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cpttuna

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I will try and make this simple. I want to replace 4 2bulb fixtures in my 25 year old garage. they are hardwired (2 to a circuit). the garage is 20x20 and the lights sit just after the door is up 2on one side and 2 on the other. I think I prefer LED and just need a part # from home depot, menard's or lowe's.
 
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That is one course of action. Another is to get the opinions of those who may be a little more knowledgeable on the subject than myself.
 

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You will get opinions on the different brand or manufacturer of lights from people, and some will say XYZ brand is best and ABC brand *****, and some will say ABC brand is best and XYZ brand *****.

The 4 foot LED shop lights have not been around all that long yet, so trying to be objective about their longevity is going to be merely someone's guess at this point, and not fact.

If I was you, I would do your homework and compare some of the 4 foot shop lights to each other and see which ones put out the most lumens, which ones use the most watts to put out those lumens, and how much each brand of light costs to put out those lumens.

Example, I was looking at some 60 watt equivalent A19 base screw in, soft white LED bulbs at Home Depot and Lowes to replace some bulbs in my garage door openers. One manufacturer said their 8.5 watt A19 screw in LED bulb put out 800 lumens, while another manufacturer says there 10 watt A19 screw in LED bulb puts out 700 lumens.

So the lumens per watt are different, as is the cost for each bulb. But they were both supposed to be equivalent to an old 60 watt incandescent bulb.

Just do your research, and buy the shop lights from a place that you can return them to if they are not what you are looking for in light output, and if any of them burn out after a short period of time, like some of the cheaper brand LED bulbs do.

For reference, my garage lighting is set up exactly the same as yours, with 4 foot shop lights on each side of each garage door track. I also have an extra 4 foot shop light at the back of each garage bay so that when the hood of the cars is up, there is a light right there above the engine compartment.

Jim
 
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There is the easy solution of buying ready to hang stuff which can be quite good or not. Or you could use the same fixtures you have adapted to no ballast LED tubes.

For the most part a reputable name with the fixture or kit that gives the light you need and is supported by the maker is fine.

If the fixtures you have are not too plowed up and ugly it may be more fun to just rebuild them.
 

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I've been happy with two kinds of fixtures in the shop, both seem like a nice upgrade from what I had.

Agro brite from Amazon, this is a 4tube T5HO fixture

Feit LED Shop Light from CostCo.

A possible downside: Neither are hard wired, they both have a std 5-15 male plug on a short cord.
 
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cpttuna - Questions:

1. Why are you looking to replace the existing fixtures and/or bulbs?
2. Does the light output and fixture location of your current setup suit your needs?
3. Is there a reason you're limiting yourself to what I assume are local brick and mortar retailers?
4. Are the current fixtures bare bulb strip lights or do they have a wrapped lens?
5. What's the condition of the existing fixture housings, lamp holders, lenses (if they have lenses)?
6. Are the existing fixtures older magnetic ballasts with T12 lamps or newer electronic ballasts with T8 lamps?
7. Are you comfortable with basic electrical work?
8. Does this project have a budget?
9. Does aesthetics matter?

Note to other posters: cpttuna did not say "shop lights". He has 4 existing hardwired fixtures. Adapting a corded shop light to a hardwired application is an unnecessary inconvenience.

FYI: Simply removing the lenses of a wrapped fixture and washing them can have an amazing impact on light output.
 
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these are bare fixtures. One set takes about 3 minutes to come on. Compared to the new LED bulbs I've seen different places, I want to improve my garage lighting. all the fixtures are intact. I assume the ballasts are going out. I'm not limiting myself to local box stores.
 

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I am using 12 of the 100 watt CFL's and I am quite happy with them. I think they use something like 34 watts each and I have 4 rows of 3 lights and each row i s on a switch so I can turn on the lights I want and leave the rest off if I want to. I normally turn them all on, but I do have the option of just turning on the ones over the area in which I will be working. I also have the option of replacing the CFL bulbs with LED bulbs if I want to.
 

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I get "make it simple". Some of us, like me, have a hard time with that. But here goes...

Given that keeping it simple means good but not optimum, here's the fixtures without bulbs:

Menards:
4 ea: https://www.menards.com/main/lighti...t8-residential-striplight/p-1444427444276.htm

OR 2 ea: https://www.menards.com/main/lighti...em-commercial-strip-light/p-1444427443557.htm

Home Depot:
4 ea: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Lithonia...rescent-Strip-Light-C-2-32-120-GESB/100543144

OR 2 ea: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Lithonia...rip-Light-TUNS-2-32-MVOLT-1-4-GEBHL/202193181

Lowes:

4 ea: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Metalux-SN...ht-Common-4-ft-Actual-2-75-in-x-48-in/3335372

OR 2 ea: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Metalux-SS...Common-8-ft-Actual-4-25-in-x-96-in/1000111357

The 8 ft tandem fixtures (4 bulbs, each 4 ft long, arranged 2 x2), which are listed after "OR 2 ea", might save you some money at the expense of more even distribution. You could spend even less, but only by about $5 per fixture, if you wanted to shop around.

Keeping with the simplicity theme, I'd recommend you buy flourescent bulbs to start with, then change to LED bulbs when the ballasts or lamps fail. AFAIK, the big box stores sell only "direct replacement" LED bulbs, which means they use the existing ballast. And are not as efficient as direct-wire, ballast-free LED bulbs. But you could choose to buy the direct replacement LED bulbs initially. Maybe others will chime in on that.

By the way, everything I know about LED lights I've learned from "platonic solid" and cyberdyke. (Thanks!) I highly recommend you read post #1 of platonic solid's sticky, "The best light fixture ever". Great info. But beware...it's a slippery slope away from simple!
 
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Not a shop but a conversion to LED from CFL and traditional bulbs was done in my home. Mostly screw base bulb types and a few flat panel fixtures but what a difference.

A bunch of brands of bulbs as well as wattages were tried at first but it didn't take long to see the light.

We knew a 9w bright white was what worked for us. Not directional nor harsh on the eyes made the difference. The non vented run a little hotter but do not fill with dead gnats. A plus in the lower floor.

Avoid soft white as it is kinda yellow in reality and not pleasant in an inexplicable way.

With any more numbers than the ones leaving my pocket and a kit of help from the local HD for stocking the stuff, we figured it out. Based on our visual comfort and ideas of how we want to present the house to guests.

Any space including a garage can be well lit now. But as this tech is ever changing and hopefully improving we shall see how it holds to the test of time.
 
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Replaced my traditional screw in bulbs in the shop with with 16 watt daylight led bulbs, got rid of a couple fluorescent fixtures from the 1970's and replaced them with screw in bulb fixtures. If a bulb goes bad or gets dim take it out, toss it, put a new one in and you have light again in a matter of a few minutes with minimum damage to the wallet.
 
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