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Went to use my Thor impact the other day and air just blew through it. I got the job done, but I want to get this sorted out, but I have never actually taken an air tool apart before. Any guidance on what I may need to fix inside it? I am no sort of professional tool user just a guy that works on his own stuff sometimes so any help is appreciated.
 
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First drop about 5 drops of Marvel Mystery oil into the inlet, then attach it to air and spin it up. The vanes become gummed up from sitting around or using the wrong oils to lubricate it. If that is the issue you will hear it ramp up in speed. Unless the vanes are worn clean out and the bearings are dry, not much to drag one down. I worked on a few at my job. I only use MMM to lube mine. It also comes in a small squirt container. No need to buy large volumes.
 
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First drop about 5 drops of Marvel Mystery oil into the inlet, then attach it to air and spin it up. The vanes become gummed up from sitting around or using the wrong oils to lubricate it. If that is the issue you will hear it ramp up in speed. Unless the vanes are worn clean out and the bearings are dry, not much to drag one down. I worked on a few at my job. I only use MMM to lube mine. It also comes in a small squirt container. No need to buy large volumes.
The only oil I use in my air tools is a bottle of "air tool oil" that I suspect I got from Harbor Freight. That is about gone so I probably need to upgrade anyway. I have heard that ATF is a good substitute and I have some in the shop, any thoughts on that?
 

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The only oil I use in my air tools is a bottle of "air tool oil" that I suspect I got from Harbor Freight. That is about gone so I probably need to upgrade anyway. I have heard that ATF is a good substitute and I have some in the shop, any thoughts on that?
I imagine it probably doesn't matter too much what type of oil you use, just so long as it's thin enough, and you actually use it periodically. I've been using the same (1/2 gallon?) container of air tool oil for probably 10 years, I just put a little bit of it in either an eye droper (with a magnet clued ot the bottom, so that it doesn't tip over when using it 1 handed), or an oil can dispenser. Used to use the dropper, have now switched to the oil can dispenser a year ago or so.

How dry is the air coming out of the hose? that might be your problem, if you have fairly moist air. If you have alot of water in the lines, I would put a few drops of oil in the tools and blip the throttle once or twice when you are done using them, so that they sit with oil in them instead of just moisture.
 
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The only oil I use in my air tools is a bottle of "air tool oil" that I suspect I got from Harbor Freight. That is about gone so I probably need to upgrade anyway. I have heard that ATF is a good substitute and I have some in the shop, any thoughts on that?
If they sit for a bit especially in a environment that gets cold/warm they develop moisture inside which reacts with the oil and gums them up, I've used liquid wrench/blaster/kroil before but Marvel will also work and trying that sure beats having to tear in apart to clean it up.
 
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The only oil I use in my air tools is a bottle of "air tool oil" that I suspect I got from Harbor Freight. That is about gone so I probably need to upgrade anyway. I have heard that ATF is a good substitute and I have some in the shop, any thoughts on that?
You could try a shot of WD40, run it a bit, then follow with a few drops of ATF. The rpm will tell you if it improves function.
 

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The only oil I use in my air tools is a bottle of "air tool oil" that I suspect I got from Harbor Freight. That is about gone so I probably need to upgrade anyway. I have heard that ATF is a good substitute and I have some in the shop, any thoughts on that?
Air tool oil is single use. It goes in and gets blown out. So you want something that doesn't smell (so no to ATF), and don't need anything especially good (there's no need for additives, etc.). MMO is a good solvent at breaking down varnishy gunk, and I've had great luck with their air tool oil, but HF air tool oil is fine too.

However, for a stuck tool, you want an extra thin penetrating oil. Spray that in and give it some air to circulate the oil, and then give it a chance to loosen any gummed up oil, and you may just get it moving. Then with the air disconnected, put on a socket and turn it a few times to move the rotor around. More penetrating oil, more air, more turning and maybe let it sit overnight. Try this before disassembly.

As for disassembly, these are almost all the same. There's usually four LONG screws that hold the back cap onto the hammer casing, just like how the end bells are bolted onto an induction motor. Take these off, wiggle off the back cap (paying attention to the orientation of the cap and any gaskets between it and the air motor housing, and the rotor usually comes straight out the back. Clean out and oil the vane pockets and vanes, and reassemble.

The other possibility is something failed in the trigger valve. Usually it's an o-ring or a seal.

First drop about 5 drops of Marvel Mystery oil into the inlet, then attach it to air and spin it up. The vanes become gummed up from sitting around or using the wrong oils to lubricate it. If that is the issue you will hear it ramp up in speed. Unless the vanes are worn clean out and the bearings are dry, not much to drag one down. I worked on a few at my job. I only use MMM to lube mine. It also comes in a small squirt container. No need to buy large volumes.
Yep. As for wearing out the vanes, I'll bet just about anything that's not the case. I know someone who professionally did tire changes for some years who wore out numerous sockets, and when I disassembled the impact that did it all, the micrometer confirmed no measurable vane wear. I was planning on fully rebuilding it, but a good cleaning was all that was needed.
 

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What did you have your air pressure set at? How long/size of hose?

If wd40 doesn't get it, it's probably going to need to be opened up.
 

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I once bought a heap of new 1" impacts ,they appeared to be well made ,but just plain would not work ......air just blew thru them ,they turned some ,but would not hammer .......I checked for stuff like housings backwards ,nope............one was an extended anvil ,and it did work well enough to do the wheel nuts on my crane ......certainly didnt put out anywhere near the whack of a proper 1 " impact.............anyhoo,I must have another look at the ones I have left ..............I sold most of them to one guy ,and when I asked him if he knew they didnt work,he said .."Hey ,no problems "
 
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What did you have your air pressure set at? How long/size of hose?

If wd40 doesn't get it, it's probably going to need to be opened up.
The air pressure is set at about 135psi which is max for my compressor. 3/4" rapid air about 80 feet or so to 50 feet of 3/8" hose.

After reading though this thread I am going to hit it with some WD-40 then a few drops of Marvel Mystery along with some spinning by hand and see what happens. If that doesn't work then I guess it will come apart and manual scrubbing will happen. From reading here it doesn't sound like disassembly will be necessary though.
 

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https://blasterproducts.com/product/air-tool-conditioner/ shake up the can and flood tool with it let it set a few minuets and blow away from you or anything you care about getting covered. Because when you last used it and it worked they don't break setting still but they do rust up very quickly if they get water in them. I have used this stuff or Marvel air tool oil or Lucas are tool oil. Some o rings don't like some spray oils in some air tools had to put a kit in a friends IR after whatever he was using made the directional buttons and power adjustment dial very stiff and hard to move so I don't say whatever you got as none of the stuff I listed is pricey at all and they all work well. If the vanes are stuck you can also usually remove back cover and clean them up with out ruining gaskets or o rings on most impacts.
 

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The vanes can be stuck hard in the rotor ......if you pull it apart ,be sure to get the bits back the same as it was..............we always made new vanes from sheet micarta material for all our air tools..
 
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