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drz rider

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I'm at year 24 on shingles warrantied for 20 years. No problems and still look good but need new shingles. I've seen a second layer installed over existing shingles and also complete removal and replacement.
Do you have any suggestions on which way to go?
 
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I'm at year 24 on shingles warrantied for 20 years. No problems and still look good but need new shingles. I've seen a second layer installed over existing shingles and also complete removal and replacement.
Do you have any suggestions on which way to go?

As long as the code allows it there is nothing wrong with a 2nd layer of shingles. As long as you don't have rotten wood to replace I'd leave the roof in place and put a 2nd one over it.

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Tear off and replace is always going to be better IMHO. You would be nearly doubling the weight of the roof. If you don;t intend to be there at the end of the next 20, then up to you really. Thanks to regular hail issues, mostly insurance pays for roofs here.
 

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I'm at year 24 on shingles warrantied for 20 years. No problems and still look good but need new shingles. I've seen a second layer installed over existing shingles and also complete removal and replacement.
Do you have any suggestions on which way to go?

If looks good and no problems, then why do you need new ones?

Have you thought about metal or composite roofing, and not worry again in your lifetime?
 

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Many put the second course on but after 24 years I would like to see the condition of the plywood, facia and barg boards to identify any weak spots. It also allows ease of replacing flashings.
 

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I had a second layer 30 year roof for 24 years. Shingles started shifting and slipping about 5 years ago on the back of the house. Keep in mind, it was an installation error, they nailed too high and used short nails. It was not an age or product issue. Last spring I had a tear off and a complete new GAF lifetime system installed. I'd be concerned about what the condition of everything is underneath the existing roof, but if you're looking to move soon or can't/don't want to spend the extra for the tear off, a second layer is not a big deal if your AHJ allows it.

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I have a three layer on some of my roof. Been there twenty years at least. Probably more like forty. Been stripping as needed like when I did the chimney. Never again will it have more then one. Just my preference as the existing mess has never leaked and is nice and flat. If I touch it it crumbles like a cracker so I keep off of it


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I have a three layer on some of my roof. Been there twenty years at least. Probably more like forty. Been stripping as needed like when I did the chimney. Never again will it have more then one. Just my preference as the existing mess has never leaked and is nice and flat. If I touch it it crumbles like a cracker so I keep off of it


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:shocking: Yikes. Sounds like fun. BTW, International Existing Building Code only allows two layers of asphalt shingles. The added weight creates a structural issue.

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two layers is max most places, and some cities like the one I am in require tearoff, inspection of the wood, and when needed laying 7/16" OSB over the old sheathing, or tear off and replace sheathing. I just had a new GAF roof installed a week ago to replace the one from 1996, and the one thing I see that is different, is that product lines like GAF etc., sell a complete package instead of only shingles. They sell the underlayment, the tiles, and the venting. To meet code here the tiles have to be nailed on and not stapled. This new roof is an energy efficient reflective tile, it was 29 squares and cost about $13,000. That includes everything including gutters. My next door neighbor did his roof about 2002, and just laid over. They have lots of dry rot that was never dealt with so the next roof they put on is going to be expensive. A couple of their trusses are drooping so that tells me that the rot is into the trusses in that area. I only had rot on a couple facia boards, but I had complete tear off last time. The tar paper / felt that was under the tiles was so brittle that you can't pick a piece up without it shattering in to 50 pieces. That was 23 year's old, and that is mostly what seals your roof. Can you imagine what the 40 year old paper/felt is like on the house next door that did not tear off? The economy of just laying a new layer over may seem like a savings but it really isn't if moisture gets into the wood and causes rot. It took 5 or 6 guys about 2 hours to tear off this roof, and a trip to the landfill. @ $50 per person that is like $300 per hour or about $650. In 1996 it cost $250 to tear off. I don't see the savings by not tearing off. One saves $650 now and pays $8,000 is dry rot repairs later. That is a negative 10% rate of return.
 
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:shocking: Yikes. Sounds like fun. BTW, International Existing Building Code only allows two layers of asphalt shingles. The added weight creates a structural issue.

Tommy

Our old house had three over wood shingles and in places on the back they found as much as 5 layers in some weird effort to get a smooth surface over varying decking heights caused by crappy re-work. :wtf: $$$ to fix over insurance but we fixed it.
 

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I'm at year 24 on shingles warrantied for 20 years. No problems and still look good but need new shingles. I've seen a second layer installed over existing shingles and also complete removal and replacement.
Do you have any suggestions on which way to go?

Get in the attic and inspect the underside of the roof deck. Especially penetrations. Get up on top and walk it too. If all is well than reroof (2nd layer). Back in 88 I was in same position as you are now. The reroof cost me $333 for 15 sq of 3 tabs , self installed in one loooong day. Use nails long enough to penetrate the roof deck.
A generation from now when the two layers get ripped you'll need a bit bigger dumpster but they come off just as easy as one layer.
I ripped my 2 layers and and roofed fresh 2017 for $2250/ 15 sq. That was one day, me and two day laborers and dump fee.
Skiff
 
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:shocking: Yikes. Sounds like fun. BTW, International Existing Building Code only allows two layers of asphalt shingles. The added weight creates a structural issue.

Tommy

yup. i was worried when i took off one side of the roof that the snow load would be unbalanced. thank goodness they put in cross bracing to support the chimney!! good thing about that many shingles is they come off in bunches. none of that single layer stripping. i was dropping 30 pound boulders off with each handfull.

seriously though two is max. unless i was in a situation where it was leaking AND i was broke i'd stick with stripping.
 
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Thank you everyone for your replies. I can only guess everything is OK with the roof deck as I don't have any leaks. I'm going to have a quote done for both overlay and remove and replace.
 

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What is Your roof pitch ?

If They look good and no problems, why replace at this time ?

The steeper the pitch the longer shingles will last.

Would need good up close pictures to see if I would replace !
 

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I prefer to have my roof Scraped and replaced.. just did my 1948 house 2 years ago, had a handful of 1x6’s that needed replacing, and just had my 24x24 shop done that was ~20 years old.. it also needed 2-4x8 sheets replaced.. never “leaked” but was rotting from taking on some moisture..

plus I think the edges of the roof look like **** when they’re double stacked.. just my opinion, but it’s minimal cost for a cleaner finished product


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My take is that with tear-off you can get better materials like synthetic (woven) underlayment and ice+water shield which weren't on the open market 20+ years ago.

I was super impressed at how water resistant the synthetic underlayment was, like no detectable leaks thru several rainstorms with laps over the ridge vent slot which I cut open at the very end.

I would recommend 5 nails per shingle despite most roofers using 4 except in coastal zones which can require up to 6. Its key to have a crew that doesn't high-nail or overdrive the nailheads (most actively monitor and adjust set-depth if using the nailgun) as both of those are fatal flaws.

If you don't have visible issues like delamination or fallen shingles and no leaks then why not keep going? Its likely a good shingle and a quality installation.
 

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The stated warranty does not determine the condition of shingles. A 20 year shingle could last for 30 years or 10 depending on many factors, you don't have to replace them right on 20 years.

If you were to put a 2nd layer maximum, I would only do it on top of 3tab. And some roofers will just leave all the same boots, vents and flashings (then install a new ridge vent), pry up the bottom leg to slide the new shingle under it, then tar seal the heck out of it there.

For resale, IMO it is a bad sign, when you see it you wonder what else did the seller skimp on? A tear off with proper waterproof membrane, starters on the eaves and rakes, new drip edge, and architectural is the way to go.
 

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I put a new roof on our house in '83 using 20 year rated 3 tab shingles. At that time I did a complete tearoff including replacing the entire roof deck with 5/8 CDX plywood. The roof is a 9/12 pitch and the shingles held up for 34 years. In 2017 I noticed that some of the tabs were starting to break off so although I had no leaks I decided to do a shingle over job. Since there were no leaks I couldn't see how the deck would have been damaged in any way.

I used an architectural shingle this time that has a supposed lifetime warranty, but that doesn't matter much to me since at my age if they lasted 20 years that would more than cover my own lifetime.

If there is only one layer down now and the deck is in good shape a shingle over would be way less expensive than a complete tearoff, but it's up to what you feel comfortable with.
 

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plus I think the edges of the roof look like **** when they’re double stacked.. just my opinion, but it’s minimal cost for a cleaner finished product


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I don't disagree on tearoff being best, but edge appearance doesn't have to be bad when doubling up. The correct way is to cut the first layer back even with the drip edge. Now install a new drip edge that covers both the old one and the cut shingle edge. No old components will be visible.

That said, IME a roofover will cut the life of the new shingles by a lot. I think it's due to sun heating. Edges curl sooner and granules shed faster.
 

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Thank you everyone for your replies. I can only guess everything is OK with the roof deck as I don't have any leaks. I'm going to have a quote done for both overlay and remove and replace.

Get in the attic and check. Anything but that is a wild *** guess.
 
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