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BFHtime

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I have done this exact same thing when ordering high performance parts for a project car. I called the guy I like to buy parts from. He could not get the part or maybe did not know about the part. I would call the company that made it. Figure out the distributor/wholesaler (this is not usually information any parts guy will give you).

I will then go back to my parts guy with answers to questions and with who has it and how he can get it to me to sell the part, even if other places have it. He thanks me for it.

These are relationships seller/customer they can be positive or negative.

Thank you to the OP for taking the time to post his experience. That is what this forum is for.

I will fabricate a tool before I buy something from cayer. I would pay more just to not give him the business. Obviously this is just my opinion.
 
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I do give Mr. Cayer credit for coming into the hail of bullets here and presenting his side. That counts for something.
 

BFHtime

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It does take some balls to come on here at take the heat, it also takes some balls to admit that you made a mistake.

I'll give cayer one ball, but not a pair.

He may think he is right, but forgets that the customer is always right, in business. (really not always true, but does apply in this case, really the customer was helping the process along). He could cancel the order and purchase from elsewhere.

In my previous post I forgot to include, in an authoritative voice, that cayer's email response to his customer was not acceptable there is no excuse or good reason for that response. Only a bad reason for that response. The small amount of competition in your area must be why you are still in business. I believe the previous sentence is a fair assumption.

To make it right apologize for being an *** and give him a good deal, otherwise you are just blowing smoke, when really at this point you should be *** kissing.
 

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The email to Milwaukee was sent to confirm availability before you were contacted, and I wanted to make sure you could order it.
That was the whole point of contacting you.
See...I had this backwards. I thought you contacted Milwaukee afterward to double check.
Interesting...
I will fabricate a tool before I buy something from cayer. I would pay more just to not give him the business. Obviously this is just my opinion.
I share this opinion. Though... If you can fabricate a Milwaukee tool, I think I'd rather talk to you about an entrepreneurship.
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I do give Mr. Cayer credit for coming into the hail of bullets here and presenting his side. That counts for something.
Aye, and I said the same... But credit due - it's still weak credit for a weak effort.
Would have been better to start with, "I'm sorry for that email. Let's try to clarify some things..."
It does take some balls to come on here at take the heat, it also takes some balls to admit that you made a mistake.

I'll give cayer one ball, but not a pair.

To make it right apologize for being an *** and give him a good deal, otherwise you are just blowing smoke, when really at this point you should be *** kissing.
Nailed it.

(I mean the point, not the balls.)
 
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BFHtime

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I share this opinion. Though... If you can fabricate a Milwaukee tool, I think I'd rather talk to you about an entrepreneurship.
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I have lots of ideas. If interested you should PM me, and we can further discuss.
 
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See...I had this backwards. I thought you contacted Milwaukee afterward to double check.
Interesting...

Yes, I mentioned in the original/first email that Milwaukee was contacted.
If I did not have confirmation form Milwaukee, I would not bother emailing JCCAYER in first place.
 

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I deal with disgruntled customers, happy customers, really screwed up drunk customers, disabled customers, and plain stupid customers on a daily basis. The point of getting a reputation for your business is to treat ALL of them the same. Wether they are buying something or not, help the, as much as you can.

Customer A receives great help from me at the store, but does not purchase anything. He goes home and tells customer B about the great service and to go see Kunk at the store. Customer B goes and sees me, purchases an item and then continues to tell customer C about his experience..... So on, so forth.

You win some, you lose some. You make a sale, you lose a sale. It's business. If you cannot deal with all types of customers, you shouldn't be dealing with any.

One happy customer brings you another happy customer. One unhappy customer make you lose a giant chunk of business. Don't doubt that it does not matter, because it adds up. Strive to make every customer happy.

Now that Sylvain appears to be on the forum, my best advice to him (and any business) is what I posted above. I hate to say it, but you don't create a good business by doing what YOU want/think is right, you do it based on what the customer wants/thinks is right.

Why do we all like Harry J Epstein's? Personally, I think some of their prices are a bit high (especially shipping); but why do I/we shop there? Because the guys over there are not afraid to go above and beyond.

What about Westling Machine? They make a great custom product, and took OUR (the customer's) suggestions and made the product better. (they put labels on their trays)!

Do it how you please, but your goal is to make us happy. Period. I don't care how anyone justifies their actions, but in then end if the customer is not happy, your business does not exist.

Oh, and if my customer went 'above my head' to the manufacturer, but still wanted to purchase the item from me; I would be estatic. That customer just saved me sme time. Instead of having to call around and figure out when/how long it would take to get the item, I now know the manufacturer has the item ready to ship...... So I would tell the customer;

"Thank you for confirming that [manufacturer] has [item] in stock. Normally it takes us 5-7 days to receive our order from [manufacturer], so assuming they have the [item] ready to ship, we can have it by the end of next week. I have sent an email out to [manufacturer] already, and am expecting a reply soon. If you would like me to order [item] please let me know, and of course feel free to contact me about any other matters."

That message shows some key points;
-by saying that you already sent an email, yo are showing that your customer's interest is also YOUR interest
-when you thank the customer, you are affirming him/her
-to give the customer a time frame, you are reassuring the customer of the service he/she will recieve
-to invite the customer to contact you again is basically "asking" for a reply (confirming more communication=making a sale)

It's a process. But everyone can learn it
 
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Like i posted above, he has a USA company as well.

Rather...he did.:lol::evil:

I agree, if a company doesn't want your money then find another one. But yeah, you should totally shame them on the internet and in the real world if possible because other people need to know before dealing with them (to save themselves the headache).

Being a d-bag even I tend not to want to deal with other d-bags. Because most of them don't know when to turn it off and push their luck with stuff and try to rip people off. Actually, a rather bad thing to do with me and I'm sure there are a lot of people like me.:lol: If you don't like dealing with people, don't deal with people; hire someone else to do it.
 
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I have to stand up for the distributor on this question. I have been in distribution in other fields.

It sounds like Milwaukee was shipping ONLY ads, datasheets and BS for a long time. There is I am sure a long backlog on the product. I have gone out and booked orders for new products and had NOTHING BUT TROUBLE when the product does not show as planned.

The second thing is that when product ships it stays for a while only in 'murica' because all the important retailers are there. It is a statement of fact that this guy is not getting his fair share of 'new' product based on his sales performance.

The other thing is that English is his second language. He is not slinging slippery BS that you would get from other distributors. From what I read he knows the business and is giving you the right answers.
 

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Thank you to the OP for taking the time to post his experience. That is what this forum is for.
+1. I was about to place an order with Cayer, but am always a bit leery about online distributors so decided to first do some research and came across this thread.

P.S. Lest anyone thing that the op's experience was an isolated example, I should add that my research also disclosed consistently adverse customer reviews on Yelp.
 
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+1. I was about to place an order with Cayer, but am always a bit leery about online distributors so decided to first do some research and came across this thread.

P.S. Lest anyone thing that the op's experience was an isolated example, I should add that my research also disclosed consistently adverse customer reviews on Yelp.

wow! Thanks for posting the link. there's some classic comments in there for sure. My thread on this subject got closed, but I wish I could put the link in it. I'm glad you found this thread and saved yourself some trouble.
 

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What surprises me, is that this guy is still in business. He must have corporate accounts that he favors over individual sales.
 

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I was just relaxing after a somewhat exhaustive day at work, scanning some good GJ threads and came across this one. Read the entire thing. If you want some entertainment go to the link Lorddiesel posted for the adverse customer reviews on Yelp in post 94.
Oh my goodness...
 

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Wow. Serious **** on that YELP link.

Yeah, it's worse than I thought. I never considered ordering from JCCayer, I've read the threads here. But that's on a whole new level. I do check prices on his site though. I tried buying my recent purchases from a couple of local places. Places I've listed on "where to buy tools in Canada" type threads. One local place treats me like I'm a teanager with no money. Another told me they didn't have the stuff in stock, but were putting an order together, would be placing it in the next week or two, and might have the stuff in a month or so...

Then there was one place that had the stuff in stock, on their website, and with free shipping all I had to do is forgo that instant gratification of taking the stuff home immediately. And they all have the same price, I'm sure they spend lots of time on each other's websites.
 

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Oh man I just found this thread by accident.... Looks like my current situation is gonna ****.
Oddly I have ordered from JCCayer in the past and got the product as expected. But now it looks like I am going to lose out on the Lincoln welder rebate..... There goes $575.....
 
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