Rustics Wood Shop...

[zaphod07]

Hey all I have been reading every ones posts on this page for a long time but never really commented or shared anything.. But my Future project is going to change that. I am a wood worker that has taken over the house garage over the past few years and what was a hobby has grown into a side gig and in the next few months I will be under construction for my own shop at the end of my driveway (the wife gets a garage that is dust free). I am going to end up with a 24x32 with 10ft ceilings that is a dedicated wood shop. I have put a ton of thought and drew and re-drew the plans and layout 100's of times. This is my plan/vision so far. Since the shop will have ac/heat I don't want a huge garage door. In my mind doing a smaller 9x7 will help alleviate some of heat/ac loss and the only time the garage door will be opened is when I am moving wood in and large projects out. Additionally wall space is a premium. My mock up is definitely not to scale but it is closeish and because of "HOA" it will also match the house siding ect.... so stay tuned as it progresses...

 

[Stuart in MN]

Looks pretty complete. Will you be able to use the jointer where it sits, or will you pull it out from the wall when necessary?
Depending on what kind of projects you'll be working on, a separate assembly table may be nice to have so the workbench and outfeed tables don't get cluttered up.

 

[stingry]

Couple of suggestions based on my own woodworking shop, which is 16 by 32 and laid out similar to yours. I would rotate your workbench 90 degrees and make it the same height as your table saw. This will allow you to slide material from the workbench onto the table saw. I would also suggest putting the man door at one end and the overhead door on the other and line them up with the workbench and tablesaw. This makes ripping long stock much easier. You might also consider a panelsaw for breaking down sheet stock, especially if working alone. One more thing, I didn’t provide floor outlets and dust collector connection for machines located in the middle of the floor. Sure wish that I had!!!

cheers
Steve

 

[zaphod07]

Looks pretty complete. Will you be able to use the jointer where it sits, or will you pull it out from the wall when necessary?
Depending on what kind of projects you'll be working on, a separate assembly table may be nice to have so the workbench and outfeed tables don't get cluttered up.

The Jointer is and will be on wheels so i can pull it out for larger items and the work bench will double as a assembly table for awhile

 

[Augus7us]

My suggestions:

I'd ditch the double door and make the oh door wider. Having both seems redundant to me.

I'd put your tools in the center of the shop on casters. I think you will need more workbench space also. Maybe put the lumber storage rack above a second workbench.

If you've been browsing this site for a while, then you already know the last bit... Its not big enough.

Aside from that it looks like you're off to a good start!

 

[zaphod07]

Couple of suggestions based on my own woodworking shop, which is 16 by 32 and laid out similar to yours. I would rotate your workbench 90 degrees and make it the same height as your table saw. This will allow you to slide material from the workbench onto the table saw. I would also suggest putting the man door at one end and the overhead door on the other and line them up with the workbench and tablesaw. This makes ripping long stock much easier. You might also consider a panelsaw for breaking down sheet stock, especially if working alone. One more thing, I didn’t provide floor outlets and dust collector connection for machines located in the middle of the floor. Sure wish that I had!!!

cheers
Steve

Thank Steve for the input, I plan on having the work bench at the same height as the table saw and will probably do locking casters or the type that raise and lower. As far as sheet stock I will most likely do what I have been doing, laying the sheet on a full sheet of foam board and ripping down that way, then final dimension on the table saw. I really want to get a good track saw for that. now outlet in the floor is a good idea not really sure how that would fall into place with pouring the concrete floor. It is definitely some thing to look into. My dust collection is going to run down the center and bridge out left and right but we will see how true i can get to my thought process

 

[zaphod07]

My suggestions:

I'd ditch the double door and make the oh door wider. Having both seems redundant to me.

I'd put your tools in the center of the shop on casters. I think you will need more workbench space also. Maybe put the lumber storage rack above a second workbench.

If you've been browsing this site for a while, then you already know the last bit... Its not big enough.

Aside from that it looks like you're off to a good

I am torn between the double door setup honestly but for a 32' shop it was the only way that i could figure to leave the dust collector up front and I dont plan on using the garage door very much. I had drawn up another scenario with the over head door full size and a man door on the side. But that would leave me making concessions else where to fit the dust collector in.
Believe me I want a bigger shop, I did the permit for a building 36' long but with lumber prices 32' is getting scary.

 

[fourjeepin]

Being more of a car guy than woodworker, my first thought was to frame for a large garage door or two smaller doors. You may not plan to sell anytime soon, but it will happen one day and could help resell.
The rest looks great to me. Maybe share your lighting and electrical plan when you get a chance.

 

[bugnut]

If possible I'd be putting the dust collector and air compressor outside under roof. Also a vote here for a single door. Good luck!

 

[jwasser]

I would put the welder at the other end close to the garage door. The last thing you want be doing is welding at the back of a wood shop. When I set up my shop I had mine in the back too the first time I went to weld something I spent a hour or two worrying about a fire moved it the next day.

 

[CraigStu]

Being more of a car guy than woodworker, my first thought was to frame for a large garage door or two smaller doors. You may not plan to sell anytime soon, but it will happen one day and could help resell.
The rest looks great to me. Maybe share your lighting and electrical plan when you get a chance.

Bingo. I would frame for a standard 16w garage door and then fill in as needed for your smaller door. And I would install all the fill-in framing w/ construction screws instead of nails. It won't really be that much more expensive and would let me buy your house instead of keep looking because I am also a car guy.

 

[jar944]

Can you make it bigger...lol.

I'll go the opposite way and say you don't need an overhead garage good at all in a woodshop. It's just a big hole that ***** heat and allows cold in. Your double door will be plenty (though better without a threshold).

 

[zaphod07]

Being more of a car guy than woodworker, my first thought was to frame for a large garage door or two smaller doors. You may not plan to sell anytime soon, but it will happen one day and could help resell.
The rest looks great to me. Maybe share your lighting and electrical plan when you get a chance.

Funny you mention about framing for a regular door, that was already on my to do list.

 

[zaphod07]

Today My local Power company came out to inspect and get me a quote for running a new 100amp service to the garage spot. cant wait to see the damage that is going to run and for the hell of it here is a few pics of the TV stand and end tables I just finished.

 

[bugnut]

Tv stand and end tables are gorgeous!

 

[hefnerconstructionlc]

As above I would definitely ditch the double door. It's redundant and those things always sag and never close the way they should. Then you just have an air leak which you're trying to avoid. You already have the overhead door anyways. And that frees up more wall space additionally. Otherwise you'll have a very nice functional shop. Should work really well for you.

 

[trainer]

Consider some sort of covered lumber storage outside of the workspace. Maybe access to the attic through a door in the gable to or a lean-to outside. Also a dedicated space for plans, drawing tools or laptop

 

[Jackfre]

Check out the Harvey G-700. I’m hearing good reviews on it and some people put it under a workbench. You can then gang your tools in that area for much reduced footprint. I’d kick out the 24’ side to square up the building. @$ might bee okay, but when I look at what is piled in the garage in your photo I see it sliding into your new shop.

 

[jar944]

As above I would definitely ditch the double door. It's redundant and those things always sag and never close the way they should. Then you just have an air leak which you're trying to avoid. You already have the overhead door anyways. And that frees up more wall space additionally. Otherwise you'll have a very nice functional shop. Should work really well for you.

Then you are stuck opening the overhead door every time you go in and out. Unless you are saying keep the man door, but as a single.

Double entry doors shouldnt sag, that only happens with a garbage install job.

 

[jar944]

OP what is you end goal for the shop?

 

[MerlinsBeard]

Those lumber racks are taking up a ton of wall space. Not sure if you'll really have 10' walls, but you may be able to use vertical space from 7' - 10' for lumber racks all around your shop. I have kastforce 3 rung lumber racks spaced every 2 studs above my garage door in for storing long material out of the way. In theory, you could do that around the perimeter to create more storage space for lumber, but then have more wall space for tools. If you can put your tools on casters, you can store them along the wall and bring them out when needed to work on a project.

Do you have a ladder spot for ladder storage? I place items high enough that I need to use a step ladder on occasion. Only matters if you plan to use the wall space 7'-10' on the walls for lumber storage.

I don't really like where the dust collector is (I just don't like putting stuff between doors that inevitably get hit or knocked over swinging lumber around). I'd swap the trash and scrap wood with the location of the dust collector if it was me.

Have you thought about music while you're working? With a space that big, may want to give some thought to dedicating something to it.

Awesome pieces you've been working on. Look forward to see where you go with the space.

 

[kbs2244]

first change the roof slope to match the house
think about a ridge beam roof for attic space
put in a "hay loft" door with a winch for lumber storage
line the planer up with the overhead door for long stuff
put the welder by the overhead door to keep sparks away from the wood dust and have room to move large projects inside

 

[hefnerconstructionlc]

Yes I am saying he should swap the double door for a single door. And yes double doors do sag. The gasket at the top will leak, I've seen it over and over. Even a single door with long screws and good framing over time can sag. You're relying on two moving units to meet perfectly for their whole life in the center. And it almost never works out that well. Besides double weather seals to deal with. Unless you pay four grand for a custom double pin locking double doors with adjustable hinges, the rest are pretty much junk.

 

[zaphod07]

Consider some sort of covered lumber storage outside of the workspace. Maybe access to the attic through a door in the gable to or a lean-to outside. Also a dedicated space for plans, drawing tools or laptop

I have a shed no far away that I keep green lumber in and I have wall storage in the current garage that is ladder accessible. As far as design tools I will have a ton of drawer space and I have a office in my basement with a laser engraver and computer stuff

 

[zaphod07]

Check out the Harvey G-700. I’m hearing good reviews on it and some people put it under a workbench. You can then gang your tools in that area for much reduced footprint. I’d kick out the 24’ side to square up the building. @$ might bee okay, but when I look at what is piled in the garage in your photo I see it sliding into your new shop.

That Harvey stuff is sweet but my budget does not include another 10k for dust collection. Maybe down the road.... long way down the road. I would love to go out to 26' but i am pushing the limits on the width. I have a Storm Management system "Stupid requirement" that I can not be within a specific distance of and the other side needs to maintain a distance from the property line.

 

[zaphod07]

OP what is you end goal for the shop?

It is going to be a 100% dedicated wood shop with minimal metal work. Occasional booger welding for brackets and table legs ect...

 

[zaphod07]

Those lumber racks are taking up a ton of wall space. Not sure if you'll really have 10' walls, but you may be able to use vertical space from 7' - 10' for lumber racks all around your shop. I have kastforce 3 rung lumber racks spaced every 2 studs above my garage door in for storing long material out of the way. In theory, you could do that around the perimeter to create more storage space for lumber, but then have more wall space for tools. If you can put your tools on casters, you can store them along the wall and bring them out when needed to work on a project.

Do you have a ladder spot for ladder storage? I place items high enough that I need to use a step ladder on occasion. Only matters if you plan to use the wall space 7'-10' on the walls for lumber storage.

I don't really like where the dust collector is (I just don't like putting stuff between doors that inevitably get hit or knocked over swinging lumber around). I'd swap the trash and scrap wood with the location of the dust collector if it was me.

Have you thought about music while you're working? With a space that big, may want to give some thought to dedicating something to it.

Awesome pieces you've been working on. Look forward to see where you go with the space.

I agree they are taking up wall space but I currently have my slabs and stored lumber in the existing garage that starts about 7' up and it is sketchy getting heavy stuff up and down by yourself. I am really trying to eliminate that with this setup. Big heavy stuff down low or standing upright and lighter pieces up higher. I will have a ladder in the existing garage if needed for up high stuff and a step ladder stored somewhere in the new shop. Music yes podcasts yes.. I currently have a Alexa speaker linked with other speakers. very valuable in the shop especially when your lazy and want to know what a conversion measurement is.. hey Alexa what is .xxxxx in a fraction.

 

[zaphod07]

The electric company came back and quoted me 1900.00 to run a new service the 180'. Not as bad as I expected.

 

[jar944]

It is going to be a 100% dedicated wood shop with minimal metal work. Occasional booger welding for brackets and table legs ect...

Ha. Sorry I meant what is the end goal of the woodshop furniture, cabinetry, millwork? Are you done with machine acquisition or are you going to be upgrading/ replacing machines with more capacity / capabilities. In my experience any inclination towards a more capable machine eventually leads to owning said machine eventually and moving everything around again.

The car guys all say 16' overhead door, but for a wood shop everything you build has to fit through the door of a house anyway. That 16' is all wall space you will need for machines. "Car" garages don't need 10-12' or 16' of infeed and outfeed for every machine in the shop.

I have a reasonably equipped woodshop and I'm short on space and power. Lots of equipment out there I "need" but lack floor space or panel space to effectively run it.

 

[givemethewillys]

Something that I don't think was mentioned regarding your layout is to minimize the footsteps between operations. It's fine to have your equipment wherever fits nicely when it's a hobby, but if you're doing it for business then time is money.

Order of operations is important, and adding efficiency to the process should be considered.

Usually, it would go something like: rough cut on miter saw, flatten 2 sides on jointer, make parallel on planer, rip to width on table saw, cut to final length dimension on either table saw (crosscut sled) or miter saw. In your plan, it looks like there would be a LOT of walking back and forth to make that happen.

 

[Jackfre]

I agree that $10 grand is a bit outside most budgets but look at the Harvey Gyro-aire G-700. $2700.

Gyro Air Dust Processors

Harvey is dedicated to high quality machines in not only woodworking but other fields too.

www.harveywoodworking.com

 

[zaphod07]

Ha. Sorry I meant what is the end goal of the woodshop furniture, cabinetry, millwork? Are you done with machine acquisition or are you going to be upgrading/ replacing machines with more capacity / capabilities. In my experience any inclination towards a more capable machine eventually leads to owning said machine eventually and moving everything around again.

The car guys all say 16' overhead door, but for a wood shop everything you build has to fit through the door of a house anyway. That 16' is all wall space you will need for machines. "Car" garages don't need 10-12' or 16' of infeed and outfeed for every machine in the shop.

I have a reasonably equipped woodshop and I'm short on space and power. Lots of equipment out there I "need" but lack floor space or panel space to effectively run it.

I do a wide variety of stuff, some furniture, tables, benches ect... turning, I do a decent amount of carved wood flags. That is probably the most produced item out of my shop. Then pens, then Laser cut signs, and the occasional table, bench, cabinet.

 

[zaphod07]

I agree that $10 grand is a bit outside most budgets but look at the Harvey Gyro-aire G-700. $2700.

Gyro Air Dust Processors

Harvey is dedicated to high quality machines in not only woodworking but other fields too.

www.harveywoodworking.com

That's not too bad really. I was looking at one of the laguna units. https://beavertools.com/mdccf15110-laguna-c-flux-1-1-5hp-110v-cyclone-dust-collector.html

 

[zaphod07]

Something that I don't think was mentioned regarding your layout is to minimize the footsteps between operations. It's fine to have your equipment wherever fits nicely when it's a hobby, but if you're doing it for business then time is money.

Order of operations is important, and adding efficiency to the process should be considered.

Usually, it would go something like: rough cut on miter saw, flatten 2 sides on jointer, make parallel on planer, rip to width on table saw, cut to final length dimension on either table saw (crosscut sled) or miter saw. In your plan, it looks like there would be a LOT of walking back and forth to make that happen.

Yeah I have no doubt that things will get shifted around for flow. Probably do some adjusting to the wall opposite the miter saw. I just do such a wide variety of stuff that it's difficult to set up for each type of work I do.

 

[250]

Some pretty good suggestions up thread. One questions, why is this not in the garage gallery sub section?

 

[Shovelhead]

You do very nice work.
I’ll be paying attention to your new shop build and progress. I’m sure you’ll thoroughly enjoy it.

I have a 16x30 framed room inside a metal building that will house woodworking equipment.
Been trying to figger out how to wire it and where to place machines.
I have run the gas out of ten #2 pencils and half a tablet of graph paper, and still scratching my head, and ***.

Have fun!

 

[zaphod07]

You do very nice work.
I’ll be paying attention to your new shop build and progress. I’m sure you’ll thoroughly enjoy it.

I have a 16x30 framed room inside a metal building that will house woodworking equipment.
Been trying to figger out how to wire it and where to place machines.
I have run the gas out of ten #2 pencils and half a tablet of graph paper, and still scratching my head, and ***.

Have fun!

I feel ya. I wired my existing garage with 2 sets or circuits alternating all the way around the garage "a/b" to alleviate over doing one circuit when I am running say the miter saw and dust collection.

 

[rossddvm]

Floor outlets were mentioned, but i would suggest ceiling outlets that you can do dropped chords from. Dust collection draws lots of amps, be sure it has it's own circuit.

 

[Toolfool]

I'm currently building out my 46x48x12 garage/shop building. Having been a GC/finish carpenter for 35 years and this being my third shop, I have a pretty good idea of the layout and spacing that works for me. I have all my DC, power, and air located under my slab. No pipes or wires overhead. I'm planning to purchase another DC system from clearvuecyclones.com .
I'll be following your thread. Mine is https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/new-home-next-chapter.431876/page-16#post-9442814 .

 

[Black Oak]

I would lose the Roubo bench and go approx. 4ft. x 5ft. general purpose bench w/ dog holes . Maybe a couple service carts or other mobile options for milling stock , getting sheet goods milled , etc.. I'd also make the best possible use of that miter saw wall . It' going to fill up fast . A HOA might forbid water/sink , a Mini Split , even your garage door options . Be flexible and enjoy the process .