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Roto-head ratchets at HF

Tlag

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I picked up the stubby 1/4 drive a couple weeks ago and kind of like it. No issues when used as intended, but it does have a touch of flex that sends a don't even think about real torque message. I can't say that is a flaw in a 1/4 drive stubby swivel, maybe keeps me out of trouble.

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Thanks,

Yea, I expected the same warning as with the ratcheting wrenches. "Don't try to use this as a breaker bar!"

The swivel heads seem like a great way to start out using it like a nut driver and then be able to at least snug it up to the point I'd switch to a torque wrench.

Plus, I'm doing more and more of my own auto work, and I'm finding its kind of nice to have to multiple ratchets queued up with common size sockets, rather than having to "unload" my 10mm or 13mm all the time.
 
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I use my HF Swivels all the time. They have served me well. I like the larger 3/8" and the 1/2" style with the older handles. The older handles let me use it as a driver for quick removing of nuts and bolts. The larger are quite beefy so remove whatever nuts and bolts I have used them on.

I seem to always be grabbing them. It seems when I am doing something, I bring a couple different ratchets with me and one gets the job done.

I even used my GearRatchet from Gearwrench today removing very tight space nut from my VW engine bay. The slim profile of the GearRatchet worked nicely.

I think all these tools, including the HF Swivels, come in handy all the time, even if the full-time pros don't like em much.

tj
 

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That reminds me...

I have a 1/4" one but haven't used it a whole lot. The ratcheting action isn't quite the smoothest... I need to take it apart and put some red goo in :)

Has anybody had one of these apart? I just looked at it again and don't see any obvious way of taking it apart...
 

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That reminds me...

I have a 1/4" one but haven't used it a whole lot. The ratcheting action isn't quite the smoothest... I need to take it apart and put some red goo in :)

Has anybody had one of these apart? I just looked at it again and don't see any obvious way of taking it apart...

So take it back and swap it with them. That ratchet should be smooth as silk. I have the 1/4" and the 1/2" and both are smooth as glass, my 3/8" is an SK and I like it best cause it is an SK. :beer:
 

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UB, my 3/8" is an SK as well and really smooth. I knew I wouldn't use the 1/4" that much, that's why I got the HF.

I don't think the HF one has anything wrong with it. The action feels somewhere between a Cman raised panel and a Cman pro, but with (a lot) less slop. The torque on the ratcheting stroke is quite high, though. I'm pretty sure if I could get some better lube in there, it would be smooth...
 

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That reminds me...

I have a 1/4" one but haven't used it a whole lot. The ratcheting action isn't quite the smoothest... I need to take it apart and put some red goo in :)

Has anybody had one of these apart? I just looked at it again and don't see any obvious way of taking it apart...

I just picked up the 3/8 a couple days ago. I havent used it yet, but just playing with it, the ratcheting dosent feel that smooth either. If I could lube it, I'm sure it would smooth out. It seems to work fine, the ratcheting clicks are kinda nosiy which some lube would also help. All and all I think it will work fine, kinda got it as a backup.
 

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I don't think the HF one has anything wrong with it. The action feels somewhere between a Cman raised panel and a Cman pro, but with (a lot) less slop. The torque on the ratcheting stroke is quite high, though. I'm pretty sure if I could get some better lube in there, it would be smooth...

I bought one of the original 1/4 HF rotos with the red/yellow handles and the ratcheting drag was also very high. I exchanged it for one that was only slightly better (with the same handle). Even after lubing it and trying to accelerate the break-in process, it was still a little rough.

This one had the split-ring holding the gear in. I changed it with a different ratchet and it made a pretty big difference. It's almost like the spring tension was too high, or it may have been holding the gear in at an angle. I lightly sanded the spring smooth and greased it so that the contact with the handle/housing was a little smoother.

Anyhow, unfortunately, if you have the newer style with the red/black handle (no yellow), then I don't think the it has the same retaining split-ring, and I don't know how it opens. (my 3/8 HF roto is like that and I can't figure out how to open it)
 

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I just picked up the 3/8 a couple days ago. I havent used it yet, but just playing with it, the ratcheting dosent feel that smooth either. If I could lube it, I'm sure it would smooth out. It seems to work fine, the ratcheting clicks are kinda nosiy which some lube would also help. All and all I think it will work fine, kinda got it as a backup.

mine is pretty rough too but I can't figure out how to open it
 

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mine is pretty rough too but I can't figure out how to open it


I thought HF ratchets were "self opening" when applying torque ratchet will inevitably slip causing removal of skin on knuckles which results in ratchet getting thrown at wall which in turn self opens spilling it guts on the floor...... :lol_hitti
 
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Sadly, mine doesn't have any yellow on the handle and I haven't found a split ring yet... But it has to come apart somehow, right? And I don't mean with a sledge... :D
 

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For what its worth...

Just got back for checking out these swivel head ratchets: Gearwrench (at Sears), Harbor Freight Pittsburgh and Lowes Kobalt models. I had to be out anyway, so I'm not charging the extra 2 hours of my time and gallon of gas to the " swivel ratchet research" project.

HF had just one 3/8 regular length (96782) left on the rack. It had the yellow ovals on the red handle, lots of 3/8 stubbys with no yellow. The regular size was on sale for $12.99, stubbies same price, but not on sale. I couldn't see any obvious way to disassemble either version. Both sides looked flush with the frame. Maybe if you pull the head off of the split shaft something reveals itself. They worked fine, and looked well finished, but the torque required to get it to ratchet seemed a little high to me. Compared to my "raised box" handled Craftsman from the 80' (which isn't exactly like butter) it took more torque to get the Pittsburgh to move. The 3/8 felt more like what I would expect on a 1/2 inch ratchet. The 1/4 inch was better, but still seemed like it was a little tight. The 1/2 inch seemed tight too, but didn't seem much more that the 3/8. On the 1/2" regular length swivel head, with yellow handle, it was obvious that there is a retaining clip of some sort, that would allow you to take it apart.

I compared the Pittsburgh swivel 3/8 to the Pittsburgh 3/8 indexing version that was almost the same price but not on sale. It took much less force to turn. (It was less than my Craftsman takes too.)

Next I went to Sears and looked at the Gearwrench 1/4 & 3/8 swivel head set. Both units took noticeably less torque to make them ratchet compared to the HF Pittsburgh units. I wanted to buy them on the spot. They were $59.99 for the 1/4 & 3/8 set. You can buy both the Pittsburgh 1/4 ($9.99) & 3/8 ($12.99) for $22.98 on sale. I didn't actually need them today, and since the Gearwrenches weren't on sale, I kept my powder dry and my money in my pocket.

I've been watching since November for the Gearwrench to go on sale at Sears, but haven't notice them. Gearwrench ratcheting wrenches yes, but not the ratchets. Maybe I missed it.

Then to Lowes. The Lowes around me carry the Gearwrench ratchet wrenches, but not the ratchets. But they did have 1/4 & 3/8 swivel ratchet in their Koballt line. It felt just as good as the Gearwrench at Sears, probably made by Danaher, just like Gearwrench. But unlike the Gearwrench and Pittsburgh swivel heads, the Kobalts don't have the quick release. The 1/4 inch was $25 and the 3/8 was $30, not on sale. The other difference is the handle. The Kobalts have a softer, more comfortable (imho), blue handle. Maybe a compromise on durability though?

Conclusion: Depends on what you need. Its worth it to me on the 1/4 and 3/8 to have the lower ratchet torque. And I'd like to have the quick release, so I'll wait until the Gearwrench set goes on sale, or I'm working on something I could at least use them on, then buy the Gearwrench 1/4 & 3/8 inch set.

But I also bought the 1/2" Pittsburgh swivel head on the way back home for $17.99. Its ok as-is for my purpose, and I can see how to open it up, so I can try some better lube to see if I can maybe make it even better. It will also give me something to play around with, to see if a swivel head will be as much help as I expect it will. If not, at least it has more teeth than my box handle Craftsman 1/2 inch.

If you're considering the Pittsburgh units, I would not rule out the possibility that if you tried 10 or 20 of the Pittsburgh units, you might find some that are much better than the rest. And I have no idea about "breaking in" a ratchet. This is the first time I've bought a ratchet since I busted my K-marts, and upgraded to Craftsman back in the 80'.

That's just my untrained, non-certified, unscientific observation.

P.S. If any of you guys want to send me the pro stuff to prove how good it is, I'll be happy to get you my address. ;)
 

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And I'd like to have the quick release, so I'll wait until the Gearwrench set goes on sale, or I'm working on something I could at least use them on, then buy the Gearwrench 1/4 & 3/8 inch set.

I'm pretty sure the Gearwrench roto heads are not quick release. Do you have the model numbers?
 

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Hmmm. Now that you say that, I don't actually recall checking for the quick release on the Gearwrenches. I was focused on if they would be a lighter touch on the ratcheting. I'm not sure why I thought they had quick release.:confused:

So the Kobalts probably are just like the Gearwrench, but with a different handle.
 

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That is the weird thing, the cheapie HF model has quick release and the others don't. I would not mind trying a pro brand sometime and compare to my HF models.

tj
 

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That is the weird thing, the cheapie HF model has quick release and the others don't. I would not mind trying a pro brand sometime and compare to my HF models.

tj

It would be nice to hear your opinion on either the Gearwrench or Kobalts. Which from my limited research seem to be the closest in price. I'm sure any of the $hundo plus pro units would be great. But that's not going to happen any time soon at my "shop".
 

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It would be nice to hear your opinion on either the Gearwrench or Kobalts.

I picked up the 1/4 and 3/8 Gearwrench Rotoratchet set when Sears had them on sale I think around October. I've used them everyday at work since then and they are performing well. I've got not complaints and at less than $35 for the set, I'm quite happy with them. They perform just as well as my Snap on versions. There's really no reason to get more expensive rotoratchets when these perform well. I would wait for a sale and get them:thumbup:

By the way, the Gearwrench rotoratchets do not have a quick release.
 

Tlag

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I picked up the 1/4 and 3/8 Gearwrench Rotoratchet set when Sears had them on sale I think around October. I've used them everyday at work since then and they are performing well. I've got not complaints and at less than $35 for the set, I'm quite happy with them. They perform just as well as my Snap on versions. There's really no reason to get more expensive rotoratchets when these perform well. I would wait for a sale and get them:thumbup:

By the way, the Gearwrench rotoratchets do not have a quick release.

Wow! $35 is great. I'll try to hold out. I have the Gearwrench flex ratchet wrenches, and I've been very happy with them. (About the same time, I got a set of Craftsman basic combo's so I wouldn't be tempted to over torque the ratchet wenches.)

I think the HF roto/swivels are good, and they do have the quick release. I like the 1/2 inch so far, but I haven't done much more than test it out. But its always some sort of compromise, and for me, I think the softer ratcheting would be more useful in the smaller sizes. I'll still be keeping an eye on the HF line, while I wait for a sale on the Gearwrench.

HF has some locking extensions that I'm going to look into. I need something to keep my sparkplug socket from getting stuck. I have a set of their 1/2 inch, deep metric impact sockets and a non-locking set of 1/2 inch extensions that have really served me well.

Thanks to all for your input.
 
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