Sasgen Derrick Winch

[ndnchf]

I get on G503 sometimes, but generally hang out on the CJ2A forum and several Willys facebook groups. That fastener kit is awesome - great find! The hand crank siren is fun for the kids at car shows. I let them crank it, they love it.

The square ends of the shafts are 7/8". In the photo I'm using a 1/2" drive 1", 12 point deep socket. It fits perfectly on the 7/8" square. But I realize the 12 point doesn't have much bite on the four corners. I've located online 7/8" square drive sockets with 8 points that have a much better bite. The ratchet is a big Chinese 3/4" drive with an adapter to the 1/2" drive socket. I've been debating weather to use the big 3/4" ratchet or a 1/2" drive. But I think I'll go with the 3/4" for the addition as l leverage. Surprisingly, it will fit in the jeep's toolbox. I need to order a 3/4" drive square drive socket, then I'll be all set.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I kinda sorta consider it a prized possession, but I might could be talked out of this Made in the Good Ol' vintage jobbie for such a worthy cause. It's a massive (20" long, 1 inch thick, 7 lbs) Lowell Wrench Co. No. 3-1/2 ratchet with a sort of blue-gray enamel finish and some exquisite markings on the head. The second patent number on the right there (2,003,348) dates to 1935. It's 3/4-inch drive, reversible (believe it or not, that knurled knob on the end is the switch!), and female. You would need a 3/4-inch male drive plug to drive a 3/4-inch drive socket or a 3/4-to-1/2-inch drive male-to-male adaptor to drive a 1/2-inch drive socket. PM me if it really strikes your fancy.

 

[ndnchf]

That is really sweet Lugz! I wouldn't want to take one of your children. But I appreciate the offer. I have something in the works that I think will look good with it. Give me a few days and I'll post it

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I hope I didn't half-heart my offer too much! Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

 

[Loose Ctrl]

Very nice winch. I see it's a one-way model. It puls and then free spools out. I'll be looking for something similar when I build my boat. I may round up some parts and make one. I'll be using 200 feet of 5/16 SS chain connected to a plow type anchor.

 

[2oolhound]

Nice work!

It's similar to my Beebe Bros winch with the direct drive in the centre of the drum and the 5:1 ? (or there about) drive gear. You have to be careful when it's under load and you want to spool out because all you have to ease the tension out is the brake band on the side of the drum. Under a heavy load it will be all you can do to hold that drum with the brake lever. It's good you have a ratchet to drive it because a crank handle could easily crack your jaw if you found you couldn't hold it with the brake lever. Be very carful specially at first before you get used to it.

Lug, I had a ratchet like yours that was 1" drive but I sold it cheap to a buddy a few years ago. (it was military green too).

 

[ndnchf]

Good point. I relined the brake, but not sure yet how effective it is. One feature I like is that when winding in the cable, the pawl stays engaged. It just rides over each tooth on the bull gear, dropping into each gear tooth root as its wound in. So the load can't slip back out. A simple but effective design.

 

[ndnchf]

Here is what I've done for a ratchet. I stripped, bead blasted and painted the 3/4" drive, 19" long ratchet to match. But I cannot find a 3/4" drive, 7/8" square drive (8 point) deep socket. So I'm using an adapter to a 1/2" drive socket. I'm still not completely satisfied - I don't like using an adapter. I just ordered a 1/2" drive, 24" long ratchet to eliminate use of the adapter.

 

[cvairwerks]

Here you go on the socket... https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/85037976

If I were going to actually use that winch, I would probably step up to a 1" drive ratchet like this one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N8VW97I/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[4xdog]

Your winch project was a fun one to watch, ndnchf. Nice work!

 

[ndnchf]

Here you go on the socket... https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/85037976

If I were going to actually use that winch, I would probably step up to a 1" drive ratchet like this one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N8VW97I/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Thanks. I saw that, but it's not a deep well socket. I want the longer length to get full engagement on the square shaft. That we I'll make it stronger and less likely to slip off.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Ah. I thought you were using a deep well to clear the handle away from the winch for cranking. Looks great, ndnchf! Nobody as obnoxiously picayune as me will even notice that it's a modern Chinese product now that it's painted! (I admire the Civil Defense theme.) If the adaptor is not wobbling and you have a firm connection from the drive stud all the way through to the shaft, it looks great, but I understand your concern.

 

[ndnchf]

I was not satisfied with the 12 point socket for connecting to the square shaft. Not being able to find what I wanted - I made it

I bought an old Snap-On 8 point, 7/8" square drive socket. But it wasn't deep enough. So I cut the square drive end off, then welded it inside a 3/4" drive, 1-1/2" socket. This gave me a square drive for a firm grip, depth enough to go full onto the square shaft and 3/4" drive for my heavy duty rachet.

 

[Loose Ctrl]

If ya can't buy it, build it.

 

[ViceRoy2030]

Picked up a Beebe 2 ton this morning at a garage sale. It operates perfectly, good brake, springs all work but paint is a bit hideous. This will be a resto for sure and I believe it will also be a user, to lift heavy vises in my garage

 

[ndnchf]

Great score!

 

[ndnchf]

Since this thread has been resurrected from two years ago, I thought you might like to see a video of my restored Sasgen winch in action. A buddy made this video last year on a weekend trail ride we did.

 

[ViceRoy2030]

Awesome video, love the old tools of the day. That winch requires ZERO battery/electrical power!!! It's no wonder they were always thin back in the day. Thanks for the video!!!

 

[Farmer J.]

Thanks for posting the video, just the thing to watch with a coffee on an English rainy windy Sunday morning!
It reminded me of something i had forgotten.. I have a PTO gearbox and winch for a Land Rover sitting in storage in my old Nissen Hut all ready for restoration..!

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Thanks for posting the video, just the thing to watch with a coffee on an English rainy windy Sunday morning

from NJ.

Much better watching a gorgeous working jeep in action than the graveyard I tiptoed through the other day.

 

[ndnchf]

Old jeep junkyards are pretty cool too!

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Old jeep junkyards are pretty cool too!

Agreed! I wanted to haul them all home and throw 20 thou at each one to get it back on its feet again.

 

[ashlinero]

I got it broken down as far as possible. Bead blasted the removed parts. The winch is in the electrolysis tank. It will take a couple days to get derusted. I heated up the bent brake lever in the forge and straightened it out. Drilled out the rivets of the brake lining and got the brake band back close to round. Making progress!

My dad may have made that winch. I am almost positive he designed it. He worked at Sasgen for 40 years, and they closed when he retired. The owners are no longer alive.

 

[ndnchf]

Very cool connection, thanks for sharing!