplace got a lime wash and new slate hearth as well. I also built a new mantel - progress picture below:

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At this time all the drywall is repaired, including the removal of all the crown molding and associated repair of those drywall areas. I also fixed all the really visible seams in the hallway and living room while I was at it. Yesterday was time for paint, my work was done. All in it was two weeks plus of 4-8 hour days for me and 8-10 hour days for the SIL.

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BTW: This was my first time using 20 Minute "Hot Mud". I'm a convert, it made the drywall finshing process much faster. I also purchased a Festool Planex sander to go with my Festool dust extractor, virtually no drywall dust in this project. I hate to sand drywall and that has elevated my finishing skills, but the sander was a game changer.

So this was all time that I did not work on my shop project, but it felt so good to help out the daughter and SIL, two of the hardest working young folks I know!
 
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That’ll teach ya to open your mouth Dan 😆

Nice job bud and good on you busting *** thru the worst of it. My daughter’s washer decided to destroy the bottom floor of the house a couple weeks back. Now there’s no kitchen, laundry or den left after the demo guys ripped everything out plus the bottom 2ft of drywall.

Long story short I guess I’m going to need to go over in a couple weeks and put it all back together since the contractor that talked them into this instant rip it all out, we’ll have it all back together in 2 months is now telling them 6 months. 😡
 

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My parents house had ~4x6” wood beams on the kitchen ceiling as did the rest of the homes in the tract subdivision of 1958-60 vintage.

Fortunately theirs were just beams that were lagged from the attic after drywall.

We took them out as did many of the neighbors.

Remodeling is always a PIA when all the sins and compromises are discovered. New construction is actually quite easy.
 

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This is a bit of a how to explanation along with some reserved disbelief on how people sometimes do shoddy home improvement projects.

This all started about three weeks ago when my SIL was removing some long ago applied vinyl wall covering that was on top of 1/4" wood paneling in their 1970's ranch style home. While removing it, he discovered mold on the surface of the paneling, so decided to rip out all the paneling from that wall. In the process he discovered more light mold on the surface of the insulation. After removal of all the insulation and paneling, everything was thoroughly cleaned with bleach. Honestly there was very little mold on the framing members, almost all was confined to the paneling and insulation. Source of moisture appeared to ba a long ago leaky roof. New roof 10 years ago shows no sign of leaks along that wall.

SIL is not very accomplished in drywall finishing, but a hard working true DIY kind of guy. So I volunteered to do the finshing. I ended up doing most of the hanging as he is a bit of a perfectionist and it turns out that's not the best attribute to have when comes to hanging drywall. :)

Some pics of the wall, new lumber above the fireplace was to replace water damaged wood from MANY years ago.

PXL_20250909_194244259.jpg


PXL_20250909_194238170.jpg


So that brings us to the beams, you can see two of them in the above pictures. There were 5 in total and they really had a random pattern of installation; we found out later why that was. Two covered previous wall top plates, one covered an abandoned electrical box for a ceiling light. SIL has always hated the beams because they made the 8 foot ceilings seem even lower. I noticed the same thing when I first saw them, but never said anything.

IMG_3497.jpg

So me being me, I said "You know, while you have all this construction mess, it would be a good time to take those fake beams down and repair that ceiling" After some back and forth, they decided to go for it.

Holy Scope creep Batman! They are now replacing all the interior doors and door and window and baseboard trim as well...

After removing the boxed cedar boards that made up the faux beams, we discovered a really poor attempt at a flitch beam that spanned 16ft across the living room with 1-1/2" of sag. They had simply removed all the studs and then attached a 1/4" x 5" steel plate to the sides of the top plates via 1/2" bolts. Welded angle iron brackets held the end of the plate and were attached to the adjoining walls.

PXL_20250914_161849025 (1).jpg

PXL_20250914_161833373.jpg

PXL_20250914_161812963.jpg


Now for the real work, temporary walls to support the ceiling and then the installation of double 9-1/4" LVL's fastened together with Simpson Structural Screws. We then used Bessey K-Body clamps to pull each joist and hanger up flush to the bottom of the new beam before fastening the joist hanger to the beam. The ceiling is now flat.

PXL_20250916_220359205.jpg

We also tore out the cased jamb entry to hallway, further providing the appearance of openness in the room. Then it was onto drywall repair to hide all the previous sins (the original drywall finshing was abhorrent!) and the demolition. Oh, the fireplace got a lime wash and new slate hearth as well. I also built a new mantel - progress picture below:

PXL_20250925_200928916.jpg

At this time all the drywall is repaired, including the removal of all the crown molding and associated repair of those drywall areas. I also fixed all the really visible seams in the hallway and living room while I was at it. Yesterday was time for paint, my work was done. All in it was two weeks plus of 4-8 hour days for me and 8-10 hour days for the SIL.

PXL_20250924_190124725.jpg

PXL_20250924_190127061.jpg

BTW: This was my first time using 20 Minute "Hot Mud". I'm a convert, it made the drywall finshing process much faster. I also purchased a Festool Planex sander to go with my Festool dust extractor, virtually no drywall dust in this project. I hate to sand drywall and that has elevated my finishing skills, but the sander was a game changer.

So this was all time that I did not work on my shop project, but it felt so good to help out the daughter and SIL, two of the hardest working young folks I know!
Very nice!
 

MovingAlong

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Lotta work for sure!

We've got similar beams in our living room.
I hate em.

While the OPs solution is great of course, I'd have repainted the ceiling (and beams) white first. Step back and look at it for 4-5 days (or years) then see what you feel like doing. ;)
 

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Now for the real work, temporary walls to support the ceiling and then the installation of double 9-1/4" LVL's fastened together with Simpson Structural Screws. We then used Bessey K-Body clamps to pull each joist and hanger up flush to the bottom of the new beam before fastening the joist hanger to the beam. The ceiling is now flat.

PXL_20250916_220359205.jpg

We also tore out the cased jamb entry to hallway, further providing the appearance of openness in the room. Then it was onto drywall repair to hide all the previous sins (the original drywall finshing was abhorrent!) and the demolition. Oh, the fireplace got a lime wash and new slate hearth as well. I also built a new mantel - progress picture below:

Nice work with the laminated beams. Did you do engineering calculations or just use the largest ones that would fit? It certainly looks plenty strong!

Would love to see the pics of the fireplace and mantel too.. :coffee:(y)
 
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Dan, lotta work but in the end it is done correctly. I quit volunteering to help, but still get dragged in. on the bright side you got to buy new tools and look at all those Bessey clamps!
Good on you!
 
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Nice work with the laminated beams. Did you do engineering calculations or just use the largest ones that would fit?
I did the calcs and decided to use two so that they were the same thickness as the 2 x 4 top plates that were removed. That way the joists and joist hangers would reach the beams properly. We also strapped the beam and joists together to prevent any displacement of the walls latter on.

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Quite the project. It certainly fits the scope creep category. I'm also a strong supporter of doing it all and doing it right once you start making a mess.

Looks like the previous owners did a hack open concept floor plan conversion and later scraped the popcorn ceiling. I always wonder how many of those open floor plan conversions are done with similar practices. It's pretty hard to remove a load bearing wall without adding some pretty serious structure. Most of those projects focus on making things pretty.

I'm curious how you carried the load down at the ends of the beam?
 
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I'm curious how you carried the load down at the ends of the beam?
It just so happened there were wall corners at each end of the beam, so two studs and blocking between them at each end of the beam. We added some crush blocks under the flooring down to the beam that spans the middle of the house, just for insurance. Thought process was; if the old flitch beam did not cause any issues with weight on those corner studs then neither would the new beam. The total weight carried by the new beam is less than 1000 lbs, including the LVL's, joists and drywall.
 
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one of my first improvement projects was removing the badly done false beams in the dining room and hallway... still have them in the kitchen and the smaller guest bedrooms. Not sure I'll ever rid myself of them completely :)
 

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Looks good!
We considered ripping out a wall between the kitchen and livingroom and end up with one large room, but I got old and tired before it happened! The ceiling would have ended up very similar to your project, your corrections any way.
 

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It just so happened there were wall corners at each end of the beam, so two studs and blocking between them at each end of the beam. We added some crush blocks under the flooring down to the beam that spans the middle of the house, just for insurance. Thought process was; if the old flitch beam did not cause any issues with weight on those corner studs then neither would the new beam. The total weight carried by the new beam is less than 1000 lbs, including the LVL's, joists and drywall.
I'm impressed. It sounds like you did it right.
I've dealt with way too many lipstick remodels. Those repairs usually go down the same path you took if you want it done right.
My wife even jokes about my approach. She says most people wouldn't even notice that it's done right. Sadly, she is correct.
 
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