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Roll-In Bandsaw

Modern Jess

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Like most of you, I have a limited amount of space in my shop, and have to make the most of it. When I started thinking about bandsaws, a machinist friend of mine showed me his Roll-In Bandsaw, and easily convinced me that this was the saw to have when you can only have one. It's a vertical metalworking saw, but it has a clever gravity / track mechanism that will feed the blade into heavy stock slowly, like a horizontal bandsaw. You can also lock it in place and use it as a profiling saw, or even press it into service as a wood bandsaw if necessary. It is an awesome machine.

It's also prohibitively expensive. With a list price around $4800, I was reluctant to shell out for a new one. And used ones don't come up for sale that often, certainly not locally. Not that many people have them, and the people that do seem to keep them forever.

So I waited, and bided my time. Then a few weeks ago, my machinist friend handed me an auction flyer that listed a Roll-In saw in an upcoming auction for a machine shop that is going out of business. I had never attended a live auction before, but I figured it might be my only chance to pick up one of these saws on the secondary market. Sure enough, I managed to win the bidding for significantly less than I was willing to pay -- $900, plus buyer's premium. Another $180 got it dropped off at my house by a local rigger, and a bit more work and it is now safely ensconced in my shop.

Of course, the reason I got it for only $900 is that this one is diiiiirrrrr-tay. Every possible nook and cranny is stuffed with aluminum shavings, in a binder of dried cutting fluid. Most of the mechanicals are in good shape, the tires need to be replaced, and the counterweight is missing. But that's about the extent of the problems. I am cautiously optimistic that the paint underneath all the dried oil will be in pretty good shape.

The history of the company starts sometime in the 1940s, but this particular saw was made in 2000. So not too old, all things considered.

Now begins the arduous task of cleaning this thing up.

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Nice score!

I was in the same boat, but I don't do much wood work, so I went with the HEM Femi portable horizontal band saw. It was $1500 and only weighs 40 pounds. It cuts 3" steel square tube and pipe (1/4" wall) very well for such a small machine. 2" and smaller material is a cake walk. It is rated to do a 45 degree angle on 3" and 90 degree cut on 4 3/4" IIRC.

If I had the room for a big saw, I would have considered a HF horizontal or maybe a better grade of the same design.

That saw looks like it should be very capable and it will probably take some pretty big material. A vertical saw would be nice to have sometimes.

With your post count, I am sure you have seen a lot of the resto threads. That saw doesn't look all that bad. It looks like a fun project. Keep us updated as you dig into it.
 

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Those are nice saws. A shop I used to work at had one, very versatile. It should clean up nice. I use a combination of Zep Orange degreaser and oven cleaner, depending on scum thickness.
 

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Congrats, they are nice although different machines. If I ever found one cheap enough I'd probably jump ship to from the horizontal and vertical saws. They are pretty simple machines when you get down to it.

Nice Assistent too.
 

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very nice saw. I have one as well, it earns it's keep. I don't use any cutting fluid, occasionally a stick of wax like cutting stuff on the back of the blade to keep it from squeaking. It is still a mess, so don't plan on yours staying clean after you spruce it up, unless you never use it.

Looks like you could use a clamp as well, they have a special one that fits the hole in the fence, well worth having.

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Modern Jess

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I was in the same boat, but I don't do much wood work, so I went with the HEM Femi portable horizontal band saw.

Those are nice, and I considered going that route. They look like really useful machines.

With your post count, I am sure you have seen a lot of the resto threads. That saw doesn't look all that bad. It looks like a fun project. Keep us updated as you dig into it.

Definitely. Some of the restorations I've seen here are just spectacular. My plans are a little less spectacular, and a bit more practical. I'd still like to get it clean and shiny, of course. But then I'm going to use it and get it dirty again. :)

Try motorcycle wheel cleaner on the burned-on cutting oil.

I use a combination of Zep Orange degreaser and oven cleaner, depending on scum thickness.

Thanks for the tips on cleaners! I'm still trying to figure out what cuts through that grime, so the suggestions are welcome. I've tried WD-40 (didn't work) and a mix of alcohol / heptane cleaner that I use elsewhere (didn't work), so I'll definitely try your suggestions next.

Congrats, they are nice although different machines. If I ever found one cheap enough I'd probably jump ship to from the horizontal and vertical saws. They are pretty simple machines when you get down to it.

Yep. It seemed really complex at first, but the more I poke at it, the more it's just a really well-designed, simple machine.

Nice Assistent too.

Hah! Well spotted.
 
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Modern Jess

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very nice saw. I have one as well, it earns it's keep. I don't use any cutting fluid, occasionally a stick of wax like cutting stuff on the back of the blade to keep it from squeaking. It is still a mess, so don't plan on yours staying clean after you spruce it up, unless you never use it.

Sage advice. :)

Looks like you could use a clamp as well, they have a special one that fits the hole in the fence, well worth having.

As it happens, during the auction I saw the clamp grouped in with a bunch of C-clamps in a different lot. I thought it looked out of place, but didn't think any more of it. When I got home (excited at having won the saw at auction) I started looking more closely at the accessories available, and realized that the clamp I had seen went with this saw. Day late and a dollar short, as they say. Someone out there now has a weird-looking C-Clamp that they won't know what to do with, and I'll have to get a replacement. :dunno:
 

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I've put some serious thought into building something similar out of a 4x6 horizontal. Just needed a way to securely attach the guide bearings to the saw frame. Then build a base. They are very simple, yet shockingly expensive when you look at the design.

Start with a scraper blade, a pick and a shop vac to knock off most of the large chips and dried on deposits. Then progress on to the soap and solvent solutions.
 

Always Fix'n Cars

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I'm surprised you found one! I hunted at length and couldn't find one to buy.

Yeah, 30 minutes from my house!

Do you think the Roll-In saw or a larger Dayton Horizontal saw is better? I can get the Roll-In for $1,000 or a Dayton Wet Saw (4YG30 design) for $500-600.
 

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Different designs (kinda). IF you don't have a vertical and don't plan on doing heavy contouring work and the Roll in is in good shape I'd go that route. I haven't used a roll in extensively enough for contour work to find it's limitations. Additionally if you plan on cutting full length sticks on a daily basis with a roller table, you would most likely be better off with a horizontal setup.
 

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Thanks zkling. I'm going to look at the horizontal saw tomorrow. It's in really good shape. I've had the smaller model before, but this is the larger direct drive model with blade lubrication and auto drop. My smaller one went vertical and had an attachable deck for shaping work. I just want a bigger one for straighter cuts and longer blade life. I'm getting it a price that I will be able to get my money back if necessary.
 
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I ended up picking up the Dayton 4YG30. I can use it vertically or horizontally if I want.

When I got there the motor would just hum and not turn. The guy needed it gone and agreed to sell if to me for $100. I brought it home and had to open the motor up and correct and internal issue. It works great now...and for $100!

Does anyone know where to get an Dayton 4YG30 owners manual for this saw? Also, any recommendations on a good 93" blade for mild steel, and for the cutting fluid would be appreciated.

4YG30_AS01
 
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I ended up picking up the Dayton 4YG30. I can use it vertically or horizontally if I want.

When I got there the motor would just hum and not turn. The guy needed it gone and agreed to sell if to me for $100. I brought it home and had to open the motor up and correct and internal issue. It works great now...and for $100!

Nicely done!
 
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Just a quick status update. I already posted this in my build thread, but thought I should bring this thread full circle.

Here's the saw after much scrubbing and scraping. Quite a bit better than I started with.

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Does anyone know where to get an Dayton 4YG30 owners manual for this saw? Also, any recommendations on a good 93" blade for mild steel, and for the cutting fluid would be appreciated.

4YG30_AS01

What pitch blade are you looking for? I use a fine pitch 14-18 Starrett and it works fine for home use. I get my blades from http://www.pts-tools.com if you need a part number I think I might still have it.
 
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Wow - That looks great. Huge improvement, nicely done! Cut with it yet?

Yup. The original saw blade was spent. Got three new Starrett blades from McMaster earlier this week, and immediately put on the 3/4" 4-6 tooth and cut a slice off a big block of aluminum. It powered right through it, and the cut was pretty smooth.
 
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