Steve in Mi
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Charles, I think I see a little washing machine there also (on lower self to the right of the sink).
Running water in the Garage?
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Charles,
What brand is the water heater, where did you get it and how much did it cost?
Thanks.
The problem here is not the water supply-- a 1/2 inch copper line is already run underground from the house to the garage, but how to get rid of the gray water from a sink. An ejector pump to with enough head pressure to lift it 100-feet back to the street sewer line is cost prohibitive. The sink would be used only for washing hands. Any ideas?
RbrtAWhyt
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When I build my shop I plan on putting water in it. I plan on installing a dishwasher as well as an old washer and dryer for washing shop rags. Right now I take them to the laundromat to wash them. At times I use the wife's dishwasher to clean various parts. The dishwasher in the shop is to cut down on hearing her ***** about it...
Steve in Mi
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Ken, I was looking at the Lowes flyer only minutes ago and the 2.5 gal electric water heater is on sale for $179.00.
nissan_crawler
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Thanks Steve. I'll stop at Lowes today and see if they have it here.
Thanks Crawler. I see I'm not alone and misery loves company. While I'm at Lowe's checking on the water heater, I'll take a look at the infiltrators. (Wish I would have put them in while the backhoe was still here! Time to get out the shovels, boys.)
How as the infiltrator system worked out?
Charles (in GA)
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Yes, you do. It dates to the late 1940's. Stainless tub and agitator in the cover. That is all my folks had when they were living in apartments in the '40's. Sometime around 1950, after they had bought a house, they finally got a Bendix automatic washer.
I use it for washing shop rags. Soak them in detergent for a week or so in a bucket, rinse, agitate in detergent, rinse, and re agitate rinse. I use a mop/bucket wringer to squeeze them out and have a clothesline I string up across the shop with a large turnbuckle to tension it. Works great.
Don't remember the brand right off hand, will have to look. It is Italian made, and I think both Lowes and Home Depot carry them. I wished I had the four gallon model, it is slightly fatter but would have fit, Home Depot started carrying the 4 gal model about a year after I got this 2.5 gal one. Yhey are expensive, in the $125 range if not more.
My only concern was having anything that generates sparks (thermostat) that close to the floor in a shop where you could have a fuel spill and fumes get to it. Eventually I would like to have a 20 gal heater mounted up on the wall. It would be nice to fill a bucket with warm/hot water in the winter for car washing, etc.
Charles
nissan_crawler
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I havent' finished yet. Everybody I've talked to loves it. It's actually an alternative to a septic leech field, and I think it woudl be better. Lowes and Home Depot carry something like it, but it's more rectangular, holds less, and doesn't hold much weight. Half of the sections were broken in the store. I got the true infiltrator stuff from a local plumbing place. $110 for 3 sections and two end caps, each section is a hair of 60 gallon, which would be more than plenty for just a sink. I'm putting 3 in due to the washer, but that's still good for 4 loads, and assuming nothing soaks in between them. This stuff withstands 15,000 pounds per section, it's freaking sturdy.
Charles (in GA)
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Here is the 4 gal model from Home Depot. Not sure if it is the same brand or not, still haven't looked at mine. They are pricey, but cheaper than the 2.5 gal one at Lowes mentioned by someone else. $169 +free shipping from HD. I installed fittings and used steel braid flex hose connected directly to the heater. Used a couple of pieces of CPVC and a couple of fittings to vent the TPR valve right on the floor. Used a short window AC extension cord of appropriate gauge to connect to an outlet. Element is 1500 watt, so its not too bad to operate, they are well insulated.
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs...3&productId=100011293&N=10000003+90001+502972
Charles
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Togorashi
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I agree. They're also called Watson Wicks. A friend of mine has one for his entire house that's installed under his greenhouse. All of the gray and black water feeds into his greenhouse. The nutrients and moisture help all of his citrus trees to grow. Pretty cool and it's been working perfectly for 10 years now. A lot of studies so that they work BETTER than a traditional septic field. The only thing you have to be sure of is to not put harsh chemicals down the drain. An infiltrator relies on bacteria to do all the work much more than a septic field. Bleach, cleansers, stuff like that are big no-nos.
So, if they can handle all of the waste water from an entire home, they can sure take care of a garage.
Keep us updated Nissan Crawler. I'm really curious how it works out for you.
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Steve in Mi
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I have a 5 or 6 gallon 120V water heater for my shop but it's not working. I haven't determined if it is the heating element or the control that is not working. I started to trouble shoot it (it was getting power) when I noticed the very skimpy fibre glass insulation around the tank and have it out and completely apart at this time. If I repair it I will reinsulate with spray foam between the tank and metal jacket. I was considering a new heater as this one is more than 15 years old - no leaks but it is only a 5 year tank, so who knows when it will need to be replaced. I think the tankless units are nice but I only have 240V at 30 amps available in the bath and this one wants 50 amps.
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs...3&productId=100011293&N=10000003+90001+502972
I want to check out the small on-demand natural gas units too as I plumbed gas to the bath originally planning on a 20 or 30 gallon gas water heater. I mentioned the other 2.5 gal electric at Lowes for $179. as a data point. The thrifty shopper will request a 10% off card from Lowes on line to reduce the price ~18$. I have a Lowes and Home Depot within 1.5 miles and prefer Lowes for bargins. I know the manager at Home Depot but have yet to get any special price at HD so I pretty much avoid the place. Any good advertised sales they have seem to run out only minutes before I get there and no rainchecks - I'm tired of chasing ghost sales.
The stainless tank would be very nice. I have had a couple of similar washers both with aluminum tanks and soak times are not good on the tank and tends to peel the paint on the underside of the agitator lid. I wash the very greasy rags in gasoline first, hang on the line (outside) to dry out, then give them a 15 minute wash in the little machine. I toss a bunch of soiled rags (mostly discarded hand and bath towels) but there are those rags that I just must recycle - some weird attachment I guess.
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs...3&productId=100011293&N=10000003+90001+502972
I want to check out the small on-demand natural gas units too as I plumbed gas to the bath originally planning on a 20 or 30 gallon gas water heater. I mentioned the other 2.5 gal electric at Lowes for $179. as a data point. The thrifty shopper will request a 10% off card from Lowes on line to reduce the price ~18$. I have a Lowes and Home Depot within 1.5 miles and prefer Lowes for bargins. I know the manager at Home Depot but have yet to get any special price at HD so I pretty much avoid the place. Any good advertised sales they have seem to run out only minutes before I get there and no rainchecks - I'm tired of chasing ghost sales.
The stainless tank would be very nice. I have had a couple of similar washers both with aluminum tanks and soak times are not good on the tank and tends to peel the paint on the underside of the agitator lid. I wash the very greasy rags in gasoline first, hang on the line (outside) to dry out, then give them a 15 minute wash in the little machine. I toss a bunch of soiled rags (mostly discarded hand and bath towels) but there are those rags that I just must recycle - some weird attachment I guess.
Steve in Mi
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roofster
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The one you linked to want 12.5 amps not 50.
Steve in Mi
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The only tankless heater on the page I linked does require 50 amps (lower left). Here is a direct link to it (I think).
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs...langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100019685
Charles (in GA)
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I like the "you also may like" items at the bottom of the page, two different Ariston heaters, a 2.5 gal and a 4 gal, and a 12 cup coffee maker (indeed a "water heater" but certainly not in the same category)
Looking at this, I might have to consider this. A wire run for me is no big deal, and I would have all the hot water needed to fill a bucket, wash hands, etc, for a very reasonable price.
Oh, here are the specs, didn't see the tabs
* ADA Compliant : No
* Amperage : 50 Amps
* Assembled Depth (In Inches) : 3 In.
* Assembled Height (In Inches) : 6.5 In.
* Assembled Weight (In LBS) : 6
* Assembled Width (In Inches) : 12.25 In.
* Commercial/Residential : Residential
* Draft Hood Size : 0 In.
* Energy Star Compliant : No
* EnergyPlus : False
* Flow Rate @ 45°F Rise : 2GPM
* Fuel Type : Electric
* Height : 12.25 In.
* Tank Capacity : N/AGals.
* Temperature Range : up to 131°F
* Voltage : 240 Volts
* Water Connection Size : 1/2"
* Weight : 6 Lbs.
Charles
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sam 8
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A friend owns some property out in the sticks about 30 minutes from here.
He has a barn, and the septic is installed. The barn is semi-finished, he sometimes stays there to fish and hunt the property. No well yet.
A small orchard is in. He, being a crafty and thrifty guy, built a kitchenette cabinet and installed a small stainless double sink in it out of an RV. He then bought a 25 gallon RV fresh water storage tank, and installed a RV water pump under the counter. There is a deep cycle battery for power, and a solar charging system.
When he goes up, he fills a 25 gallon water barrel and fills his tank, then drains whetever he hasn't used before he leaves. The grey water feeds a leach line that feeds the orchard.
Next year he is going to install a propane 6 gallon RV water heater and a shower.
If a guy didn't have water to his shop, he could rig something like this to to have a sink available.
He has a barn, and the septic is installed. The barn is semi-finished, he sometimes stays there to fish and hunt the property. No well yet.
A small orchard is in. He, being a crafty and thrifty guy, built a kitchenette cabinet and installed a small stainless double sink in it out of an RV. He then bought a 25 gallon RV fresh water storage tank, and installed a RV water pump under the counter. There is a deep cycle battery for power, and a solar charging system.
When he goes up, he fills a 25 gallon water barrel and fills his tank, then drains whetever he hasn't used before he leaves. The grey water feeds a leach line that feeds the orchard.
Next year he is going to install a propane 6 gallon RV water heater and a shower.
If a guy didn't have water to his shop, he could rig something like this to to have a sink available.
Torque1st
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I wished I had running water today to clean off a shovel. Unfortunately it was a walk thru the mud to get to the hose.