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So, ignore them, or politely tell them that you're not interested in doing business with them.

Or, be an unprofessional ****, and get your dickery posted on the Internet for all to see and avoid doing business with you.

Exactly! If a business feels a customer is a waste of time, simply ignore that customer. There's no need to be rude or petty like the JCC response quoted here or in LordDiesel's first thread about this. For the business to engage like this (rather than just dismiss the perceived annoyance) takes it to a whole new level of unprofessionalism.
 
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I'm confused. There had to be some correspondence before the email was sent. What was written to jccayer to get the response. What the OP writes doesn't fit the email response.

If this has been addressed after page 1 of this thread, I apologize.
 

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Nonsense. Business is business.
When a company fails to deliver, the customer is fully within their rights to inform others. That's what keeps business straighter with the customers.
 

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Nonsense. Business is business.
When a company fails to deliver, the customer is fully within their rights to inform others. That's what keeps business straighter with the customers.
And to be above board the customer should advise the business that he has informed people via the internet of his complaint so that the business can present its side of the matter. In reality, that rarely happens.
 

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Nonsense. Business is business.
When a company fails to deliver, the customer is fully within their rights to inform others. That's what keeps business straighter with the customers.

I agree,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,IF a business fails to deliver,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the customer certainly has a right to inform others. What we don't have is the whole story here. Heck, we don't really have the complete story from the OP's side.

The company in question may very well be a POS. But we don't have enough info to make that judgement.
 

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Hi everyone.

I have been a lurker for a while, reading through threads here before buying anything. Great site!
Thanks to that orange snap-on thread, I've been bitten by the bug and have started collecting orange snap-on tools.

Anyways I have been itching to buy a Milwaukee 2763-22 M18 Fuel 1/2 impact and I found this site: http://www.jccayer.com/

I have been checking out their website for a bit more than a month now, it has been on pre-order status. I finally emailed Milwaukee and was informed they are available for purchase through a distributor.

Here is the response I got when I forwarded that info to JCCAYER:

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Hi,

It doesn't matter what they say, sadly for you, the information I give you is the accurate information. Please contact Milwaukee for them to ship you one if they are that good.

Do not email us further on this concern, if you contact us to later contact them, then it's a waste a time for us to answer you.

Thank You,

Sylvain Cayer
Internet Sales and Marketing Manager

www.JCCayer.com


"

I have not yet bothered to reply to that email. Needless to say, I will not purchase anything from them.

A question for you Canadians: where can I buy the new Milwaukee M18 Fuel 1/2 and 3/8 impact?

Thanks for reading.

IHL Canda
 
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Gentlemen/women:
I am not a troll, a wannabe anything or someone who is basically here to trash a business. I rarely do this, only when IMO it is warranted.

I understand the skepticism as this was my first thread, but I was simply surprised by the response. Thought you might find it interesting.

I was debating between the Snap-On CT7850 and the Fuel, after reading a few threads here decided to go with the Fuel and also get a 3/8 drive with the amount saved instead of buying the Snap-On.
I found their that website via google search and the reason I was interested was because they are in Ontario and I would get the shipment the next day or two.

I have sent 2 emails and received 2, which the one copied in OP the last reply.

Hi, hope all is well.
>
> I was wondering of the 2763-22 impact is available?
>
> I have sent an email to Milwaukee and according to them, it is available but your website shows
> Pre-Order:
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> http://www.jccayer.com/product.php?productid=7909
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> Please let me know if it is indeed available. If so, how long would it take for you to order it and
> ship it to me.
>
> Thanks

reply 1

Hi,

This is still a Pre-Order until we receive the first unit.

The moment you would place your order, we would place the order with
Milwaukee, if what they say is true and available, maximum 2 to 3 weeks
after we should be getting it.

Thank You,

Sylvain Cayer
Internet Sales and Marketing Manager

www.JCCayer.com

Hi,
This is the email reply from Milwaukee:

"

Hi ***,

The 2763-22 is available. You will need to purchase it from a Milwaukee distributor.

Thank you,

xxxx xxxx

Customer Care & Service Support

TTi Canada Inc.

Milwaukee Electric Tool Division
"

Please inquire about how long it would take you to get this item. I would like to get one, the sooner the better.


Many thanks.

and last reply
Hi,

It doesn't matter what they say, sadly for you, the information I give you is the accurate information. Please contact Milwaukee for them to ship you one if they are that good.

Do not email us further on this concern, if you contact us to later contact them, then it's a waste a time for us to answer you.

Thank You,

Sylvain Cayer

So I must ask: was I wrong for wanting to know when exactly I am getting the impact? As mentioned, it has been on pre-order status on their website since past month (and probably before then) and I did not want to place an order and wait 2 months before getting it. He did not bother checking and instead sent me that email.
If somehow/someway I am to be blamed, that is no way to treat a potential customer.
 

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I think if someone starts such a thread they should at least include the original email.
I will also point out 2 things:
1) It seems that the owner is a french Canadian. Unlike me, some French Canadians really dislike English Canadians. Perhaps most of their business is commercial with companies in Québec. And that when an english speaker sends an email about potentially maybe buying stuff, it annoys them. Especially if they have to ship out of the province
2) altought not everybody realizes it, not everybody speaks english. In Québec lots if people have a hard time understanding english and maybe the essence of your email got lost in translation and they felt you had been rude yourself. And they answered accordingly. If the OP would post the original email, it may explain a few things
 

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For all those complaining about this being his first post, look at the Join Date, 2012, he is has been here over year. Doubt someone would go to that much work to slander another company.
 

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2) altought not everybody realizes it, not everybody speaks english. In Québec lots if people have a hard time understanding english and maybe the essence of your email got lost in translation and they felt you had been rude yourself. And they answered accordingly. If the OP would post the original email, it may explain a few things

At the risk of beating a dead horse, that's irrelevant. If a business feels a customer was rude, the proper response is not to, well, respond rudely.

Furthermore if he can't properly understand "english" English he's in the wrong job - - OR he should know that he may have mis-interpreted a response and err on the safe side by not responding rudely. Just as I get annoyed with customer service in India; if your accent so thick I can't understand you, you are not the proper person for phone support when speaking with Americans.

edit: more succinctly, it's called a BFOQ, at least here in the States. If your company intends to sell to english Canada a BFOQ of the person who is in charge of interfacing with the customer via the website would be the ability to communicate fluently with your customers.
 
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For all those complaining about this being his first post, look at the Join Date, 2012, he is has been here over year. Doubt someone would go to that much work to slander another company.

No kidding. I sent them one email and had to put up with with this kid. Then i found their ebay negative comments and was blown away.

I'm guessing this isn't going to be the last thread posted here on this subject.
 

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1)Unlike me, some French Canadians really dislike English Canadians.

Oh i know this. This one french guy...... well... i banged his HOT french girl friend. I don't know what he was saying to me, but he sure sounded mad. :lol:

I love french women!
 

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watch out for Sylvain, he's a ****!

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Giant ****, I think you meant.
 

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Well I decided to try it myself. Yesterday I sent an e-mail and I purposefully misspelled LXT calling it an LTX and asked questions that would most likely be easy to find on the web. In other words I was being an anchor of a customer. Below is my original question and his answer.


Hello,

I have some of the Makita 18v LTX tools and one of the batteries died on me. Is there any issues with hazmat sending batteries to the states?

Also I use the Milwaukee M12 line and have been thinking about slowly adding some of the Fuel tools. Will my older batteries retrofit to the Fuel tools?


Thanks,
Mike


Hi Mike,

we send batteries to anywhere in the world everyday.

All Milwaukee M12 batteries will fit on all M12 tools.

Thank You,

Sylvain Cayer
Internet Sales and Marketing Manager

www.JCCayer.com



Doesn't seem rude to me, he put up with some rather inane questions.
 

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Thanks for posting the correspondence. It makes more sense seeing it. After the last reply I would move on and look for the item through a different distributor.

That being said, I'm sure they field hundreds of time-wasting emails a day. And, based on their last response, they likely lost a sale or two because of how they handled this one particular set of emails.
 

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At the risk of beating a dead horse, that's irrelevant. If a business feels a customer was rude, the proper response is not to, well, respond rudely.

Furthermore if he can't properly understand "english" English he's in the wrong job - - OR he should know that he may have mis-interpreted a response and err on the safe side by not responding rudely. Just as I get annoyed with customer service in India; if your accent so thick I can't understand you, you are not the proper person for phone support when speaking with Americans.

edit: more succinctly, it's called a BFOQ, at least here in the States. If your company intends to sell to english Canada a BFOQ of the person who is in charge of interfacing with the customer via the website would be the ability to communicate fluently with your customers.

This is not meant as a slam but you clearly know nothing about the interaction between the French and English in Canada. The French are VERY protective and proud of their French language and being that Canada is officially a bilingual country they feel the exact opposite of this point of view. Many think that if you are going to deal with a French company you should speak their language and that you are putting them out by not doing so. Is it a smart business tactic? Probably not and my guess would be that many are more forgiving to people outside Canada that don't speak French than they are to those inside the country that don't.
 
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(Enregistrer Avant D’être Barre) or "recorded before being locked" (IBTL) :bounce:

Bad humor aside, the fun thing about being a consumer is you chose who gets your money. I have purchased from rude people - it demeans the process but in the end if I got a good deal who cares. If I want to ensure my money goes to someone 'nice' then that is my prerogative - I just pay their price.
 

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not saying its right, just that it may explain why he reacted that way
I may have been a bit reactive in how I worded that...
It is funny to me. But don't go thinking I've imagined you in a white hooded robe, now.;)

Even a-holes don't act like d-bags all the time.

Just because Sylvain isn't rude in every email doesn't make the OP a troll.

The OP has been registered for a year and apparently got a rude email from a person who has been documented as rude to another member here. I would be inclined to believe the OP's story.

Although I don't live in America's Hat, the examples posted here on GJ would be enough to prompt me to never order from Jean-Claude Cayer.

In both threads on this seller you claimed the OP could be a troll from another company. I'm starting to suspect you've been planted by JC Cayer to bolster their bad image...:D
Very well put.

My perspective is that by discouraging a-holery and encouraging proper business practices, buyers make it better for everyone. Not just themselves.
If you're getting screwed over by the store down the street, chances are that other people are, or getting bad treatment or whatever. Replace the unknown stranger that is outside of your Dunbar Number with someone closer to you in your mind- such as your dear sweet ol' Gramma.
If, instead of a faceless and nameless stranger, but it is your Granny being abused, will you still be as tolerant?
Living in what we call "Society" or "Civilization"...
heh heh heh...

Sorry. That concept always cracks me up...

Yeah, anyway- Civilized society... we have certain unspoken obligations. No one will put you in jail for not fulfilling them- they just might not like you as much. Maybe to help old ladies cross the street or call the fire department if you see a building on fire or to drive courteously... Whatever. To Vote. Maybe serve your country. Be a productive member of society.
One would also be to encouraged to speak out against abuse, mistreatment, poor business practices, lack of ethics with Insurance Companies and the like. To hold them accountable to make it easier on everyone.
 

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Even a-holes don't act like d-bags all the time.

Just because Sylvain isn't rude in every email doesn't make the OP a troll.

The OP has been registered for a year and apparently got a rude email from a person who has been documented as rude to another member here. I would be inclined to believe the OP's story.

Although I don't live in America's Hat, the examples posted here on GJ would be enough to prompt me to never order from Jean-Claude Cayer.

In both threads on this seller you claimed the OP could be a troll from another company. I'm starting to suspect you've been planted by JC Cayer to bolster their bad image...:D


I never claimed they were trolls, that would make me guilty of what I'm warning against. I just see a big problem today with people getting skewered on the internet and they have no ability to defend themselves. In my opinion the op kind of went over the retailers head and then came back and said "See you can get the tool." None of us know how Cayer purchases, maybe they don't even purchase directly through Milwaukee, they may go through a wholesaler that doesn't have it yet.

The really funny thing is in my business I deal with French-Canadians sometimes and in general they are a pain in my ***, so I really don't want to defend this guy. In general they do seem rude to me and most that I deal with are cheap bastards that want to battle over every penny.

Now if anyone reading this is a French-Canadian that is not rude or cheap I am sorry and no offense was meant towards you.

On the other hand if you are French-Canadian and are rude and cheap, stop. :lol_hitti

My whole point I tried to make on both threads is anytime someone makes threads like these they denigrate into a lynch mob mentality. My polite e-mail should not be reason for a person to do business with this company anymore than another guys rude e-mail should talk you out of it.
 

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Gentlemen/women:
I am not a troll, a wannabe anything or someone who is basically here to trash a business. I rarely do this, only when IMO it is warranted.

I understand the skepticism as this was my first thread, but I was simply surprised by the response. Thought you might find it interesting.

I was debating between the Snap-On CT7850 and the Fuel, after reading a few threads here decided to go with the Fuel and also get a 3/8 drive with the amount saved instead of buying the Snap-On.
I found their that website via google search and the reason I was interested was because they are in Ontario and I would get the shipment the next day or two.

I have sent 2 emails and received 2, which the one copied in OP the last reply.



reply 1





and last reply


So I must ask: was I wrong for wanting to know when exactly I am getting the impact? As mentioned, it has been on pre-order status on their website since past month (and probably before then) and I did not want to place an order and wait 2 months before getting it. He did not bother checking and instead sent me that email.
If somehow/someway I am to be blamed, that is no way to treat a potential customer.
Extract from JCC's Terms & condition:
Special Order/Pre-Order Policy:

-Please note any items/products that are "Special Orders" or "Pre-Orders" are not returnable and not refundable after we have sent the supplier the Purchase Order for your items/products, this is due to the fact that those items are specially ordered for you and we cannot assume stock.

-Any special order items might take longer then the stated time due to unexpected delay from the supplier, if this occurs, we have very virtually no control on the supplier.

My interpretation of pre-order items are catalogue items which will never be stocked in JCC's warehouse.
Customer must place order and pay, then in turn JCC will place a confirmed order with
supplier after which they will be able to confirm a delivery date.
Most suppliers will not confirm availability & delivery if its an enquiry.
Replies I usually receive are "at time of enquiry 18 ex stock but subject to prior sale"
JCC's response is definitely abrupt and lack diplomacy.
 
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Extract from JCC's Terms & condition:
Special Order/Pre-Order Policy:

-Please note any items/products that are "Special Orders" or "Pre-Orders" are not returnable and not refundable after we have sent the supplier the Purchase Order for your items/products, this is due to the fact that those items are specially ordered for you and we cannot assume stock.

-Any special order items might take longer then the stated time due to unexpected delay from the supplier, if this occurs, we have very virtually no control on the supplier.

My interpretation of pre-order items are catalogue items which will never be stocked in JCC's warehouse.
Customer must place order and pay, then in turn JCC will place a confirmed order with
supplier after which they will be able to confirm a delivery date.
Most suppliers will not confirm availability & delivery if its an enquiry.
Replies I usually receive are "at time of enquiry 18 ex stock but subject to prior sale"
JCC's response is definitely abrupt and lack diplomacy.

My idea of "pre-order" is items that are not yet available or soon to be released, you will place an order and they will order it from the manufacturer.
This is the case here, as the 2763-22 M18 Fuel impact has been recently released. If I'm correct, it was released around mid-october or so.

Special orders are the available items which are available and have to be ordered. I can buy a Makita 7227C polisher from home depot. They do not stock it and it has to be special ordered.

See the link below, they are all special order with a timeline: " Special Order, ships within 10 - 15 business days"

http://www.jccayer.com/category.php?page=4&category=4&categoryopened=1

and for the 2763-22 M18 Fuel, its on pre-order with no date of arrival.

Availability: Pre-Order
Date Of Arrival:
http://www.jccayer.com/product.php?productid=7909

The reason I emailed them in first place was to make sure they could order it.
He did not bother to check.
 

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Gentlemen/women:
I am not a troll, a wannabe anything or someone who is basically here to trash a business. I rarely do this, only when IMO it is warranted.

Rest assured, the majority of people here know who the real trolls are, and they already outed themselves in this thread.

There's no defense of the behavior you experienced, and as I said in the other Cayer thread, it's a business' responsibility to keep their website updated and to respond to queries on their website.

I don't blame you for inquiring for more details considering the information you received and the stale information on Cayer's website.

This page:

http://www.jccayer.com/team.php

Contains email addresses for the owners and the management, of which Sylvia is listed simply as a sales rep. Perhaps an email to them is in order?
 

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The reason I emailed them in first place was to make sure they could order it.
He did not bother to check.


Not sure how thou know that he didn’t check but as I explained earlier in this thread, there is a good chance that this company doesn’t buy directly from Milwaukee. They most likely buy through a wholesaler, so what Milwaukee tells you will have no bearing on what they can get. The only thing that matters is if their wholesaler can get it.



Rest assured, the majority of people here know who the real trolls are, and they already outed themselves in this thread.


Because you said something negative about me earlier in this thread I’m going to go ahead and assume that is a shot across my bow.

My rebuttal: How does wanting more evidence and not being willing to throw a whole company under the bus over one e-mail make me a troll? I am a patient man and don’t use the nuclear option as a first response, sorry if you want me to join the lynch mob.

I wondered about this company myself and sent an e-mail, did you?
 

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I didn't say anything negative about you. I mentioned that you defended Cayer in the last thread. If you think my comment regarding trolls outing themselves is directed at you, well, then, perhaps you're feeling a little guilty about trolling?

You defended Cayer in the first thread, claiming that you wanted more evidence. Then, when more evidence, in the form of this thread shows up, you then get all passive-aggressive, claiming "I'm not accusing" the OP of making up the story, then impugning the OP's statements by suggesting that they have ulterior motives, what with this being his first post - suggesting that he joined simply to post an invented exchange with the business.

You then, again, go on to suggest that the OP brought this response on himself by "going over the retailers head" and telling folks here "don't believe everything you read" - the first comment suggesting that the OP is somehow insubordinate for desiring more information than the retailer could provide and the latter suggesting, AGAIN, that the OP is making the story up.

Pointing that out isn't negative, it's fact, on the first page of this thread.

Good day.
 

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I emailed him a few dumb questions and never got a snotty/*** hole type of response.
 

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I wondered about this company myself and sent an e-mail, did you?

And no, I didn't. I'm not Canadian, so I'd not be doing business with him anyways, so there's no point for me to send them an email.

Even if I had, receiving a polite (or, at least, a non-rude) email wouldn't be proof of anything except of that specific email exchange. A rude or polite email isn't indicative of all communications.

I DID suggest that someone email the company this thread, and invite them to come here and set the record straight if they had a different recollection of the exchange. Did you do go ahead and do that?
 

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Hi Guys,

Thank you for letting us know about this thread.

Everyone has the right to believe what they see or read, or be skeptic, in the light of this thread, we will not be posting any emails that were exchanged between us and thread starter.

We answer all emails with what we believe the best and utmost capabilities.

You will need to understand the following:

-When Milwaukee releases a product, they give us dates, rarely are they accurate.
-Most of these dates are always over passed by weeks, even months.

When we have 25 emails a day with the same exact question and our website shows the clear response to that same email, it is frustrating, but understandable.

When a customer decides to contact Milwaukee because they do not believe us, that is showing us, what ever we answer, they do not believe or do not want to read it.

If you feel like emailing me directly to address issues, please do so at [email protected], I will be happy to help you with the best of my capabilities.

Everyone, enjoy your evening and happy holidays in advance.
 

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You will need to understand the following:

-When Milwaukee releases a product, they give us dates, rarely are they accurate.
-Most of these dates are always over passed by weeks, even months.

When we have 25 emails a day with the same exact question and our website shows the clear response to that same email, it is frustrating, but understandable.

When a customer decides to contact Milwaukee because they do not believe us, that is showing us, what ever we answer, they do not believe or do not want to read it.
What you need to understand is that these are excuses.
Claiming that your behavior is understandable isn't your place- it is the customer whom will choose whether your actions are "understandable." If you feel that snapping at people is the 'Utmost of your Abilities'- then more power to you.

If you get frustrated and feel like you're about to take your frustrations out on a customer, you should take a moment to calm down before proceeding to respond- That Is Business.
I don't know how you do business... But if I did a showing as you've done, I'd have a lot fewer customers.
Now, you're within your rights to be angry, rude, frustrated or whatever... and others are within their rights to not buy from you, speak up about their treatment or complain.
But the Money is a choice... You can choose whether you want it, or not.
If you feel like emailing me directly to address issues, please do so at [email protected], I will be happy to help you with the best of my capabilities.

Everyone, enjoy your evening and happy holidays in advance.
Much better type of response and credit due for taking your time to step up and try to make right.
 

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and others are within their rights to not buy from you

Completely agree with you, we offer product for sale with before and after sale services. Everyone as their rights to not buy from us.

Healthy communication between customers and distributor is the best way resolve any issues, and you can believe I would love that. I/we resolve many more cases with healthy, calm and understanding communication. Again, believing me is your choice.

Your opinion that I "snapped" in the my reply to the thread starter is your opinion, you have the right to your opinion, but I didn't snap.
 

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Your opinion that I "snapped" in the my reply to the thread starter is your opinion, you have the right to your opinion, but I didn't snap.
I don't expect a long drawn out argument- In fact, I won't bother.
I'm going to point out to you why my opinion is such.

After that- it again comes down to choices.
You've chosen to take your time to register and post on this forum. So, I imagine that how customers or potential customers perceive you may be of importance to you...
I would suggest... that you choose a businessman's approach... to the following:

It doesn't matter what they say,
So... It doesn't matter what the Manufacturer has to say about product availability?
I find that a bit difficult to accept. Any customer that recieved such a missive would have the same response- "Really? The manufacturer doesn't know when their products are available?"
The manufacturer should know when their products are available more than anyone else should. A better response would simply have been, "I will contact the Manufacturer to verify availability of our stock."
Claiming that what the manufacturer had to say was immaterial is nonsensical. Now, the contact for the manufacturer could have been in error. That is what offering to verify is for.
sadly for you,
Again, this is bad handling.
Telling the customer how unfortunate they are that you disagree with the manufacturers product availability date is a poor move.
the information I give you is the accurate information.
Refer above... If the manufacturer has clarified to the buyer that the product is already available, you could offer to contact them to verify or you could simply state that while it's available to some suppliers, it's not yet available to your distributorship, perhaps due to logistics or other factors. Either way, there clearly was a much more civil and polite way to convey what your position on the matter was.
Please contact Milwaukee for them to ship you one if they are that good.
This comes across a lot as, "I don't want your business. Go buy from someone else. Go screw yourself. It amazes me that the manufacturer of the product could possibly be so good as to know when their product is available."
Yes, You Snapped.
Do not email us further on this concern, if you contact us to later contact them, then it's a waste a time for us to answer you.
Now, unless you're going to claim that the O.P. is a liar... and that he was repeatedly messaging you harassing you about availability of the product, then you had no justifiable reason for this last sentence.
None. What business person tells a stranger such a thing?

You absolutely snapped. And going to the trouble to register and list out excuses for yourself, then go into denial... You are not helping your case at all.

Let's see what a more professional response would have been...

Dear Sir,

Thank you for your interest in (Such and such Product.)
According to our records, this product won't be available until (such and such date.) However, since you've gotten different information from the manufacturer, I can try to verify this information as it benefits my business as well if it's available sooner than I expected. We'll be happy to follow up on this to let you know if we can have your (product) to you sooner.

Thanks for your patience and we appreciate your business

Now, let's say you don't have time to follow up on it.

Maybe you could hire a secretary to do such tasks for you.

And if you can't do that- Your business will suffer profit losses. It really is that simply.

I Make Time for Each And Every one of my customers. I know their names. I know what they do for a living. I make sure I know where they are coming from, what their concerns are and what I can do to satisfy them.

That's Business.
So if you don't have time for it, you may as well not have time to include Packing Slips in orders. Or maybe you don't have time to lick the stupid stamp.
When you take on the job, you take on the full job- not just what you have time for.

You registered. You posted.
But not once did you say, "I'm sorry for how I acted."
Not once did you say, "I handled that poorly. Let me try to make it right."
That's what a businessman would have said.

I wonder if your boss should read this thread, too.
Maybe he takes your job more seriously than you do.
 
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Hi Guys,

Thank you for letting us know about this thread.

Everyone has the right to believe what they see or read, or be skeptic, in the light of this thread, we will not be posting any emails that were exchanged between us and thread starter.

We answer all emails with what we believe the best and utmost capabilities.

You will need to understand the following:

-When Milwaukee releases a product, they give us dates, rarely are they accurate.
-Most of these dates are always over passed by weeks, even months.

When we have 25 emails a day with the same exact question and our website shows the clear response to that same email, it is frustrating, but understandable.

When a customer decides to contact Milwaukee because they do not believe us, that is showing us, what ever we answer, they do not believe or do not want to read it.

If you feel like emailing me directly to address issues, please do so at [email protected], I will be happy to help you with the best of my capabilities.

Everyone, enjoy your evening and happy holidays in advance.

The email to Milwaukee was sent to confirm availability before you were contacted, and I wanted to make sure you could order it.
That was the whole point of contacting you.

When we have 25 emails a day with the same exact question and our website shows the clear response to that same email, it is frustrating, but understandable.

Clear response to the email?
Take a look at the neutral and negative feedbacks on ebay and judging by the number of complaints about the items not being in stock while you had it listed as in stock, I would email to make sure you had an item before any making any purchase.
 
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