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mrjaw14

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Hey guys,

I want to hear from some professional techs and experienced DIY guys about roloc discs. I had a kit from IR I got at Northern Tool with 3 roloc discs, 3 sandpaper discs, etc. I used the medium and fine roloc discs when I had to help change a water pump. The kit costs $20. I want to get some medium and fine grit roloc discs without having to buy a whole new $20 kit. Where are you guys getting your Roloc discs. I'm sure most of you buy boxes of 50, anyone know where to get just a few, like 5-10?

what are you guys using to clean mating surfaces on water pumps and other gasketed surfaces?

Any opinions on the bristle discs vs the scotch brite style roloc discs?
 
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2", 3" or 4"?

Production floor here orders Norton brand discs in bulk and they work great.
Sanding disc go by grit.
Scotchbrite discs go by color of course.

My local harware store sells 2" and 3" Norton sanding and scotch brite pad discs individually.

I use online or NAPA when I need the bristle scrubbers.

And which roloc you use (male vs female disc set up) can help or hurt what you find where.
 
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mrjaw14

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I have a 3" kit, but I want to get a 2". Which hardware store sells individual discs and about how much do they run?

which color scotchbrite pads do you use when removing a gasket?
 

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I have a 3" kit, but I want to get a 2". Which hardware store sells individual discs and about how much do they run?

which color scotchbrite pads do you use when removing a gasket?

You'll have to look at 3M's website ofr disc colors.

Xtra Fine is light gray.
Then there is blue, red and brown, but I can't remember which grit is which color.
There may be a green as well.

2" soctchbrites are about $1.50 ea IIRC and 3" $2 or so at my mom and pop Ace store.
Big box stores will not have a clue.

I work in mfg. so no car repair here, but 3M should list andclaify grits, but I guess the medium, fine or extra fine should work depending upon gasket mat'l on the faces
 

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I use a lot of the bristle disc that are yellow they work great on water pump and surface prep. I believe O'reilly sells packs of 5 or 10 I have purchased before.

I recommend looking for 3m brand I have had bad luck with mountain brand disc
 

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That kit you got from Northern, was it labeled for drill, die grinder, or did it have an RPM limit on the packaging?

Pretty sure the one I got only has the limit printed on the backing pad and they don't specify other than that. I've only used it on the drill so far but figured with 1/4" shank it should do ok in the grinder at 20k (limit says 24k).
 
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I use a lot of the bristle disc that are yellow they work great on water pump and surface prep. I believe O'reilly sells packs of 5 or 10 I have purchased before.

I recommend looking for 3m brand I have had bad luck with mountain brand disc

I like these also. They cut aggressively enough without being too aggressive on aluminum. Although they are more expensive, in my experience they last longer especially around grease,oil,uncured paint, and some sealants. The scotch brite rolocs will quickly become clogged when the bristle discs will be unaffected.
 

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I like these also. They cut aggressively enough without being too aggressive on aluminum. Although they are more expensive, in my experience they last longer especially around grease,oil,uncured paint, and some sealants. The scotch brite rolocs will quickly become clogged when the bristle discs will be unaffected.

X2 last a lot longer
 

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I use a scraper and emery cloth with brake clean to clean the surface to CLean my mating surfaces.
 

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General Motors Technical Service Bulletin for what it's worth


INFORMATION

Bulletin No.: 00-06-01-012D

Date: October 25, 2011

Subject: Use of "Surface Conditioning Disks" When Cleaning Engine Gasket Sealing Surfaces and/or Reused Engine Parts

Models:
2013 and Prior GM Passenger Cars and Trucks
Supercede:
This bulletin is being revised to add the 2010-2013 model years and add Alternative Cleaning Method. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 00-06-01-012C (Section 06 - Engine/Propulsion System).
The Use of "Surface Conditioning Disks"



Notice
Do not use abrasive pad/bristle devices to clean the gasket surfaces of engine components. Abrasive pads should not be used for the following reasons:
- Abrasive pads will produce fine grit that the oil filter will not be able to remove from the oil. THIS GRIT IS ABRASIVE AND HAS BEEN KNOWN TO CAUSE INTERNAL ENGINE DAMAGE. Abrasive pads can easily remove enough material to round cylinder head surfaces. This has been known to affect the gasket's ability to seal, especially in the narrow seal areas between the combustion chambers and coolant jackets.
- Abrasive pads, wire and abrasive rubber finger wheels can also remove enough metal to affect cylinder head, block, oil pan rail, and intake manifold runner flatness, which can cause coolant and oil leaks and air leaks. It takes about 15 seconds to remove 0.203 mm (0.008 in) of metal with an abrasive pad.
- Abrasive pads, Abrasive rubber fingers wheels & wire wheels with high speeds grinders produce air bourn debris that can travel throughout the shop contaminating other work being performed outside of the immediate work area.
When cleaning engine gasket sealing surfaces and/or cleaning parts from an engine that are to be reused, surface conditioning disks (typically constructed of woven fiber or molded bristles) that contain abrasives, such as a high amount of Aluminum Oxide, should NOT be used.

The use of such surface conditioning disks dislodges Aluminum Oxide (from the disk) and metal particles, which can lead to premature engine bearing failure.

The presence of Aluminum Oxide in engine oil has been shown to cause premature engine bearing failure. In some cases, this failure occurs in as little as 2,200 km (1,000 mi) or less after the repair has been made.

Surface conditioning disks may grind the component material and imbed it into the disk. This can result when more aggressive grinding of the gasket surface takes place.

Recommended Cleaning Procedure

General Motors recommends the use of a razor blade or plastic gasket scraper to clean the gasket surface on engine components that are to be reused. When cleaning gasket surfaces, please note the following:

- When using a razor blade type gasket scraper, use a new razor blade for each cylinder head and corresponding block surface. Hold the blade as parallel to the gasket surface as possible. This will ensure that the razor blade does not gouge or scratch the gasket surfaces.
- Do not gouge or scrape the combustion chamber surfaces.
- Do not gouge or scratch any engine-sealing surface during the cleaning process.
Alternative Cleaning Method:

To properly clean the sealing surface prior to reassembly, GM Low VOC Cleaner, P/N 19287401 (in Canada, PN 88901247), should be sprayed on the mating surface. Use care to avoid getting solvent in any area other than the mating surface to be cleaned. Allow it to soak in for several minutes to loosen the old RTV sealer/gasket material. GM strongly recommends using a plastic razor blade or non- metallic scraper to remove all loose sealer/gasket material.

Important
The appearance of the gasket surface is not critical - the feel is. There will be indentations from the gasket left in the cylinder head after all the gasket material is removed. The new gasket will fill these small indentations when it is installed.
 

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Haven't seen them in a while, but 2" yellow rubber bristle 3M Roloc pads were my disc of choice. Worked great for everything and didn't eat into the metal. Hard time finding them though, I've been holding onto 3 used ones for a few years now.
 
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That GM TSB is interesting. I was concerned about some of that, so I tried to use the "buffing followed with the "polishing" discs so it wouldn't remove metal. I also had used compressed air to clean followed up with rubbing alcohol. But I know that could still lead to issues. It's interesting how many mechanics swear by the bristles and biscuits and how many swear them off. I did notice that the TSB seamed to be geared towards head gaskets, which I believe should always be machined. I know oil pans, intakes, etc are mentioned, but the water pump I just did the timing cover and block were pitted anyway (truck is a '97) so I wasn't too concerned with removing 8 thou because I was using RTV to supplement the gasket to help fill the pits.

Has anyone ever been bit using a roloc disk or bristle pad?
 

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The most economical source I have found is vendors at auto swap meets.
 

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I think HF sells them as well as the other sources listed. I use them all the time. I know you're not supposed to use them on heads/blocks, but I know a few mechanics that have been using them for years with no issues. they make short work of cleaning up heads for gasket replacements in spite of the TSB warnings...YMMV
 
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