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Blacknwhitepit

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MATCO

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CRAFTSMAN

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SK

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They look similar, but not necessarily the same.

Not all Craftsman is made by Danaher.

SK has been making the Craftsman Professional Flare nut wrenches for a while.

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-BWP
 
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It was probaly some sort of trade off between the two companies. Anyway, it's nothing new as that ratchet is listed in SK's 2003 catalog. SK was owned by Facom then and is now self owned. Danaher doesn't make everything yet but, I'd guess about 65-70% of the market. I think that ratchet ***** by the way. It's heavy, has sloppy action, and is missing the quick release so it doesn't look like a Danaher made Kobalt, Allen, etc. clone. I got one off of Ebay for a few bucks, I resold it soon after. I'm disappointed that SK would sell such a ratchet.
 

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They sure look similar but that does not necessarily mean that they source them from Danaher. SK has very little reason to outsource a ratchet like that since they already manufacture their own ratchets. I guess it is possible though as a low volume way to round out their product line with a different style ratchet head. Those ratchets have been available for a few years at least but I have never tried one. Actually it would be great if they were the same as the Craftsman/Matco ratchets since SK is so good about sending rebuild kits out for free.
 

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I have a napa (danaher) pro ratchets that are almost identical to that sk ratchet, i can almost bet the parts are interchangeable....
 
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Blacknwhitepit;159255 Not all Craftsman is made by Danaher. SK has been making the Craftsman Professional Flare nut wrenches for a while. [IMG said:
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-BWP

True, Craftsman is not part of the Danaher tool group. Craftsman does contract with Danaher to provide most of the Craftsman wrenches and sockets.

The Craftsman pro line wrenches that I saw in the store last week were indeed produced by SK. SK used to provide the Craftsman pro combination wrenches as well. You can tell the SK made stuff by the little "K" mark stamped in them.
 
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MATCO

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CRAFTSMAN

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SK

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They are not the same wrench. Look closely

Not all Craftsman is made by Danaher.

SK has been making the Craftsman Professional Flare nut wrenches for a while.

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craftflare.jpg


-BWP

the only difference i see is the shape of the handle......the reverse levers are identical. the craftsman is closer in OUTSIDE apearance than the matco but like most others here i'd bet that the INSIDE will be identical. incidentally i have a set of stanley wrenches that are identical to sk's superchrome wrenches except for the name.......the script even uses the same font!
 

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i have that line wrench set and it is similar with S-K tools... even i found proessional wrench in Sears that are same with S-K tool but logo said Craftsman... i am understand that craftsman had contract with danaher but who will do when contract expired?? re-sign contract again with Danaher?? just curious...
 

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the only difference i see is the shape of the handle......the reverse levers are identical. the craftsman is closer in OUTSIDE apearance than the matco but like most others here i'd bet that the INSIDE will be identical. incidentally i have a set of stanley wrenches that are identical to sk's superchrome wrenches except for the name.......the script even uses the same font!

It's not outside the realm of possibility that these are made from the same manufacturer. It might even be feasible that MATCO and Craftsman get them from SK.

Hmmm.. Let me see if I remember my Major tool company relationships.

Snap on Deals with KD (Danaher Company), but not Stanley or SK

MAC (Stanley) pretty much outsources everything. No relationship with Danaher. Definetly not Snap on.

Craftsman (Danaher product) deals with SK

Who knows, maybe Matco (Danaher) has a relationship with SK.

I think that is correct.

-BWP
 
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Someone should buy one of each and post em up. Until then.... I' thinking that they're all the same thing made at some Armstrong/Allen plant. Same guts, slightly different blanks. Even the MATCO. Yep, that's right, I said MATCO.
 

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In one way or another all tool companies deal back in forth. The gearwrench is the best example.
 

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Hmmm.. Let me see if I remember my Major tool company relationships.

Snap on Deals with KD (Danaher Company), but not Stanley or SK

MAC (Stanley) pretty much outsources everything. No relationship with Danaher. Definetly not Snap on.

Craftsman (Danaher product) deals with SK

Who knows, maybe Matco (Danaher) has a relationship with SK.

I think that is correct.

-BWP
Dang, swap out the product names for those of people and that could be the line up for a Donahue show on bizarre love triangles.


Ask the guy on the Danaher truck next time he stops by. :lol_hitti
 

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OK, now that I am even more confused....GearWrench is a division of Danaher. Since everyone has to have their own brand of (licensed) GearWrenches these days (i.e., Stanley, S•K, PROTO, Blackhawk, Craftsman, Snap-On, MAC...ad infinitum), doesn't that mean they all deal with Danaher at some point?
 

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i just found out that matco used and rebadge the gearwrench longer zero gearwrench double boxes... i thought matco made it in usa.. wrong, i got label of bag said made in taiwan... i was disappoint!! but that tool what i need to get job done as no other tool brands had ... except gearwrenches...
 

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Ok gang, I apologize if this doesn't come out too clear. What we have here are three 60 tooth ratchets. A gearwrench model, Craftsman thin, and Matco. You'll notice (if you can see the picture) that are are basically the same too include the color of o ring used. The Matco one does have additional writing on the pawl. They are all basically machined the same. there may be some strength differences to account for the extra Matco writing, or they just don't want you giving them gearwrench stuff for warranty. They are work about the same with minor balance differences. there are huge differences in price and warranty service though.
By the way, Mac has a new line of 45 tooth ratchets featured in their December flyer that look like the new Proto ratchets above. Left to right: Gearwrench, Craftsman, Matco.
 

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OK, now that I am even more confused....GearWrench is a division of Danaher. Since everyone has to have their own brand of (licensed) GearWrenches these days (i.e., Stanley, S•K, PROTO, Blackhawk, Craftsman, Snap-On, MAC...ad infinitum), doesn't that mean they all deal with Danaher at some point?

Yes:thumbup::thumbup:
 

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Incredible. Its amazing that people pay truck prices for Mac and Matco tools. There is a slim chance that some of the tools are made from better steel, and with a different hardening process than the other danaher made stuff, but for the most part, these tools are craftsman grade, at tool truck prices. I'll stick with Snap On.
 

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I tend to disagree that aren't differences between the different Danaher brands. I feel that there are major differences in the fit, finish, feel, balance, and durability in the different brands. Take sockets for example. The matco chrome ones have engraved marking along with the high visibility stampings. Craftsman only has the high visible makings. The machining is better on the Matco sockets too. I think that it is the same in tools as cars. There are several common platforms within GM. The only differences are the name badging, sheetmetal, interior, engine/transmission combinations, etc.. Do you want to pay more for a pontiac than a chevy even though it's basically the same? It's up to the customer. I know I have broken Craftsman tools and finished the job with Matco stuff. I feel that all truck prices are absurd but, often if you need a certain size or specialty tool, they're the only one that will have it, although that gap in narrowing with online tool sales. Hell, I use all of the truck brands and most domestic automotive tool brands except for a few. I like to have choices and favorites.
 

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It's not outside the realm of possibility that these are made from the same manufacturer. It might even be feasible that MATCO and Craftsman get them from SK.

Hmmm.. Let me see if I remember my Major tool company relationships.

Snap on Deals with KD (Danaher Company), but not Stanley or SK

MAC (Stanley) pretty much outsources everything. No relationship with Danaher. Definetly not Snap on.

Craftsman (Danaher product) deals with SK

Who knows, maybe Matco (Danaher) has a relationship with SK.

I think that is correct.

-BWP

Snap On approved SK spine socket sets and long box spline ratcheting wrenches for sale on the truck...
 

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Facom no longer owns SK since May 2005. SK is independantly owned now. SK no longer distributes Facom stuff in North America. Stanley is the distributor for facom now. Lets see how they screw up French tools.
 
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I thought Stanley was only the distributor for Facom in North America. I was wrong. Stanley tool works bought Facom in January 2006 according to the Facom webite. Sorry, now those quality French tools don't stand a chance.
 

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I can't even remember what game I was playing....YAHTZEE?.....BINGO?....
 

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Lets just hope Stanley doesn't move production of FACOM over to one of their China facilities. :(

Don't worry. Stanley has a factory called 'Chiro' in Taiwan, that is not even half-bad for quality. After the Facom buy, Stanley tried to get this factory to supply wrenches for the Facom brand. After Facom finished all their quality checks, process audits, etc., they told Stanley that they still had a *long* way to go before they could ever produce Facom wrenches.

I'm no huge fan of the French, but Facom tool guys are ******** on quality. Stanley may be king in construction gear, but for mechanics tools they should shut up and start taking notes when the Facom engineers start talking.
 

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Don't worry. Stanley has a factory called 'Chiro' in Taiwan, that is not even half-bad for quality. After the Facom buy, Stanley tried to get this factory to supply wrenches for the Facom brand. After Facom finished all their quality checks, process audits, etc., they told Stanley that they still had a *long* way to go before they could ever produce Facom wrenches.

I'm no huge fan of the French, but Facom tool guys are ******** on quality. Stanley may be king in construction gear, but for mechanics tools they should shut up and start taking notes when the Facom engineers start talking.

Amen Brother!!!!! I have never used a FACOM tool that I did not like. As for the truck brands.... MAC and MATCO are too expensive and too similar to their lower-priced consumer grade counterparts. I cannot distinguish my MATCO wrenches from my Cman Pros by feel or otherwise. So, as far as truck tools go, I am with Chad and am sticking with Snap On.

If I want quality MAC tools, I'll just buy Proto.... :thumbup:
 

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BUMP! Re: s&k buying from danaher?

Bump..!

So can anyone say for certain that SK actually manufactures their own ratchets?

There is a reason I'm asking this, but I'd like to hear some input first...
 

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Incredible. Its amazing that people pay truck prices for Mac and Matco tools. There is a slim chance that some of the tools are made from better steel, and with a different hardening process than the other danaher made stuff, but for the most part, these tools are craftsman grade, at tool truck prices. I'll stick with Snap On.

I prefer to think of it as Sears sells Snap-On grade tools at reasonable prices, but that's just me. :p

I'm going to die from giggle-fits when the inevitable news comes out that Snap-On has Danaher manufacture Super Ultra Sirloin Flank-Steak Quadro-Drive Asstastic Professional Use Only You Aren't Cool Enough For Snap-On Wrenches. :bounce:
 

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I prefer to think of it as Sears sells Snap-On grade tools at reasonable prices, but that's just me. :p

I'm going to die from giggle-fits when the inevitable news comes out that Snap-On has Danaher manufacture Super Ultra Sirloin Flank-Steak Quadro-Drive Asstastic Professional Use Only You Aren't Cool Enough For Snap-On Wrenches. :bounce:

What exactly is your problem with Snap-On anyway? Let's hash this out. :pimpflash
 

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Read his sig and that will explain it.

I prefer to think of it as Sears sells Snap-On grade tools at reasonable prices, but that's just me. :p

I'm going to die from giggle-fits when the inevitable news comes out that Snap-On has Danaher manufacture Super Ultra Sirloin Flank-Steak Quadro-Drive Asstastic Professional Use Only You Aren't Cool Enough For Snap-On Wrenches.
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Snap-On: There is a Difference™ - in the price. AND THE **** WARRANTY! :wtf:

There I fixed that little oversight for you kythri! :beer:
 

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The only truck brand I have never had a issue with is Cornwell!!!!!! But I'm sure I will.
The reason IMO people have more issues with snap on dealers is there are more of them.
 
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