Rigid or Snap on pipe wrenches ??

[overkill 19]

Just wondering if anyone knows if snap on ups the spec?

At work we go threw 10" rigid aluminium like crazy so I thought I'd try the snap on version but honestly they look identical.
But I ordered 20 to try.


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[bobcatdan]

99% sure SO pipe wrenches are made by rigid.

 

[Nick Danger]

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=147634

Evidence that they're made by the same company.

 

[Hiball]

Might be wise to invest in pipe wrench consumables versus New pipe wrenches.

 

[CNGsaves]

OP . . . . sounds like WRONG tool for the job. Multiple tool failures is tell tale sign.

Why only 10" pipe wrench Aluminum . . . .
. . . . . would suitable 14" pipe wrench be Too Heavy for girly men to carry ??

Instead . . buy these > > 14" aluminum Ridgid pipe wrenches for just $45 each:
https://www.zoro.com/ridgid-straigh...gclid=CJWvpaTK7MwCFQ6oaQodqqIL4Q&gclsrc=aw.ds

Those 20 Snappy's probably cost all those employees their bonus for year !!

 

[WhiffySpark]

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=147634

Evidence that they're made by the same company.

That's not really proof they're identical just that they might be made by the same company.

 

[gdocktor3]

Just wondering if anyone knows if snap on ups the spec?

At work we go threw 10" rigid aluminium like crazy so I thought I'd try the snap on version but honestly they look identical.
But I ordered 20 to try.


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What on earth do you people do with these things??

 

[Hiball]

What on earth do you people do with these things??

My guess is that the OP is involved with some sort of production work, it's not a common theme for most GJ'ers but tools do wear when used repeatedly, with pipe wrenches it's normally a issue with teeth. Which is why I recommended acquiring some new parts as everything on the pipe wrench handle is replaceable. I've also been known to hit the teeth with a file on occasion as they start to round.

 

[2004.5cumminsman]

Ridgid is lifetime warranty.. Even if they are worn out.

Yet again, SO has the rescue tool...NOT

 

[Hiball]

Ridgid is lifetime warranty.. Even if they are worn out.

Yet again, SO has the rescue tool...NOT

Not Quite... What's not covered straight from the Ridgid warranty page.


What is Not Covered

Failures due to misuse, abuse or normal wear and tear are not covered by this warranty. Ridge Tool shall not be responsible for any incidental or consequential damages.

Normal wear and tear is a Bish, the only good thing about SO is they are very lenient in that department. In the OP's case I think he would probably be better served buying the Ridgid brand and New replacement parts.

 

[overkill 19]

I work in a polyethylene plant. I don't send them back for warranty due to they are used not just as a pipe wrench.
Hammer, pry bar etc. So not fair to Rigid IMO

10" is perfect fit for tool belts, back pockets in coveralls.
We do abuse them. And they hold up well for what they go threw.

I think SO version might be made by Rigid but my hope was SO up the spec.... Maybe!

And actually when I ordered 20 10"
5-12"
5-14"
And 2 -24"
They where the same price as the Rigid or within couple bucks.

Also we do buy jaws and teeth. But usually it the back side that's been used as a hammer that's split is our most common failure.
We deal with transferring powder and resins so sometimes it needs a little love to keep it moving.


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[RedF]

You must work at Jofree/Nova?

 

[overkill 19]

You must work at Jofree/Nova?

....close!

 

[CNGsaves]

I work in a polyethylene plant. I don't send them back for warranty due to they are used not just as a pipe wrench.
Hammer, pry bar etc. So not fair to Rigid IMO

10" is perfect fit for tool belts, back pockets in coveralls.
We do abuse them. And they hold up well for what they go threw.

I think SO version might be made by Rigid but my hope was SO up the spec.... Maybe!

And actually when I ordered 20 10"
5-12"
5-14"
And 2 -24"
They where the same price as the Rigid or within couple bucks.

Also we do buy jaws and teeth. But usually it the back side that's been used as a hammer that's split is our most common failure.
We deal with transferring powder and resins so sometimes it needs a little love to keep it moving.

As expected . . . . WRONG tool for the job . . . . and abused also !!

No Snappy pipe wrench that's 10" will "solve all your problems" . . obviously.

Here's your best bet for low cost . . . HAMMER, PRY BAR, etc . . . . .
. . . . . . . . Stanley 12" Wonder Bar for $10 available everywhere

If girly men can't carry it around, sure sounds like new employees needed !!
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Stanley-12-in-Wonder-Bar-55-515K/100093815

 

[overkill 19]

Really

 

[overkill 19]

As expected . . . . WRONG tool for the job . . . . and abused also !!



No Snappy pipe wrench that's 10" will "solve all your problems" . . obviously.



Here's your best bet for low cost . . . HAMMER, PRY BAR, etc . . . . .

. . . . . . . . Stanley 12" Wonder Bar for $10 available everywhere



If girly men can't carry it around, sure sounds like new employees needed !!

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Stanley-12-in-Wonder-Bar-55-515K/100093815

It is the right tool when that's all you've got! 300 ft up a tower and you have to get it fixed now! You deal with what's in front of you. No time to go get "right tool" as you put it. You wouldn't last a week in my plant !
Where do you expect guys to carry that???? Not every operator wears a tool belt.
Most are in coveralls only. Not to mention it's 98% useless for what we do.

LIKE I SAID !!!, 10"s are breaking from misuse 14s would break too and yes us girly men can't pack around all that extra weight cause all that bonus money we get every year! It's only 422x the cost of those wrenches

 

[CNGsaves]

^ ^ ^ Easy SOLUTION is hang a Wonder Bar & Hammer next to each MACHINE.

Bunch of pry bars and hammers would be cheaper and BETTER tools . . . .
. . . . . than beating small Snappy aluminum pipe wrench into submission/failure !!

 

[overkill 19]

^ ^ ^ Easy SOLUTION is hang a Wonder Bar & Hammer next to each MACHINE.



Bunch of pry bars and hammers would be cheaper and BETTER tools . . . .

. . . . . than beating small Snappy aluminum pipe wrench into submission/failure !!

Lol
I'll keep buying pipe wrenches! You really have no clue how many machines are in a plant!

 

[maintguy]

]It is the right tool when that's all you've got! 300 ft up a tower and you have to get it fixed now! You deal with what's in front of you.[/COLOR] No time to go get "right tool" as you put it. You wouldn't last a week in my plant !
Where do you expect guys to carry that???? Not every operator wears a tool belt.
Most are in coveralls only. Not to mention it's 98% useless for what we do.

LIKE I SAID !!!, 10"s are breaking from misuse 14s would break too and yes us girly men can't pack around all that extra weight cause all that bonus money we get every year! It's only 422x the cost of those wrenches

Not trying to be an ***. Why dont the people climbing the towers take the right tools up there.

 

[cgrutt]

Sorry no help and OT, but I once lent a couple of my friends some old school pipe wrenches that were my dad's. One came back bent. Not just a little bent either. Must have put a cheater bar on it or something. I never really asked and they never really fessed up. Who does that? (Borrowing a tool and returning it broken, I get the using the cheater bar part). Also I always wondered how they managed to bend it and not snap it. Must be aluminum like you mentioned, I guess I assumed they were cast iron. I'll post up a pic tomorrow. Still keep it around to remind myself not to lend tools to friends, LOL...

 

[TigerDude]

my experience with mechanics/operators in plants and pipe wrenches is that pipe wrenches provide a guaranteed source of extra maintenance work.

I would have fired one of my mechanics if they hit a piece of equipment with a pipe wrench. But you do what you gotta do I guess. Sounds like ****** management to me.

 

[geartow]

i would suggest looking at the pwz1 or pwz2 from snap-on . these have all but replaced pipe wrenches at work . the only reason i have a 10 inch rigid pipe wrench is it was picked up of the road.

 

[overkill 19]

Not trying to be an ***. Why dont the people climbing the towers take the right tools up there.

Sometimes you can. But you don't always know what the problem is until you are there. Just like a knock in your motor you can't tell what's wrong by what someone tells you over the phone... Or radio in our case.

 

[overkill 19]

i would suggest looking at the pwz1 or pwz2 from snap-on . these have all but replaced pipe wrenches at work . the only reason i have a 10 inch rigid pipe wrench is it was picked up of the road.

Nice! Back on track
Thanks for the suggestion! I will text my SO dealer tomorrow.
Thx again!

 

[overkill 19]

my experience with mechanics/operators in plants and pipe wrenches is that pipe wrenches provide a guaranteed source of extra maintenance work.

I would have fired one of my mechanics if they hit a piece of equipment with a pipe wrench. But you do what you gotta do I guess. Sounds like ****** management to me.

Soo you'd rather him drive back to town ... Get the right tool. Go back fix it. Mean while costing the company 100s of thousands because he couldn't think on his feet and fix stuff on the fly. All to save a $47 pipe wrench?? That don't work in our world you don't have time for that. There have been times I've hands literally less then a minute to fix something before we shut down. Which is min $75000 in gas not to mention loss revenue of product which is in the millions per day.
I've kept equipment running with a washer I had in my pocket fudging a limit switch on a door until the instrument tech could come out with right parts just as one example.
So in reality a $47 pipe wrench is nothing ! I'm a believer of right tool for the job when you have a full box at your leisure. But if you have never used a dime as a screw driver then you wont get what I'm saying!

 

[four.cycle]

It is the right tool when that's all you've got! 300 ft up a tower and you have to get it fixed now!

Thank you.

As I have said here previously:
If you are up on a ladder more than four feet off the ground, any tool is a hammer.
I do not understand why some people have such a difficult time understanding this.

You had to use a dime for a screwdriver? I give thanks to God that I was gifted with strong thumbnails - they come in real handy at times.

 

[overkill 19]

Thank you.



As I have said here previously:

If you are up on a ladder more than four feet off the ground, any tool is a hammer.

I do not understand why some people have such a difficult time understanding this.



You had to use a dime for a screwdriver? I give thanks to God that I was gifted with strong thumbnails - they come in real handy at times.

....chew mine!!! Terrified of heights!

 

[Ghost11]

Next time overkill, just bring your whole toolbox up the tower with you. Bring a nice comfortable chair so you can sit down. Maybe bring the paper and cup of coffee too.

 

[overkill 19]

Next time overkill, a nice comfortable chair so you can sit down. Maybe bring the paper and cup of coffee too.

Honestly most of my days are in that scenario.... I try not to leave the control room much anymore except on hot summer days, let the young punks climb that **** in the cold... Been there done that!

 

[PBCampbell]

Ridgid makes a 10 inch wrench with a hammering in mind. It's called a Rap wrench I believe. I don't know if the extra weight would be enough to make it difficult for pocket carry. Sounds like some small tool pouches with belts/slings would be handy for carrying a slight variety of tools.

 

[gdocktor3]

I may have a solution to your problems. Check this out. We have a few spread out in the boiler room and mechanical floors at the hospital I work at. As well as the rap wrench mentioned above. https://www.proferred.tools/products/mining-adjustable-wrench-with-hammer

While I was looking for the link I stumbled upon this http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...ers-Universal-wrench/1871166_32451795285.html

 

[Moose-LandTran]

If you keep breaking them why don't you try the steel ones instead of aluminium? Can't imagine there's much of a significant weight difference in only a 10" one.

I have pipe wrenches from 6" to 36" and chain wrenches from 18" to 36", none show any real wear. My 6" pipe wrench has had 2' pipes/cheaters on the handle and it's still straight as an arrow.

 

[redwrench60]

Since this is a tool forum people here tend to focus on the tools over the job. Don't get me wrong, I hate to see a tool beaten like a red headed stepchild as much as the next guy, but I also understand that sometimes a $75,000 an hour shutdown fine from a manufacturer you supply parts to takes precedence over a $40 pipe wrench. It just does, right or wrong tool for the job. Sometimes here when you ask for solutions to a tough problem all you get is a bunch of ******** from all the people who wouldn't last 10 minutes in a fast paced shop or production environment. It's hard to explain that sometomes the focus isn't on the tools, it's on what they build.

I think you could stretch your replacement intervals by simply switching to cast iron pipe wrenches. With 10" pipe wrenches there's not really that much difference between cast iron and aluminum in the weight to the operator. Now when you talk 36" pipe wrenches then it's substantial.

I also like the Snap On/Bahco PWZ series. The only rub for plant guys is the rubber handle may prevent the use of cheater bars

 

[Catmochanic]

Maybe try and design a multi-tool that would work well for your application? Maybe something similar to what gdocktor3 posted, except with a pipe wrench end, and maybe a hammer head on it...? Wait, I should design it myself, then I could say "I'm Rich B****"!

 

[bcradio]

If you keep breaking them why don't you try the steel ones instead of aluminium? Can't imagine there's much of a significant weight difference in only a 10" one.

I have pipe wrenches from 6" to 36" and chain wrenches from 18" to 36", none show any real wear. My 6" pipe wrench has had 2' pipes/cheaters on the handle and it's still straight as an arrow.

This is what I agree with here. I think you should give the steel ones a try unless you have a seriously good reason not to. They will last much longer than aluminum

 

[Moose-LandTran]

This is what I agree with here. I think you shouldn't give the steel ones a try unless you have a seriously good reason not to. They will last much longer than aluminum

Especially since aluminium is very susceptible to stress cracking and fractures. The "Heavy duty" Ridgid pipe wrenches are made of ductile iron, so are much better at handling impacts (like being used as a hammer) and it's an inherently stronger material like-for-like.

 

[Know Wosad]

If you buy those amounts I'd contact a few company and ask that some be custom made with hammering capabilities and even prybar type ends on the handles. It sounds like ordering 100 plus wouldn't be a problem for you.
We use to hang a lot of iron and the tool companies have lots of spud spike wrenches, ratchets and ratchets with oversize selectors for gloves, scaffolding tools with built in hammers. All sorts of things. In the end they're just foundries and machine shops. The mass production is only the gravy.

 

[CNGsaves]

There is NO 300 ft tower . . . . that's made up by OP. It's excuse for his "maintenance" guys not having the right tool for the job.

He's told us several times this is in PLANT environment. No reason that whole slew of proper hammers and prybars can't be in toolboxes around the PLANT. Obviously the company can afford it. I've never heard of Porsche factory handing out 10" aluminum pipe wrenches so "techs" can beat something into submission !!

Likely there IS reason they are using aluminum . . . . so the abuse ruins the tool instead of equipment they are beating on.

I've worked at large plastic injection plant that became certified in QS9000 and we always managed to find right tool for job (even with production demands) and not beat the wrong tool into submission.

Why not just get proper brass or rubber-faced hammers ?? Pry bars are cheap. This is really as simple as getting proper tools for the job!!

 

[Al Borland]

There is NO 300 ft tower . . . . that's made up by OP. It's excuse for his "maintenance" guys not having the right tool for the job.

He's told us several times this is in PLANT environment. No reason that whole slew of proper hammers and prybars can't be in toolboxes around the PLANT. Obviously the company can afford it. I've never heard of Porsche factory handing out 10" aluminum pipe wrenches so "techs" can beat something into submission !!

Likely there IS reason they are using aluminum . . . . so the abuse ruins the tool instead of equipment they are beating on.

I've worked at large plastic injection plant that became certified in QS9000 and we always managed to find right tool for job (even with production demands) and not beat the wrong tool into submission.

Why not just get proper brass or rubber-faced hammers ?? Pry bars are cheap. This is really as simple as getting proper tools for the job!!

IDK about O.P. but I frequently work in chemical plants, etc, and have been on 100 foot distillation stacks, for instance. Vertical ladders and catwalks... No way to bring a whole toolbox, and major effort/time to scale these. Problems are frequently time-critical, as reactions are time-constrained and and one missed/delayed step can ruin a batch if delayed (cascade failures).
So, I can see his problem. One aspect of switching to iron/steel pipe wrenches that needs to be considered - potential to do damage to the equipment with a heavier/more durable pipe wrench/hammer.
Also, steel can make sparks, which can lead to mushroom clouds...
seriously not good.

 

[foghorn1966]

CNG, the plant that the OP, overkill_19, works at is really huge, think gulf coast refinery scale. Yes the 300 ft towers (ok maybe 240 ft). They make the same raw pellets that were the feedstock to your injection plant. These plant facilities are some of the largest in western Canada.
Just trying to clairify things.