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cretin

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Hey guys,

I'm new here, and also am new to having my own garage. I closed on my own place on Thursday, so now comes the task of making it my own.

First, just a little bit of back story. Up till now, all my active projects have been occupying the garage at my parents house, with the exception of one car having a stint at my work for a while, but it had to come back when we moved shops and there wasn't room for it.

After filling my parents garage to the brim with my automotive obsession, I was presented with the opportunity to purchase a dream car I thought I'd never be able to afford from a friend. Only problem was that I had neither the money or the space for the car at the time. My friend said he would hold the car for me till I had both. Well, how can you turn that down?

I pulled the cash together after a few months. The issue that remained was the amount of available space. Luckily for me, my grandfather who lives just down the street from my parents is just as supportive of my automotive habit as my parents. I was able to store the car there. The deal was struck and another car and more parts were distributed between the two houses.

Time goes by as it tends to do, I hadn't made the process on the active projects I had hoped to. As well as grandpa was doing, it was time that at 95, it was tough for him to be living alone in a large house. The decision was made for grandpa to move to my recently retired uncles retirement home at Possum Kingdom Lake in Texas. A very fitting place for him to spend the remainder of his days on this earth. As much as this was the right decision for my grandfather, it posed an issue for me. But no matter, doing the right thing for my grandfather in his twilight years is a no brainer. A portable garage was purchased, and everything stored at grandpa's was absorbed into the already saturated parents garage and driveway.

This led to the search for a shop space in which to do all my automotive work. I am lucky enough to work at a job that I love every day, but unfortunately that's currently only making me rich in life, and not quite as much in the wallet. On top of that, I'm in Los Angeles, which isn't the most budget friendly area. My plan was to find a shop with ample room for my projects and equipment, with an office I could turn into my living area. As a single guy, I don't require much in living space. After months of fruitless searching, and the expression of my concern of having to move again for any reason to my father, he suggested the option of purchasing a house. I was open to it, but skeptical I could find something that fit my automotive needs. Buying a shop here for personal reasons was out of the question as prices are astronomical. So, buying a home was quickly becoming my only option.

So, that search began. That search was almost equally as difficult as finding an affordable shop to rent. Anything in my budget range that was close to work was a full tear down, but still wasn't cheap. Eventually, I finally found a place that was great, and checked every one of my boxes, except commute time. I was doubling my commute, although half of what I was adding was canyon driving which is infinitely better than southern California freeway traffic. Freeway time is about the same, but then the canyon is added to that, which is extra driving I can deal with.

Anyway, here are the photos of the place finally, I have a few questions already which I'll ask tomorrow as this post took longer to write than expected. But, I look forward to the wisdom here to help me out on this new venture.
 

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Nice place, pretty pictures. Yes, we need more information and pictures to assist you. The guys here live to help others in their design and build. Lots of great ideas and the what not to do’s. Apply what you need but do due the homework. Time spent researching pays well.
Tell us more about the car and pics are required. We are gearheads here and love that stuff.
 

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Awesome story!

Good luck with the new place. Your story struck close to home as I currently have my kid's mustang in my barn. He just got out of school and started a job a few months ago. Likely it will be a few years before he gets a place like you were able to.

My worry is the housing market is going up pretty fast in the area he lives in. A few years from now it may be REALLY hard to afford anything.

Phil
 
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Congrats on the new place. Now show us the garage!!!

Thank you! I know! Make a post on the garage journal and don't even post a photo of the garage, fail! I'm correcting that a little bit right now.

Nice place, pretty pictures. Yes, we need more information and pictures to assist you. The guys here live to help others in their design and build. Lots of great ideas and the what not to do’s. Apply what you need but do due the homework. Time spent researching pays well.
Tell us more about the car and pics are required. We are gearheads here and love that stuff.

Yes, I'll definitely be adding more info and photos when I ask my questions. And I'll definitely ad some info and photos of the cars!

Awesome story!

Good luck with the new place. Your story struck close to home as I currently have my kid's mustang in my barn. He just got out of school and started a job a few months ago. Likely it will be a few years before he gets a place like you were able to.

My worry is the housing market is going up pretty fast in the area he lives in. A few years from now it may be REALLY hard to afford anything.

Phil

Thank you! I hope your son can find a sanctuary for his projects as well!

Awesome to see you here Kyle. Looking forward to seeing more.

Thanks Ian! I bet you're getting tired of seeing these same damn photos of the house, haha! I hope to have some new ones that are worth looking at soon!


So, sorry I made my first post and then left you guys hanging. I meant to post again Friday night, but didn't get the chance. Then I went to the house and worked on it all weekend. No internet there yet.

Anyway, let me post a few photos, and ask my first question. Let me preface this by accentuating the fact that I'm a first time home owner, and a lot of this stuff dealing with construction, etc. are new to me, so I'm sure I'll ask really basic questions.

So, my new garage has a long and narrow storage area to the left of it. It has one man door just outside of the garage door and is completely separate from the garage. What I would like to do is cut a wide door into the wall of the garage to give me access to the storage are from inside the garage, and also be able to put my lathe and mill inside the storage area, freeing up more space in the garage.
One of the reasons I chose this place is that there is room to build a shop later on, but I won't be able to afford that for a while, so I'm trying to set up what I have currently available the best I can. Getting the lathe and mill in the storage area would help that a lot.

The garage wall is a concrete wall approx 4' tall with wood framing above that, and corrugated metal nailed to that framework makes up the rest of the wall between the garage and storage area. My thinking is that I can cut out a section of the concrete, and make a wood door frame around the opening. According to my measurements, there is about a 3/4" difference in floor height with the storage floor being higher, but figured I could make a small concrete ramp between the two.

Take a look at the photos and let me know what you guys think. The first two show the garage and the storage area next to it. The storage area starts just past the car port, and extends all the way back to where the garage stops.

The third photo is from inside the garage showing the wall shared by the garage and storage area. The fourth is a closeup of the concrete wall on that side.
Fifth, is the view from inside the storage area, and sixth a closeup of the other side of the concrete wall there.

Any thoughts on any of this? I've never cut concrete before. Do you guys think there is rebar in there? I know, who knows, but like I said, I'm not a construction guy.

I will have some other questions, but that's my main one right now, that if I do it, I wanna do that before I start bringing things into the garage.

And before I leave you guys hanging again, I'll be away from the computer for a couple weeks, so if I don't answer, it's not that I'm unappreciative, I'm just out of contact. Back on the 22nd! Thanks in advance guys! And if more info/photos are needed, let me know.
 

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Looks great.. coincidently, I live about 20 miles from Possum Kingdom Lake.
Small world.
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There's probably going to be a bit of rebar or mesh in there, but probably not much. You are going to need to deal with some structural issues with the wall at the same time. I'd suggest working out the structure issue first, so that you don't run the risk of creating a big problem first, that would require some major rework.
 
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There's probably going to be a bit of rebar or mesh in there, but probably not much. You are going to need to deal with some structural issues with the wall at the same time. I'd suggest working out the structure issue first, so that you don't run the risk of creating a big problem first, that would require some major rework.

You don't think that since the top half of the wall is just the wood framing, that just putting a wide door frame in there would work?
 
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I guess I'm going to have to have a contractor come look at it since I don't know enough about it. I prefer to do stuff myself, but this is out of my area of expertise. I hope it isn't too expensive, I don't have a lot of money to spare, but want to get this done before moving into the garage.
 

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That "H" section with the two diagonals is a major part of the structure of that wall. You have that also supporting the one end of the decking that is being used for storage. BTW, the two overhead diagonals are not really sized to support loads, they just brace the roof trusses to keep from racking in winds.

Good call on bringing in someone. May cost you some $ now, but should save you from major grief down the road and significant $ down the road..
 

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I guess I'm going to have to have a contractor come look at it since I don't know enough about it. I prefer to do stuff myself, but this is out of my area of expertise. I hope it isn't too expensive, I don't have a lot of money to spare, but want to get this done before moving into the garage.

Congratulations on your new garage and home ******. Based on your budgetary concerns, I'd like to suggest that you try the following first: Seek out and speak to the managers of your local home improvement/contractor supply stores. Ask them if they know any retired, but well-qualified former contractors who'd be willing to advise you on how to go about DIY on that concrete wall work. It might prove to be a good low cost or no cost option for you. Good luck!
 
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Thanks for the help and advice guys.
After some advice from someone experienced, it was decided to cut the wall, so I did it this past weekend. I cut the section out on Saturday, and Sunday, I removed the lower section of the wall to down below the floor, framed the door and put concrete in the transition. The wall must have been old construction, there was no rebar or mesh, just granite rocks and concrete. The only metal I found was an old piece of ornamental iron.

So next week, I get to move my machines in.
 

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I got my mill, lathe, and bandsaw moved up to the garage today and placed where they are going. Also got the 4 post lift up there, so I need to reassemble that.
There is still a lot of work to do before I’m working in there, but I’m excited it’s coming together.
 

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Nice! Congratulations on your progress. Those machines look like they have good capacity for automotive-related work, and their placement gives you respectable elbow room for getting things done.
 
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That's a BIG DoAll saw.

It has a 30" throat, it's bigger than the one I use at work, haha. It's a little ridiculous for a home shop, but I got a good price on it, and it never fails, if you have a 30" throat, you're going to need to cut something 31".
 
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Digging this new house and shop. Looking forward to the vehicles. Cheers.

Thank you, I have a lot more I want to do to the garage, but it's going to have to wait due to budget restraints. I went to Texas this weekend to visit my grandpa because I'm not sure how much time he has left, otherwise I would have been moving the cars. That's whats going tomb going on this weekend, so Ill post an update.
 
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Nice! Congratulations on your progress. Those machines look like they have good capacity for automotive-related work, and their placement gives you respectable elbow room for getting things done.

Thank you! Yea, the machines have been great so far and work for 99% of what I do. I wish the lathe had a removable section of the bed for larger stuff, like trimming flywheels and such, but luckily the lathe at my work has that ability.

Cutting that wall was a bit of work, but I already feel it was worth it to gain that space in the garage, and the machines fit well with some room to work around them. As long as i can not end up crowding them with my parts I am bringing up this weekend.
 
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I haven’t updated, but I’ve been busy. I got all the cars up to the garage, and a ton of parts. And got the parts all organized on their shelves by car.
After that, I started hanging the lights and should get all my electrical done this weekend hopefully.
 

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What do you guys think is the best method to repair this beam? I was thinking of jacking it up a bit and screwing some long 2x4’s to either side. Any opinions?
And the rest of the photos are the cool stuff I found in the rafters of the garage.
 

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Nice looking stable you have there.

I'm may be going out on a limb here, but I think you like the older cars ;)

As for the truss, if it were me, I would jack it up till level, place a 2x4 on both side that extend to the outside wall and then glue it and screw it all together. Your best option would be to completely replace the whole piece, but most people would just sister it up and call it good.
 
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Nice looking stable you have there.

I'm may be going out on a limb here, but I think you like the older cars ;)

As for the truss, if it were me, I would jack it up till level, place a 2x4 on both side that extend to the outside wall and then glue it and screw it all together. Your best option would be to completely replace the whole piece, but most people would just sister it up and call it good.

Haha, that's quite a limb you're out on. :D
I do it for a living and a hobby. My interest in cars and styling starts to drop off rapidly after 1965.

I'll replace the whole piece eventually, but today I repaired it exactly as you described.
 
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Got a lot of wiring done this weekend. Next saturday, I hope to have all the wiring done for lighting, compressor, 220v and 110v. Then I can finally have a functioning garage again.
 
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I got all the lighting done. I was afraid I was overdoing it with the lights, but it turned out perfect. There is no glare, but also no shadows. I’m really happy with it.
Also got all the wiring run for my compressor and my 220 and 110 outlets, and the new breaker panel put in. Didn’t get to hook the outlets to power yet because we discovered there was no ground in the garage, so we are installing a ground rod tomorrow, then should be good to go. Then I can finally start putting everything in its final home, and I can finally take that bench off the furniture Dolly’s and don’t have to look at it sitting crooked all the time!
 

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I've yet to hear of someone thinking they put too much lighting in their shop. If you were up for having more light color/white surfaces, you'd get even more.
 
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