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Restoring an old compressor, keep the tank or not?

DennisCA

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Hi, first post and all that, let's just dive straight into the relevant stuff. I found this old compressor for 30 euros, 2.2kw 6-pole motor (920rpms), I figured that was worth a lot more than 30 euros:
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I was thinking of restoring it and hooking it up to my current compressor, setting up the pressure switches so that the old quiet one would initiate first, and if the pressure kept dropping even more, I have this newer and noisier 80s era compressor that would then kick in to aid this one. I'm always going for old junk and trying to rebuild it rather than buying new. Kinda allergic to new stuff, it just doesn't seem to be as good. Cordless tools excepted.

Whatever this thing is it came from the US originally, it has like 3 layers of paint over it, the original seems to be gray, then a red layer, then a green one.
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I've had apart the compressor block and it looks sound on the inside, get rid of all the paint and crud, new gaskets, oil and paint and it should be good to go for another 50 years or however old this one is:
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I can't see any plates anywhere on the tank indicating operating pressure, perhaps there might be some hidden under the paint, still haven't found it though. The tank was half full of water and oily sludge and I managed to get a shot of the inside, it's just a 40 liter tank, which comes to like 10 gallons, any opinions on this, does it look safe to you? I can't see any pitting, only some light rust, but it might be covered under all that oily residue in the tank, or all that residue kept it from rusting apart.

Who knows, perhaps I need a way to de-grease and clean the inside. Pressure washer perhaps.

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I'm a bit paranoid right now about compressor tanks, guess I read too many horror stories about them bursting, also looked into the italian one (finnish made tank though, 10 bars operating pressure) I got and it seems to be stainless as it's all shiny inside, but there's also dark pitted spots. So now I am afraid of that one too.

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I dunno what to think, I've considered pressure testing them with water but I don't know the operating pressure of the old tank and real hydrostatic testing is a bit more complex than what you can do at home, though better than nothing. I've managed to track a much newer (mfg 1999) vertical tank that's 96 liters or 25 gallons, rated at 26 bars, that feels like it could be a safe alternative to hook both compressor blocks to instead, since I won't need more than 8 bars or so.

I've been pretty lax with draining the tank to be honest, I drained it monthly perhaps but my dad maybe only did it in autumns... Investing in auto-draining valves would definitely be an idea.
 
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md21722

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The pump may be U.S. made but I wonder if the rest of the setup is? I am not a historical expert on every compressor ever made, but I have never seen anything like that tank here in the U.S. and have seen many old compressors with replacement pumps. Generally today single stage pumps like this one you have are put on tanks rated 150 PSI. Dual stage pumps are on tanks rated for 200 PSI. People have died because of tanks exploding from pumps that were pumping oil. I would ditch this sketchy looking tank and use the other tank you're referring to. The hydrostatic test is fine, you can experiment with it. See if the tank will hold 300 PSI. If it fails, all you go it water on the ground.
 
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DennisCA

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Yeah it's not all original, the motor is a siemens 3ph one and the pressure switch seems to be of finnish make. There's a smaller cylinder that's in between the main tank and compressor block, I am not sure what purpose it serves aside from adding a few more liters, perhaps a gallon is all it adds.

BTW, for your convenience:
8 bars = 116psi
10 bars = 145psi
26 bars = 377psi
 

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For it to be an extra compressor it would need to be belt driven like the main pump. It is an expansion device, to help cool the air and condense water before it goes into the tank. I have seen early design compressors that were still made through the 1960's have similar, but it was more of a direct drop into the tank. Does this "side tank" have a drain on it? Since the 1970's manufacturers went to after coolers either of finned copper tubing or a flat panel, like a car radiator.
 
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DennisCA

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Based on the picture here, I would say there is a manual drain valve on it. Given how full of water it was, it didn't work too well, or wasn't used at all by the previous owner.

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Here's part of the compressor block after removing the paint:
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There's indication of the intake having been welded on for some reason.
 
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DennisCA

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Not much of an update here. I put the old compressor block in storage for now. I bought a hydrostatic pressure tester (manual, used for 30 bucks) and tested the old tank, it leaks like a sieve! Going to the junk yard. Got the motor though so I am happy. Also removed all the fittings and useful stuff I could find.

This weekend I went after my new tank (25 gallons / 380psi) and I am taking the compressor block of my small compressor and putting it on this:
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I want to weld up a stand with feet for it and flip it around so it can sit upside down. That way the top hole will make a perfect drainage valve. The current bottom plate has 4 mounting holes and I think the compressor block can go up there later. That way I should have a very compact compressor I can put in the corner in my small workshop.

The numbers indicate the various ports
1. drainage valve
2. Air in
3. Air out
4. Inspection window, will leave alone
5. No idea what this is, probably had todo with it's previous usage in a refrigeration system.

A very tall slim compressor from this, I will need to attach it to the wall so it doesn't tip over. But it's ok I want a permanent installation.
 
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