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Request for interest: garage LED lighting

Engine-Ear

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Hi everyone,

Although we are best known for the RediRad, we are considering branching out into shop lighting, using LEDs.

These little critters make a lot of light, can be used as under-cabinet and/or indirect illumination and we believe that the time right for this in the enthusiast's garage.

But what say you? Is there any interest and/or curiosity among the G/J faithful? Please post your feedback here, as it will help decide whether to proceed. Ryan, if we decide to proceed, we will give a special discount to the Garage Journal members as a thanks for the feedback.

As for the rest of you gearheads, please tell us what you think!

~Matt
 
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Kevin54

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Hi everyone,

Although we are best known for the RediRad, we are considering branching out into shop lighting, using LEDs.

These little critters make a lot of light, can be used as under-cabinet and/or indirect illumination and we believe that the time right for this in the enthusiast's garage.

But what say you? Is there any interest and/or curiosity among the G/J faithful? Please post your feedback here, as it will help decide whether to proceed. Ryan, if we decide to proceed, we will give a special discount to the Garage Journal members as a thanks for the feedback.

As for the rest of you gearheads, please tell us what you think!

~Matt

Any link to anything?
 

gatchel

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As always, it comes down to lumens per watt for what price. None of the other big players have made it cost effective for a limited use garage to have LED lighting. If you can do that, you'll have more than Garagejournal.com interested, I'm sure...
 

ForceFed70

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I dont see how you can make it cost effective for regular overhead lighting. None of the other players have been able to do it and they are manufacturing their own LEDs.
 

justsam

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Good timing!

I have recently come to the conclusion that I need more lighting in my 30' by 50' garage and I want to start with some under counter bench lighting. Our kitchen has several under counter CFLs which do indeed provide good localized light. It just seems that we should be on the cusp of an LED solution, and I really do not want to invest in CFLs if LED is ready for prime time, and not just a token closet level light. I am willing to pay the price for better light since age has a way of making things dimmer!

I have 8' florescent ceiling lights, that I know there is no practical LED solution for yet, but that too may change. I'll start with under counter/workbench.
 

froman6

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I'm looking for lighting for my gragae project and way looking at going with LEDs. All I have now is 2 100w bulbs and sore eyes ;)
 
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Engine-Ear

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Wow thanks for all the tentative interest and sagely words of caution (light output vs. CO$T)!

Please also accept my apologies for the delayed reply to this thread.

As December unfolds, I will both be sending some PMs to you as well as providing updates to this endeavor.

Belated Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!!
 
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N0tt0N

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Definitely interested. Been looking at the Cree CR14s but the are very expensive and still require additional components (interfaces, power packs) to work with dimmers.
 
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Engine-Ear

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I am looking at both Cree (based here in Wisconsin - prefer to keep it as local as possible!) and Nichicon.

I have LED lighting system power supply design experience so what I am considering is a system. Perhaps putting together a checklist for people to order what they want (number of strings of LEDs, intended application (high-intensity, indirect/backlighting, etc.), etc.

Probably by January I will have some things on paper; after that I will approach some of you who have expressed interest to test the prototypes in your garages.

Thanks, gents.
 

Cobra5150

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As before it comes down to cost vs. output vs. ease of installation. Subbing to this one, I missed it earlier.
 

redlinetoys

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Certainly LED lighting is going to be of great interest to all of us in the future as we come to terms with being able to get bright lighting accompanied with very low energy use ($$$). If you travel much in Europe, it is interesting to see what is happening over there, mostly due to the very high cost of energy.

The problems I see are exactly what has already been mentioned... Cost and brightness, along with reliability, and in some locations, the ability to dim.

I have been working on lighting for two factories and we finally decided to go with 6 bulb and 10 bulb T5 fixtures, as the LED lighting was just not available in a sufficient brightness and a low enough price. Having seen some other factories and workshop areas brightly lit with high quality LED fixtures, I LOVE the look and utility, but the price is just not there yet.

We tested a number of LED fixtures and found that the ones that had a better price tended to be "no-name" offshore lights that just did not live up to their specifications for lumens, or for light spread.

I do have a home shop that is currently lit with a number of different lights on multiple circuits. There is a control center that has dimmers to dim the 40 or so fixtures in varied ways depending on what is happening in the shop (hanging out watching TV or actual technical work). I have yet to see LED lights that work well in this environment. They tend to not dim very well.

At this point, I would be very interested in quality LED bulbs that are dimmable that are PAR30 replacements. I haven't found any yet that I like. The other problem is that every manufacturer is making different styles and appearance of bulbs and I don't like the look, nor do I want to worry about replacing a bulb down the road and having it appear different. In my opinion, the lack of a standard or any expectation that a manufacturer will continue making a certain style bulb is a big problem.

In my opinion, the fact that LED lighting uses such little power compared to incandescent bulbs provides the opportunity for the lighting to safely be MUCH brighter. Instead of the typical 65-75 watt LED PAR30 offsets currently offered on the market, I would LOVE to see a PAR30 LED that is at the equivalent of maybe 120-140 watts of (incandescent) light output, and it seems to me that this could be done and still have a fixture that uses a lower level of power and runs cooler than the "stock" can lighting with a 65 watt incandescent bulb. For a showroom type garage area, this could be awesome. Maybe bulbs like this are already available, but I have not found them.

I would also be interested in SUPER high intensity strip lights that could be tucked into a 1.5 inch space, as I have a cathedral ceiling in the shop and would like to hide some strips in between some of the collar tie bracing. I would think that narrow strips with high intensity would be of use in other ways for other shop owners as well. The typical small bright strips available now at hardware stores are great for lighting a shelf or cabinet area, but do very little to light up a work station with usable lighting. Those type lights are simply not bright enough. A narrow strip that still fits in a 1.5 inch maximum area but has MUCH brighter LED bulbs would be of interest, especially if it were reasonably cost effective.

Then, if dimmers become available that work as well with LED lights as they do with incandescent bulbs, that would make the situation all the better.

Just some random thoughts that I have had. I enjoyed meeting you guys at one of the previous Hot Rod Restoration shows in Indy. Continued good luck with your ideas.
 
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rocco

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Keep in mind the big guys have products in LED that are readily available, have CSA/UL listings along with IES LM79/LM80 testing and photometric files and many products in the 75-200$ price range at this point. 40% of my commercial lighting business is LED now vs 5-10% 2 years ago. Not worth getting into it if you ask my opinion being in the industry and all.
 

6768rogues

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When I was the facility director at a school I looked into LED lighting and the ones I saw were made in China and had no UL or other testing lab certification. Might be ok for a garage, but I wasn't going to install them in a public school.
 

MN4x4

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I am looking to re-light my 1800 sf shop. I am contemplating going with LED vs the combination of Metal Halide and T-12 fluorescents that I have now.

If you're interested in a beta-tester that's sort of close to you please contact me.
 
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