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Roll box restoration 101: A beginner's guide.

covert

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Hi everyone.

I've been looking around on here and couldn't really find any detailed how to's for beginners on how to take apart, clean, lube, and put back together an older style roll toolbox.

Some background:
- I am not a pro.
- I have never done this before, but based on what I have seen here, I was willing to try giving it a go.
- I'm pleased with the result. That doesn't mean you have to be :lol_hitti
- This only goes over disassembly, cleaning, lubricating, and putting back together. It does not go over stripping paint, fixing dents, rust removal, etc.
- I'm in Canada, so all the links are to Canadian shops.
- I did not take "during" pictures, as I wasn't thinking about it till after. Maybe next time.

So, I picked up this box for $180, including the contents, at an auction. I was not upset with the price, it seemed fair to me.

Here's a picture from the catalog of the B-89:
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I was drawn to this box for a few reasons. It's Canadian made, it's sturdy, it's got great lines, and I love the cover for the drawers when put away. I'd passed on another B-89 a few months ago and was kicking myself.

Here's the pictures from the auction (it was online-only):
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So as you can see, it was pretty dirty and messy. When I got to see it when picking it up, I could see it was pretty dirty, but overall seemed pretty good, condition-wise. Emptying out the drawers, I found that there were some spots of rust inside a drawer, and almost every drawer had melted rubber bands on the bottom. The previous owner had run a seasonal barbecue stand, and the drawers were filled with BBQ parts, welding supplies, keys and locks, drill bits, and some other tools. Anyway, I ended up tossing a lot of the junk, but did find some stuff worth keeping (flex head 3/8" ratchet, calipers, drill bits, vintage snap-on tool and die set, as well as a SO vintage electrical circuit tester), and the rest went into secondary toolboxes or the scrap pile.

So, after I got it home, I got to work. First things first: As the drawers were friction sliders, I used a flathead screwdriver to pop the 12 drawers out and set them aside. I found this Youtube video from the new owners of Beach to be really helpful in properly getting the drawers out:

Now, I used the garden hose to wash out the box, and the drawers. I used some soapy water to wash it (first I used car wash soap and a wash pad.
Then I washed it using some dawn and soapy water to get rid of some lingering grease. Already the box was starting to have a much clearer shine.

Now, I dried it down using some microfiber cloths and let it sit in the sun for a couple of hours.

Next up was cleaning the mess left inside the drawers. For this, I used a plastic card to scrape out what was there. I was unable to find anything in any stores that resembled a plastic razor blade, so I used a bank card I found stuffed into the back of the box when it was disassembled. This helped a ton on getting the old rubber off, as well as some other unidentified liquids. For the really hard to clean stuff, I used a process of:
- Spray the area in goo gone
- Spray the leading edge of the card with goo gone
- Scrape the affected area
- Dip the card into a bucket of clean water
- Wipe off the excess goo gone and mess with a microfiber towel
- Wash with soapy water

I used this process also on removing the stickers on the box. It worked great. For the sides where the sliders were, I used a 1:1 ratio of Simple Green Max and water, mixed in a dollar-store spray bottle. I sprayed it on, used a cheap brush to scrub it, then hosed it off and washed with soapy water again to clean off any overspray or residue.

After cleaning off the drawers, I washed and rinsed the boxes and let them dry again. Once dry, I used Turtle Wax 1-Step Wax & Dry, from Walmart to wax them.

I followed the directions. I put a light mist of water on the drawer, then sprayed the wax on, then wiped dry with a cloth. The results were good. I was impressed with the deep red shine coming from the drawers. I had thought about doing a thorough waxing using paste wax, but was happy with the results of the spray wax. If it doesn't last long I may redo it.

The drawer pulls are polished aluminum on this box. I used Mother's Aluminum Polish to clean them. The metal did turn black, as per the directions, so the polish was suitable for this. If you have chrome handles this isn't the right stuff apparently, it can damage the chrome finish. I just used a terrycloth to apply the paste to the handles, worked it in (it turns black then) and then wiped clean with a microfiber cloth. They looked great after this.

The last step was to use the screwdriver to pop the tabs out to make sure the slider will catch on them and the drawer will not slide all the way out.

As the drawers were now done, I moved over to the box itself.

First up was to remove the sliders from the box. I took them off and placed them on a piece of cardboard marked with the drawer number and LHS/RHS to denote if it came from the left or right.

As the box had a lot more scuffs and imperfections than the drawers, I used Turtle Wax polishing compound to clean up some of the bad areas. I didn't use a rubbing compound as the damage was either too severe (scratches through the paint to the bare metal) or were taken care of with the polishing compound. Again, I applied a bit using a terrycloth, then worked it in, then wiped clean with a clean rag.

I also used the Simple Green to wash and degrease the slider rails, then washed with soapy water. I followed the same process as the doors to wax the outside of the box, and the aluminum cleaner for the handles on the cover doors and the push handle. I inspected the wheels and cleaned and lubricated them using 3 in 1 oil.

Next up was probably the worst part of this procedure - cleaning the sliders. Once upon a time someone applied some sort of white lithium grease to aid in lubrication, but it had become a thick, molasses-like mess. Under that was some other grease. I took my time here, and used the Simple Green to soak the sliders, then used the brush to scrub the metal thoroughly, then used a microfiber cloth soaked in the Simple Green solution to wipe clean, then another cloth that was damp to wipe over that. Once all sliders were cleaned, I washed them again with clean water to remove any residue.

At this point I lubed the sliders. After reading the many threads here about what was best, I decided to use the old method - wax. I used Paraffin wax for this - I could not find any of the "Door Ease" or a block of beeswax.

Let me say this: This job is messy, creates a lot of chunks of wax in the air, and a lot of wax. Maybe it's due to me not having experience, maybe it's due to this wax not being created for this job, I don't know. What I do know is the wax comes in the box in 4 large pieces, with notches to break it into 4 smaller pieces. Doing this caused the wax to splinter. I rubbed it onto the sliders where metal touches metal, until I could see a good coating on the metal. I used a brush (clean, unused) to wipe off the excess wax.

As I moved my way through the sliders, I put them back onto the rails in the box and tested them. Some needed a bit more wax to slide nicely. Some felt rough when put in even after extra wax, but once the drawer was back on they slide effortlessly.

After all the sliders were back on the rails, I test fit the drawers to make sure I was happy with the way they slid. Some needed a bit more wax, so that was done.

Once all drawers were back in, I made sure the cover still fit nicely, and it does.

I've since added drawer liner but here's some pics of the "after" of the box:
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Thanks for reading. Please feel free to leave any comments or constructive criticisms. Just keep in mind, this is for newbies who may not have experience doing this type of thing before. :)
 
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Lessons learned:
- This wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be.
- It is a very messy job, and yes, you will cut your hands and knuckles getting into all the nooks and crannies of the drawers and the box.
- Paint will come off while you're cleaning. By the end, the brush bristles were stained red. No, it did not leave any bare metal anywhere or seem to have any negative effects on the box - I did this several weeks ago and it still looks OK to me.
- Take your time. This took 2 days to complete. To think it will get done in an afternoon is not possible, as best I can tell.
- It's work, but not hard work. And it's a labour of love.
- Look at an alternate method of lubricating the sliders. I have friction sliders on my workbench, and just lubed them using a very thin coating of 3 in 1 oil, and the slide movement feels much more loose and smooth than the wax (but that isn't to say it's nto smooth using the wax). Time will tell if the bench sliders get gummed up with dust and stuff - these are all in my basement work area which is a dusty place.
- Might want to look at doing some basic cleanup on bad rust areas.
- Take pictures of the "during" phase! ;)
 
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covert

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It's not that bad to tear it down. You could even do it just on the parts that are bothering you. I found a couple of the drawers were sticky too - it was the white grease the previous owner used, all packed into the rails and sliders.

I'm also going to be reaching out to Beach regarding the tubular rivets they used on the drawers. One was replaced by a cheap split rivet at some point and it's loose and bothering me. From what I've heard they are very helpful, even if their modern boxes use screw style pulls.

Ryan
 

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How about a lesson on how to post in normal size. Sorry, wish I could have read the post as I am an avid tool chest restorer, but the size and length of sentences was too much.
 
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How about a lesson on how to post in normal size. Sorry, wish I could have read the post as I am an avid tool chest restorer, but the size and length of sentences was too much.

Thanks for your criticism. It's not constructive, but thanks anyway.

If you're an "avid chest restorer" as you claim, why not do us the favour and post on how to do it, instead of on things like "boo hoo the sentences are too much"?

For the simpletons:
- Take it apart
- Clean it
- Put it together

I guess this is why newer members don't take the time to try and post things around here. Sorry, but this kind of post really grinds my gears - we all haven't been members since 2011 nor are we born experts or tool dealers like yourself.

Thanks again.

Ryan
 

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Box looks great Ryan. Good write up too. Would have been better with pictures, but you're already beating yourself up over that, so I won't...
 
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Nice guide Ryan :) Thanks for taking the time and effort to do the guide.

SoftTail, perhaps if you need a proof read and grammar checked guide on the subject then you should buy a book?
 

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Thanks, Ryan. I love the old beach boxes... I missed out on some a few years ago and have been beating myself up over it ever since.

Love seeing an old box get new life. Great job!


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How about a lesson on how to post in normal size. Sorry, wish I could have read the post as I am an avid tool chest restorer, but the size and length of sentences was too much.

How about something like Green Eggs and Ham? Care those sentences more to your liking?

Great job on the box. I enjoyed reading those long sentences and see your hard work paid off. Thank you for your post!
 

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Excuse me, I wasn't commenting on your use of english and sentence structure, my fault for making it sound that way. I was referring to the extremely large pics and postings, which I see have now been corrected, making this post readable. As far as myself being an avid restorer and posting of such... do your homework, you'll find I've posted many threads on restoration, I'm not a newby at this. I'm not on this site to correct grammar and to be an ******* to new members, however my critisism (?) worked and the thread was corrected, so after being able to read it I can say, nice job on the cabinet. You might want to try a dry lubricant next time instead of the wax, but the box turned out looking great.
 

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Thats an awesome box! I wish I could find one here in Texas, I'm a machinist by day and in school for my A&P at night, and lots of shallow drawers make me happy:drool:
 
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Nice job, sir! I'm not a huge fan of older boxes but that one's pretty nice...
 

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Hey, your post is fine. We can't all be famous authors with years of writing experience!

I enjoyed your narrative and think the final product looks great!! I wish there were more Beach boxes floating around in the US because I really like all the smaller drawers.
 

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I used the PB Blaster graphite spray lube on the friction slides on an old Snap-On KR series. It dries and just leaves the graphite film, which won't attract dust and dirt and get all gunked up. Working good so far.
 
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Thanks for the kind words, everyone. I will be keeping my eyes peeled for a Beach topper. There was a B213 in another lot, but it was more the "big toolbox" style and I want something more like a B26/B29.

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.... it's a labour of love.......

isn't this what it all comes down to?...

Thanks Ryan for the detailed write up, your box looks FANTASTIC! Great job :thumbup:

After seeing this there's no way I'm getting rid of my Beach top like I was considering, I should instead replace the Stack On bottom it sits on with another Beach...
 

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isn't this what it all comes down to?...

Thanks Ryan for the detailed write up, your box looks FANTASTIC! Great job :thumbup:

After seeing this there's no way I'm getting rid of my Beach top like I was considering, I should instead replace the Stack On bottom it sits on with another Beach...

I'd definitely suggest it, if you can. If you like the look of the Beach with the doors closed you'll like how the bottom looks when it's all put away. It should also cost a fraction of the SO box - but I have to ask, how did you come across something made in Canada, on the east coast, in California?
 

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I'd definitely suggest it, if you can. If you like the look of the Beach with the doors closed you'll like how the bottom looks when it's all put away. It should also cost a fraction of the SO box - but I have to ask, how did you come across something made in Canada, on the east coast, in California?

my ex-BIL gave me both the Beach and Stack On as a gift when he closed his computer repair shop some 15 years ago, and since he's an ex I can't ask him how he got them anymore....
And I'd have to say they're rare here in Cali, haven't seen another one in person only occasionally for sale online, but I'm not a pro so I might be wrong on that. Very well made box for sure.

and you should post a pic with the doors closed
 
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I had one before but I must have removed it. Here you go:

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The light is bad because the sun is starting to set and shining right in the basement window. The dents in the doors aren't THAT bad, they are there and noticable but only when the light shines "just so" on them and if you run your hands over them. Don't care to remove them, they add character to the box :)

Also, thanks for sharing the details on your box. Always neat to see how these things make their way around the globe!

Also, coincidentally, the workbench beside the tool chest is a Stack On. Bought it on kijiji, know nothing of the brand. Mine seems like entry-level, but the company does make the Gladiator brand stuff sold at places like Sears. How is it?
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......... Also, coincidentally, the workbench beside the tool chest is a Stack On. Bought it on kijiji, know nothing of the brand. Mine seems like entry-level, but the company does make the Gladiator brand stuff sold at places like Sears. How is it?
Ryan

IMHO, Stack On and Gladiator are only "home owner" grade. They are "adequate" but just "meh".
 

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I have one of those, but it's a Craftsman so it has black drawers and full length handles. It's my basement box, and I've had it since new. So sorry, no dents in the cover like yours. :evil:

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Ryan, great write-up and information. I only wish I had an older box to clean up and work on. I like old and older tools and a classic box would look great. Here, in North Jersey, every time I look on Craigslist, it seems that sellers think they own "gold" and ask some stupid money for ****.

Thanks again. :beer:
 

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Excuse me, I wasn't commenting on your use of english and sentence structure, my fault for making it sound that way. I was referring to the extremely large pics and postings, which I see have now been corrected, making this post readable. As far as myself being an avid restorer and posting of such... do your homework, you'll find I've posted many threads on restoration, I'm not a newby at this. I'm not on this site to correct grammar and to be an ******* to new members, however my critisism (?) worked and the thread was corrected, so after being able to read it I can say, nice job on the cabinet. You might want to try a dry lubricant next time instead of the wax, but the box turned out looking great.

I, I, i, me again. Let it go. You continue to make a fool of yourself.
 
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