Wondering what pannel I should get and if it needa a disconnect and if the ground and nuetral need to be bonded. pannel in there now looks to be bonded. See pic. Power comes from some kind of old fuse disconnect that comes straight out of meter see Pic. then to shed
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Repacing braker pannel in shed
- Thread starter delo1031
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mike93lx
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All subpanels must be unbonded. You also need 2 ground rods. But is this a dedicated service? Then it's bonded with a three wire feeder and 2 ground rods
Yes do a main breaker panel
Yes do a main breaker panel
mike93lx
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I wouldn't retain that disconnect. Is this being inspected? Where do you live?
wyliesdiesels
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yeah someone screwed up on this.
the disconnect is where the neutral is bonded. that CH panel is a subpanel NOT the main panel and therefore should have isolated neutral
I would get a meter main and make sure to unbond the CH panel and add a ground bar to move the grounds off the neutral bar.
the disconnect is where the neutral is bonded. that CH panel is a subpanel NOT the main panel and therefore should have isolated neutral
I would get a meter main and make sure to unbond the CH panel and add a ground bar to move the grounds off the neutral bar.
mark flucke
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Wisconsin has inspection
Looking at this, I wonder where the disconnect is getting it's power from?yeah someone screwed up on this.
the disconnect is where the neutral is bonded. that CH panel is a subpanel NOT the main panel and therefore should have isolated neutral
I would get a meter main and make sure to unbond the CH panel and add a ground bar to move the grounds off the neutral bar.
$1 on double tapped in the meter...
The disconnect is getting power from the meterLooking at this, I wonder where the disconnect is getting it's power from?
$1 on double tapped in the meter...
That's why I was wondering about the new pannel in shed. Is it considered a sub pannel or like a main for ground and nuetral wires
Your disconnect is the 1st point of disconnect, and should be fed by 3 wires.The disconnect is getting power from the meter
That's why I was wondering about the new pannel in shed. Is it considered a sub pannel or like a main for ground and nuetral wires
The shed, fed from the disconnect, needs 4 wires and is a sub panel. The neutral and ground cannot be bonded.
What I'm questioning is how that disconnect is fed from the meter. I suspect it is done in a not very safe, and possibly illegal, way.
Your disconnect is the 1st point of disconnect, and should be fed by 3 wires.
The shed, fed from the disconnect, needs 4 wires and is a sub panel. The neutral and ground cannot be bonded.
What I'm questioning is how that disconnect is fed from the meter. I suspect it is done in a not very safe, and possibly illeg
Your disconnect is the 1st point of disconnect, and should be fed by 3 wires.
The shed, fed from the disconnect, needs 4 wires and is a sub panel. The neutral and ground cannot be bonded.
What I'm questioning is how that disconnect is fed from the meter. I suspect it is done in a not very safe, and possibly illegal, wa
There is 4 wires feeding the shed from the disconnect. As gar as the feed from the meter don't know how that was done I'm guessing from the 70sYour disconnect is the 1st point of disconnect, and should be fed by 3 wires.
The shed, fed from the disconnect, needs 4 wires and is a sub panel. The neutral and ground cannot be bonded.
What I'm questioning is how that disconnect is fed from the meter. I suspect it is done in a not very safe, and possibly illegal, way.
wyliesdiesels
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if thats the case then someone screwed up on that CH panel as the grounds should be on a separate bar. Also, the neutrals are doubled and tripled on numerous lugs. also a no no.There is 4 wires feeding the shed from the disconnect. As gar as the feed from the meter don't know how that was done I'm guessing from the 70s
I cant tell if the neutral bar is bonded but wouldnt surprise me if it was
honestly that whole install from the meter pan to the subpanel leaves much to be desired and is why i would just replace with a meter main.
Fuse size is dependent on the size of the wire feeding the subpanel, I have a feeling that 60 is to big already.Ok thanks. Also do I need a bigger fuse at the disconnect since I am putting in a bigger sub pannel. Righ now it has a 60 amp fuse
bigger sub panel is not what determines breaker size. the wire size does that.Ok thanks. Also do I need a bigger fuse at the disconnect since I am putting in a bigger sub pannel. Righ now it has a 60 amp fuse
have you actually calculated what your loads will be to determine the amperage you need in the shed?
mike93lx
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A disconnect can be oversized as it's purpose is to disconnect not provide overcurrent protection.Fuse size is dependent on the size of the wire feeding the subpanel, I have a feeling that 60 is to big already.
but I assume he is referencing the fused disconnect upstream of , and feeding the panelA disconnect can be oversized as it's purpose is to disconnect not provide overcurrent protection.
OccupantRJ
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If you are concerned only about having a 60 amp feed, my shop runs off 60 amps feeding a 125 amp sub panel. I have a machine shop room with lathe, milling machine, grinder, drill press, security system, vertical bandsaw, wifi router. The main shop room has 2 welders, 8 grinders, two portabands, horizontal band saw, two 5 hp air compressors, TV, 5 hp flywheel grinder, 240 volt blast cabinet, 120 volt blast cabinet, and about 50 power tools, along with a heat pump. I have no issue running my shop off 60 amps, because you rarely run many things at a time. This is speaking only to 60 amps, not to the type wiring you have on premises.