Between 705 & 1200 SQ/FT Rixtrix Metalfab new shop 24x32

[rixtrix1]

Giving up the "Small, messy carport to garage" to my wife's SUV in a few months. Moving on up, from 243 sq ft to 768 sq ft! 32 years after buying a home with a large enough lot to build a detached garage/ workshop, it's finaly going to happen! 6 months after starting the permit process, three different styles of plans, I finally came up with something that satisfies the City's recently adopted 2021 IRC building code. Initially I wanted to put up a 24'x30'x13' sidewall Versatube all steel building, for the ease and speed of construction. Then I was told it has to match the appearance of the primary building ( our home ), which has hardboard siding and a shingled roof. Changing the Versatube frame to support wood sheathing made it much too complicated to assemble and more expensive.

I found Behm Design garage plans online, Jay Behm is the best, responding quickly to all my questions. I selected 2 of his plans that would accommodate a 2-post vehicle lift, one 26'x30'x13' sidewalls and a 3/12 pitch roof, which the City didn't like and another, 24'x32'x10' sidewalls, 8/12 roof with 20 feet of scissor trusses for the lift and 12' of attic trusses for more storage, which the City Zoning planners didn't like because the roof pitch and our home has some stucco accents( columns) that they said need to be incorporated into the design. The Building and Zoning Department manager took my call about my plan review progress. All the planners and zoners were out for training, so he pulled up the plans and stated, "It's just a garage, I'll have your stamped plans and permit available in 30 min." I'll be using LP Smartside vertical grooved panels on the walls and textured asphalt roof shingle which matches our home( not the horizontal lap siding in the plan pic. ) I finally located a concrete contractor after sending out 10 unanswered requests for a slab quote. He's the uncle of a fellow autocross participant who put up a Versatube metal framed garage/shop in a neighboring city. Very unique as it's sided and roofed with metal clad 4" thick foam walk-in freezer panels with an R-36 rating.

 

[rixtrix1]

I found a local lumber yard a mile away from my work to the west who could provide everything on the plan materials list but the trusses and a truss manufacturer a mile to the east who provided engineered and stamped truss drawings for free the next day after I asked for them so I could apply for a building permit with this plan. Foxworth/Gailbraith would only apply for eng'd drawings AFTER the quote was approved and paid- stating a 8-10week lead time for the drawings alone!

All in all, the basic stick built shop materials will be about $1000 less than a Versatube metal building, but will be a lot more labor intensive, I think. I may have to sub out the roof shingling, not only because it's a steep roof and I just turned 70, but I hate shingling almost as much as mudding drywall! I got the framing lumber and hardware delivered this week as the price was right. I asked for the sheathing material to be held until the 4x8x10 LP siding panels are in, maybe a month out. The truss manufacturer said 8-9 weeks out, unless there's a cancellation, and they will store them until I need them. Gotta get the slab done and cured first! Getting excited, also cuz I get to buy more tools, too!

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[rixtrix1]

To say I'm excited is a gross understatement...

 

[dmittz]

Looks like it will be a nice workshop. i look forward to seeing your progress.

 

[rixtrix1]

I needed working room for a 9K 2-post lift, mini-split climate control, all my welders and torch, welding table, brake lathe, tubing bender, bead roller, tool boxes and assorted shop equipment. I also make Rix Rok Rails, rocker panel protectors for XJ Jeeps, tube bumpers, etc for offroad as well as an occasional rollbar. Main purpose of the shop will be to work on my 1966 Chevelle, which I've owned since 1971 and to do maintenance on the family fleet. Definitely NOT a show car, I bought the Chevelle as a beater since the previous owner was a veterinarian who used it as a work vehicle for cattle care. After washing about 300# of mud and cows**t off the bottom, I drove it to college after installing headers, exhaust, intake, carb, wheels and tires. Then it became a drag race car ( 11 different engines and 4 different transmissions) for 40 years in brackets, Stock, SuperStock and Superstreet, ending up with a 12 pt rollcage, narrowed 9" rearend, ladderbars, coilovers and tubs. It's currently undergoing what will be it's last iteration into a Protouring/CAM-T autocross/track vehicle, basically a street-legal roadracer with a SBC, manual transmission, Wattslink, fullfloating 9" rear axle with a 3-link suspension, coilovers, 4 wheel big disc brakes with room for up to 335x18 rear tires and 275x18 fronts. I've been collecting a ton of parts over the years and need some room to install all of them.

 

[Grizz1963]

Booooom !!!

 

[j p smith]

This is awesome Ric! looking forward to following along. Depending on the timing I may be able come help when needed. I have just started the cleanup and organizing for the hit & miss engine workshop on December 3rd. Be aware your friends Gerome & Logan plan to abduct you and drag you to the workshop

 

[Grizz1963]

Giving up the "Small, messy carport to garage" to my wife's SUV in a few months. Moving on up, from 243 sq ft to 768 sq ft! 32 years after buying a home with a large enough lot to build a detached garage/ workshop, it's finaly going to happen! 6 months after starting the permit process, three different styles of plans, I finally came up with something that satisfies the City's recently adopted 2021 IRC building code. Initially I wanted to put up a 24'x30'x13' sidewall Versatube all steel building, for the ease and speed of construction. Then I was told it has to match the appearance of the primary building ( our home ), which has hardboard siding and a shingled roof. Changing the Versatube frame to support wood sheathing made it much too complicated to assemble and more expensive.

I found Behm Design garage plans online, Jay Behm is the best, responding quickly to all my questions. I selected 2 of his plans that would accommodate a 2-post vehicle lift, one 26'x30'x13' sidewalls and a 3/12 pitch roof, which the City didn't like and another, 24'x32'x10' sidewalls, 8/12 roof with 20 feet of scissor trusses for the lift and 12' of attic trusses for more storage, which the City Zoning planners didn't like because the roof pitch and our home has some stucco accents( columns) that they said need to be incorporated into the design. The Building and Zoning Department manager took my call about my plan review progress. All the planners and zoners were out for training, so he pulled up the plans and stated, "It's just a garage, I'll have your stamped plans and permit available in 30 min." I'll be using LP Smartside vertical grooved panels on the walls and textured asphalt roof shingle which matches our home( not the horizontal lap siding in the plan pic. ) I finally located a concrete contractor after sending out 10 unanswered requests for a slab quote. He's the uncle of a fellow autocross participant who put up a Versatube metal framed garage/shop in a neighboring city. Very unique as it's sided and roofed with metal clad 4" thick foam walk-in freezer panels with an R-36 rating.

I wanted to add, for anyone starting to read this new thread, that this is your old thread.

Small, Messy Carport to Garage

At the urging of a couple GJ friends, I’ve decided to start a thread about my small, messy garage. When we bought our home, it was listed a no garage and no patio. As we approached the property with the realtor, I couldn’t help but notice a double garage door at the front of the house. Upon...

www.garagejournal.com

Puts a ton of stuff into perspective.

I am looking forward to it evolve.

 

[Bob Heine]

Ric, I know I can't be as excited as you but I really look forward to seeing the new shop come to life. You've earned it and deserve it.

 

[jbmatth]

Count me in too, I'll be following along on the build process, looking forward to what you come up with.

JB

 

[captain14]

Following.

 

[Matias]

Looking forward to see how this takes shape. So glad for you Ric on this new turn of events! Hope it all goes as closely as planned as possible.

PS. thanks @zanyad for the link, easy to add this new thread to the watch list!

 

[rmack898]

I’m on board.
Good for you Ric

 

[cros13]

Oooooohhhh!! Exiting times ahead! So finally the Chevelle is going to see some love! excellent!
All these ****** rules and regulations needing your garage to look a certain way? I thought you lived in America! lol!

Looking forward to the build!
Rudi.

 

[racer-john]

Oooooohhhh!! Exiting times ahead! So finally the Chevelle is going to see some love! excellent!
All these ****** rules and regulations needing your garage to look a certain way? I thought you lived in America! lol!

Looking forward to the build!
Rudi.

 

[racer-john]

Count me IN.

 

[rzims]

Following....

 

[rixtrix1]

Not a whole lot to add, yet. This project seems to have the "slows" plaguing it from the gitgo! The trusses were finished a month early( they must have run into one of the down periods!). I got a call on a Thursday that they were delivering them the next day! I had done a bunch of cleanup on the sideyard, which included several dump trips( yeah, I'm a hoarder!) earlier in the week and had just rearranged what was remaining into a more manageable configuration for access around to the garage site. Sorry, but no pics of that. Anyway, he called at 4:15Pm, while I was at the doctor, I gave him simple directions, stating there was an open RV gate on the west side of the house that extended back over 100'. I get home 15 minutes later to find the truss bundle laying in that area and no one around. I forgot to take a pic which would have showed the peak of the trusses within 1/2" of my spare 4L60E transmission! The tire tracks of the roll-off trailer just barely fit inside the gate. Since they were blocking access. I got my neighbor, 2 of his grandsons and his co-worker to help me reposition them nearer the build site, only 120' away. The day before the truss delivery the lumber yard had showed up with the OSB sheathing, radiant barrier roof sheathing and all the LP Smartside trim. This wasn't supposed to be delivered until the 4x10 LP Smartside panels came in. The panels were not with the other flat goods. At least I was prepared for this delivery by putting down a couple of sheets of 3/8' steel I had, just in case the forklift driver didn't set the load on the concrete circle. I had to fab a "toe jack" to lift the bundle high enough to slide a pallet underneath so I could use a pallet jack and reposition the lumber. I hurriedly threw it together. I need to make the lift arm out of better, thicker material that won't bend at the jack, but this got this task completed. The sheetgoods stack I moved from the end of the metal sheets on the left is sitting crosswise just to the right, with the red sheets on the bottom

Needless to say, a very busy long weekend.

BTW, I don't recommend using pre-mixed Round-up to kill Bermuda grass from my shop area. After 4 gallons of premixed Ortho Ground Clear, it took 3 applications and a total of 4 gallons of pre-mixed Round-up to finally kill the grass, just before cooler temps hit and the growing season that's quickly coming to an end for grass.

 

[rixtrix1]

Pics of the shop site, materials stacks and the dead grass. I didn't take a pic of the 5 boxes of 4,000 nails each in the various types and sizes specified for the build. The white poles signify the corners. The trusses are under the silver tarp, and the hole in front of them is where I removed a tree. Another neighbor commented on the big "bench" I put in front of my firepit, lol! The white poles signify the corners. The trusses are under the silver tarp, and the hole in front of them is where I removed a tree. Another neighbor commented on the big "bench" I put in front of my firepit, lol!

 

[rixtrix1]

Where's my concrete??? Next to getting the building permit, this is the most trying part of my adventure.

 

[rixtrix1]

This is awesome Ric! looking forward to following along. Depending on the timing I may be able come help when needed. I have just started the cleanup and organizing for the hit & miss engine workshop on December 3rd. Be aware your friends Gerome & Logan plan to abduct you and drag you to the workshop

I'd like that, JP. I'd love to find the time to get away!

I wanted to add, for anyone starting to read this new thread, that this is your old thread.

Small, Messy Carport to Garage

At the urging of a couple GJ friends, I’ve decided to start a thread about my small, messy garage. When we bought our home, it was listed a no garage and no patio. As we approached the property with the realtor, I couldn’t help but notice a double garage door at the front of the house. Upon...

www.garagejournal.com

Puts a ton of stuff into perspective.

I am looking forward to it evolve.

Thanks, Rian!

Ric, I know I can't be as excited as you but I really look forward to seeing the new shop come to life. You've earned it and deserve it.

I appreciate that, Bob!

Count me in too, I'll be following along on the build process, looking forward to what you come up with.

JB

If only I had your work ethic, JB, it'd already be done, after doing everything myself!

Looking forward to see how this takes shape. So glad for you Ric on this new turn of events! Hope it all goes as closely as planned as possible.

PS. thanks @zanyad for the link, easy to add this new thread to the watch list!

Thank you, Matias. I haven't had much time in recent months to play online with forums. I need to catch up.Thanks

I’m on board.
Good for you Ric

Thanks! I need to catch up on your shop, too.

Oooooohhhh!! Exiting times ahead! So finally the Chevelle is going to see some love! excellent!
All these ****** rules and regulations needing your garage to look a certain way? I thought you lived in America! lol!

Looking forward to the build!
Rudi.

Hi, Rudi. I had to go to Dirty Dingo Motorsports today to get an LS engine lifting plate for work. Immediately thought of the Zed...

 

[dmittz]

getting concrete can be pretty hard these days. Hopefully yours comes soon.

Interesting about your trusses, with my shop they tried to deliver the trusses before the foundation was even poured, we sent them back and had them delivered once the walls were up so they could just unload them up on top of the walls.

 

[rattle_snake]

Looking forward to the building goin up Ric!

 

[rixtrix1]

No crane on the truck with this small load and if it was, they wouldn't be able to make the 90* bend to get around the house to the build site

 

[rixtrix1]

YAY! I finalized getting the slab work done with my contractor this morning! Price was in the range I had calculated and budgeted for. I don't have to do anything. but make payments at the appropriate time and conditions As usual, there is a lead time before starting, but it is only 2 weeks. The contractor having to wait on the pumper truck quote is what held everything up''

 

[Chrisb62]

Great news.......hurry up would you.....


It’s amazing that you can get it done so quick,hope everything goes as planned.... best of everything for you.

 

[rixtrix1]

Finally, some real progress on the new shop build. Excavating contractor came yesterday with his concrete forming crew( who happen to work full time for one of the largest home construction companies in the Phoenix area ). About 7 hours later, the footings were dug, form boards installed and leveled, 10.5 tons of ABC mix spread and compacted with a 14'x4' lowered area to support a 2 post lift, 3-#4 rebars in the footings and top slab edge and 6" wire mesh laid in and then covered with visqueen, as it's 10 days until concrete can be delivered and there is rain forecast in the interim. Sorry, I didn't get pics of the rebar and wire mesh installed. 18" from top of slab to bottom of footings, 5" slab with 7-8" in the lift area-4000# mix. Inspection this coming Tuesday...

It's already looking too small as I visualize where things will be going; thank goodness there will be an 8x12x6 storage area in the rear attic trusses!

 

[rixtrix1]

Well, passed footing, pre-slab and UFER inspection and the pour went beautifully with the help (and added cost-$1500) of a 45m pumper truck to get the mix over our home to the site. Crew did an excellent job-one corner is 3/32 long diagonally. The rest are right on. It's hand finished to a smooth finish with saw cuts flanking the lift area. Unfortunately. There's rain forecast for every weekend but 1 until the end of January.

 

[rixtrix1]

Well, passed footing, pre-slab and UFER inspection and the pour went beautifully with the help (and added cost-$1500) of a 45m pumper truck to get the mix over our home to the site. Crew did an excellent job-one corner is 3/32 long diagonally. The rest are right on. It's hand finished to a smooth finish with saw cuts flanking the lift area. Unfortunately. There's rain forecast for every weekend but 1 until the end of January (if one believes a weather report)..

There was enough left over to fill in the hole in our patio where I removed the inground hot tub. Saved me a ton of backbreaking work mixing 50 sacks of premix.

 

[rixtrix1]

Great news.......hurry up would you.....


It’s amazing that you can get it done so quick,hope everything goes as planned.... best of everything for you.

Thank you! I have a 3-day weekend over New Year's, but there's rain forcast. I need to do a little grinding around a few of the anchor bolts; maybe I'll get that done. I was so hoping to get at least the walls up before the lift arrives.

 

[rixtrix1]

Bird's eye view

 

[rmack898]

Ooooh. New concrete.

 

[rixtrix1]

Ooooh. New concrete.

No hand prints or dates inscribed, lol. Never thought it would be so hard to get, Mac! Used to be, all it took was money, or, "I know a guy"...

 

[jbmatth]

3/32" off on a diagonal, I wouldn't be upset in the slightest. I'm sure you've seen many that are much much worse.

JB

 

[Grizz1963]

No hand prints or dates inscribed, lol. Never thought it would be so hard to get, Mac! Used to be, all it took was money, or, "I know a guy"...

Seems that with all the local commercial development going on, you kinda do Know a Guy Ric.

Do you realise we spoke for 90 minutes Ric.

Great to catch up and see your yard and the new slab.

Thanks for the guided video tour, love technology.

I am looking forward to you getting around to the next phase of the build.

A massively great new year for you, Trudy/Trudie and Eric.


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[rixtrix1]

Putting put a request to the GJ family: our son Eric is 34 and suffers from the chronic effects of late stage Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy. The severe muscle contractions cause him constant pain, which he endures remarkably. Ibuprofen is the only thing he gets any relief from. Childrens liquid or children's chewable tablets are what we have to use because it has to be administered through a MicKey button feeding tube. It has become impossible to find in the Phoenix area. If ANYONE knows where some can be sourced, or has located some, please PM me and I'll cover costs and shipping.

 

[rixtrix1]

getting concrete can be pretty hard these days. Hopefully yours comes soon.

Interesting about your trusses, with my shop they tried to deliver the trusses before the foundation was even poured, we sent them back and had them delivered once the walls were up so they could just unload them up on top of the walls.

dmittz-concrete too a month to schedule-Dec 19th.

3/32" off on a diagonal, I wouldn't be upset in the slightest. I'm sure you've seen many that are much much worse.

JB

JB, at our first home in Nebraska , one corner of the garage was completely off the trapezoidal slab!. This one as far as I'm concerned , it's literally perfect. It's smooth and very level! I have to look out of the house at it several times a day, much to my wife's chagrin!!!

Seems that with all the local commercial development going on, you kinda do Know a Guy Ric.

Do you realise we spoke for 90 minutes Ric.

Great to catch up and see your yard and the new slab.

Thanks for the guided video tour, love technology.

I am looking forward to you getting around to the next phase of the build.

A massively great new year for you, Trudy/Trudie and Eric.


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Rian, yeah, 90 minutes! noticed that on the phone as we continued by text. Definitely ranks up the with the best 90 minutes of the year! 3rd time's a charm-"Trudi", lol.

 

[Grizz1963]

dmittz-concrete too a month to schedule-Dec 19th.

JB, as far as I'm concerned , it's literally perfect. Not only that, it's smooth and very level!I have to look out of the house at it several times a day, much to my wife's chagrin!!!

Rian, yeah, 90 minutes! noticed that on the phone as we continued by text. Definitely ranks up the with the best 90 minutes of the year! 3rd time's a charm-"Trudi", lol.

Just don’t tell her.

She will ban you from chatting with your ******* friend.

Yes, it was great Putting the world to rights.

 

[rixtrix1]

Supposed to rain tomorrow, but be clear on Monday ( I'm off work!), so I'm going to stage my air hose and satellite tank from the S,MCtG and tools so I can start framing walls. All the studs were precut en masse, so I know they are right on (yeah, I measured them already). The top and bottom plates are 12' and 16' pieces, so I may have to trim those. I just have to do layout marking and go. Thanks to the calculator I found on blocklayers.com, i already have all the 16" on center measurements for the 3 standard walls. The front wall with window, man door and shop door is a little more complicated with 3 headers-( 1 a 3.5"x11.25"x11' LVL that weighs almost 125#), and a 2.5' structural panel on each end, I've had plenty of time to figure all that out, but it's really easy.

 

[xtremek]

First time dropping into your new thread.

I forgot your son had Duchennes. My son just did a fund raising motorcycle ride this past summer for Duchennes. I think he raised $5k, and he was one of about 100 riders, if I remember right. Anyway, I'll try to remember to look in our local grocery for the Ibuprofen.

I hope your build goes a lot faster than ours is going.

I hope you have a merry New Year.