Saylor beall vs quincy

[an Automotive Technician]

Looking at both brands for my home. I would like an 80 gallon I'd like to know if anyone has have used both?

 

[MacMcMacmac]

Both are high-end brands and will serve you well for a long time.

 

[DavesGarage]

I was on the market for a compressor last year and when I went to the Quincy dealer I asked some questions. One thing I found was that the affordable models (QT and QP if I remember right) of Quincy had reed valves as opposed to the QR level having disk valve. Saylor brand also has disk valves. That alone made my decision, although I bought neither of the brands since they were beyond my budget. I found a cheaper brand which has done great for me but if I had the money I definitely would have purchased a Saylor.

 

[Zrexxer]

Saylor Beall's a particular favorite of mine, but not many of them show up in my area of the country. I ended up going with a Champion, which is another good choice to consider as well.

 

[C96]

If you’re looking to purchase from an American company, then Saylor-Beall is the only choice.

 

[Zrexxer]

If you’re looking to purchase from an American company, then Saylor-Beall is the only choice.

Actually, that statement is completely false.

 

[wild cowboy]

If you’re looking to purchase from an American company, then Saylor-Beall is the only choice.

Quincy is an American company, as are about 20 other compressor manufacturers still in business that I can think of, do I need to name them all off, or does your computer have google?

 

[DavesGarage]

American company or American made? Not many that are American made anymore. I think only the QR Quincy, Saylor and Champion are made in the US anymore. Not saying this is a fact but I did ask that question about every compressor I shopped for.

 

[C96]

Ok, let me reiterate since some of you misunderstood the OP’s question.

He asked about Salor-Beall and Quincy, no other brands were mentioned here.

I simply stated:

“If you’re looking to purchase from an American company, then Saylor-Beall is the only choice.”

Yes, out of these 2 compressor manufactures Salor-Beall is the American company; Quincy is not, so Salor-Beall would be his only choice out of the 2 company’s.

Actually, that statement is completely false.

Sorry Zrexxer, but my statement is true and yours is false. Quincy is not an American owned company.

Quincy is an American company, as are about 20 other compressor manufacturers still in business that I can think of, do I need to name them all off, or does your computer have google?

Sorry to you too wild cowboy, you need Google more than I do…

Go ahead, try it out, you may learn something…

Quincy is owned by a corporation over 4,000 miles across the ocean from the USA.

I won’t mention the corporations name, I'll let you “Google” it, that should give you something to do.

 

[MacMcMacmac]

Atlas Copco has been on a buying spree lately. They own ABAC and Quincy, and bought up the Mafi Trench turboexpander business.

 

[redmondjp]

Quincy is an American company, as are about 20 other compressor manufacturers still in business that I can think of, do I need to name them all off, or does your computer have google?

I could ask you the same thing, considering that:

Quincy was purchased by Atlas-Copco, a global conglomerate headquartered in Sweden, in 2009:

http://www.atlascopco.com/us/news/corporatenews/091218_atlas_copco_to_acquire_quincy.aspx

http://blog.al.com/press-register-business/2011/05/quincy_compressor_owner_buys_a.html


And FS-Curtis, another 'American' compressor company, is now owned by a Chinese conglomerate (hence the 'FS-' in their name now, which stands for Fusheng):

http://www.fs-elliott.com/template_cat.aspx?page=aboutus_new&grpid=1&catid=0&subid=0

OK, so how about Champion Compressors, are they a US company? Let's see, they are a brand owned by Gardner Denver, a multinational firm which is headquartered in the US but was just taken private last year "when its outstanding shares are purchased by US multi-national private equity firm Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. L.P."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardner_Denver

http://www.gardnerdenver.com/

So, Gardner Denver has 40 manufacturing facilities in countries worldwide (see a partial list at bottom of wikipedia link above), including many which make compressor pumps and other items. So are you telling me that they aren't going to source some parts from these plants outside of the United States if it makes economic sense to do so?

Campbell Hausfeld is still an American company (owned by Warren Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway) but I am pretty sure that they are now using foreign-made pumps on at least some of their compressors.

I don't like it at all myself, but there are very few truly 'American' companies left, even if they still have some manufacturing facilities stateside. The very first thing that these global corporations do when they buy an American company is to start looking at lower-cost-of-manufacturing sites that they already own or control in other parts of the world.

Which compressor companies are you thinking of that are still American? The only one that I know of which actually makes their own pumps here (and even then I'm not certain about their current offerings) is Saylor-Beall in Michigan. Ingersoll Rand, Eaton/Polar Air, and Rolair all use imported pumps now.

 

[Trey T]

OP:

When you look for a compressor, it's important to understand the two primary demand: intermittent or continuous. For a home compressor an intermittent duty compressor is more than enough. Since you brought up SB and Quincy, I'll talk about two popular 5HP models: Saylor Beall 705 and Quincy QT-5

What makes a compressor intermittent duty is the splash lubrication. However, Saylor Beall is more superior w/ the disc valves. The Quincy is reed valve and the 705 can produce about 6cfm more air @175psi than the quincy.

Many people compare the SB 705 DIRECTLY against the superior quincy QR-25 series 325 model. People do it simply bc of the CFM rating but I believe they're in different league. The QR-25 series should not be compared to the SB 705 bc of its pressured lubrication system. The pressured lubrication of the 325 makes it 100% continuous duty cycle. Meaning that you can run the 325 24/7/365days.

 

[C96]

The only one that I know of which actually makes their own pumps here (and even then I'm not certain about their current offerings) is Saylor-Beall in Michigan.

They are still being advertised as 100% manufactured in the USA.

 

[C96]

OP:

When you look for a compressor, it's important to understand the two primary demand: intermittent or continuous. For a home compressor an intermittent duty compressor is more than enough. Since you brought up SB and Quincy, I'll talk about two popular 5HP models: Saylor Beall 705 and Quincy QT-5

What makes a compressor intermittent duty is the splash lubrication. However, Saylor Beall is more superior w/ the disc valves. The Quincy is reed valve and the 705 can produce about 6cfm more air @175psi than the quincy.

Many people compare the SB 705 DIRECTLY against the superior quincy QR-25 series 325 model. People do it simply bc of the CFM rating but I believe they're in different league. The QR-25 series should not be compared to the SB 705 bc of its pressured lubrication system. The pressured lubrication of the 325 makes it 100% continuous duty cycle. Meaning that you can run the 325 24/7/365days.

FYI, The Salor-Beall 705 comes in both splash and pressure lubricated as do many of their other models.

 

[rodm1]

They are still being advertised as 100% manufactured in the USA.

My SB pump is USA but they use import parts like belts, check valve, pipe fittings, motor pulley is made in china and starter is Mexico. Nothing is 100% USA anymore but I think SB is making a good effort to keep the most important parts USA.

They still make the best reciprocating pumps in the US.

 

[MacMcMacmac]

When we were looking for a "house brand" to sell back in the mid 90's, we ordered some Saylor Beall literature to investigate their design and quality. One thing that impressed me was that, at that time at least, every single pump they made was available with pressure lube if requested, right down to the smallest single cylinder pump. While we were impressed with the quality, they were not cost effective to resell in the local market. That is probably the reason i only ever saw one go through the shop, or saw installed. We decided to go with Champion, as the margins were a lot better and our quotes were competitive with other makes we would be bidding against. They also ran amazingly cool with the aluminum blocks, and were available with pressure lube and insert bearings if we were quoting for a heavy duty industrial application. Champions are really a sweet spot in terms of cost and quality. At least they were then, things may be different now, price-wise.

For screws, we went with Grimmer Schmidt. That was not such a good idea.

 

[C96]

My SB pump is USA but they use import parts like belts, check valve, pipe fittings, motor pulley is made in china and starter is Mexico. Nothing is 100% USA anymore but I think SB is making a good effort to keep the most important parts USA.

They still make the best reciprocating pumps in the US.

Hi rodm1,

Just a little curious, did you purchase your compressor new?

 

[Tarnished]

OP, Just did the same comparison when I found out that my old Quincy was to $$ to repair and I had to replace it. Picked up this Saylor Beall 735 with 80gal tank and 5hp Baldor. Couldn't be happier.
I think that both the manufactures your looking at are the top of the line. Quincy may have a few more models, and seems to be bigger in the industrial end. Both make excellent pumps for the home user and you really can't go wrong with either one. In my case the S-B show up first. Do your homework and you'll do all right. Let us know what you get!

 

[bsaint]

So people here think no other country but the USA can make an air compressor worth a damn?

 

[Trey T]

^There aren't a lot of option for disc valve air compressor that comes from China, besides knock-off kellog 335 and SB 705. All other pumps from other countries are reed valve, typically has much lower CFM rating.

Chinook (Italian) makes quality reed valve pump, carried by Rol-Air.

 

[rodm1]

Hi rodm1,

Just a little curious, did you purchase your compressor new?

Yes.

 

[bsaint]

I guess that the USA imports. I've seen nice German and Italian piston machines in Europe.

 

[scw1991]

Is Saylor Beall purchasing their raw pump castings offshore or are they poured at a domestic foundry? Ask them if they can provide CMTRs. Same goes with rods, pistons, crankshaft, etc. this is the only way to tell if all the raw materials are actually of domestic content.

 

[wild cowboy]

Just because a foreign firm has an equity stake in a traditional American company, doesn't make the American company not American, if that was the standard, then you had better quit drinking your Budweiser, Miller, Coors, etc. - because even though their breweries are the same ones operated by the same people in the same American towns as they have been since the 1950's or earlier, according to you guy's definition, it's no longer American beer!

And who says American made is better anyways? - it sure as hell isn't with cars! - or mechanical cameras or mechanical wristwatches or most anything involving real precision!

I love how we have all these "buy American" types on here as they type their replies on a Chinese computer or Chinese or Korean phone.

 

[bsaint]

Just because a foreign firm has an equity stake in a traditional American company, doesn't make the American company not American, if that was the standard, then you had better quit drinking your Budweiser, Miller, Coors, etc. - because even though their breweries are the same ones operated by the same people in the same American towns as they have been since the 1950's or earlier, according to you guy's definition, it's no longer American beer!

And who says American made is better anyways? - it sure as hell isn't with cars! - or mechanical cameras or mechanical wristwatches or most anything involving real precision!

I love how we have all these "buy American" types on here as they type their replies on a Chinese computer or Chinese or Korean phone.

Can I get a "Like" button for this guy?

 

[u118224]

Just because a foreign firm has an equity stake in a traditional American company, doesn't make the American company not American, if that was the standard, then you had better quit drinking your Budweiser, Miller, Coors, etc. - because even though their breweries are the same ones operated by the same people in the same American towns as they have been since the 1950's or earlier, according to you guy's definition, it's no longer American beer!

And who says American made is better anyways? - it sure as hell isn't with cars! - or mechanical cameras or mechanical wristwatches or most anything involving real precision!

I love how we have all these "buy American" types on here as they type their replies on a Chinese computer or Chinese or Korean phone.

Where do the profits go? Can you buy stock in these companies? Where is the engineering done?

 

[redmondjp]

Is Saylor Beall purchasing their raw pump castings offshore or are they poured at a domestic foundry? Ask them if they can provide CMTRs. Same goes with rods, pistons, crankshaft, etc. this is the only way to tell if all the raw materials are actually of domestic content.

Good point. One of the biggest challenges with offshore manufacturing is quality control (or the lack thereof). If there is good QC throughout the process, you'll get a fine product. But in so many cases, the QC is lacking.

Take imported rubber, for example. I've bought Dorman-brand PCV grommets that were not made out of oil-resistant rubber and they turned to gooey, sticky mush in 6 months. Pretty sad, considering that the old grommets they replaced lasted 10-20 years.

Steel is no different. When you pour whatever scrap pieces you have on hand into the furnace, your end result is not going to be the same as virgin steel (made directly from ore) made under strict QC. This is fine for non-critical parts such as barbell weights, but for other items, it can make a huge difference.

Unfortunately, us consumers really have no way to tell what the material makeup is of the items that we purchase, so we resort to internet forums to see what others have experienced.

American-made or not, quality matters!

 

[zyx5432]

Where does one buy a Saylor Beall these days? They seem much less available from a quick Google search.

 

[Tarnished]

zyx5432: Don't know where your located, but I bought mine from the fine folks at "Mats Equipment Co." in West Carrollton, Ohio. They sell/repair compressors and hydraulic equipment. (Great place to get a Blackhawk jack repaired!) Bunch of good guys there! Give them a try if your in the area. Other than there, check compressors in you phone book??

 

[Miss_Sissy]

Where do the profits go? Can you buy stock in these companies? Where is the engineering done?

The important issue is how many Americans they employ. Because the income of American workers is what supports our economy. Americans taking home paychecks are buying food at our grocery stores and restaurants. They are purchasing cars, homes, condos, boats, braces for their kids, RVs, furniture, motorcycles, movie tickets, clothes, appliances, home theater systems, etc.

Worry about American workers, not American boards of directors, CEO, and stock traders. The latter groups aren't suffering or in need of our protection.

 

[wild cowboy]

I looked at a Quincy at Northern tool, and an Ingersoll Rand - the Quincy had USA pump, motor and tank, some of which are manufactured in Mobile, Alabama, the IR had a Mexican motor and pump from India........ugh!

 

[Murphy4570]

I was about to remark about the lack of talk in regards to Curtis brand compressors, but I saw back on page one how they were bought out by some chinese company. Sad.

I have an ancient Curtis 120 gallon compressor from 1972, all USA made.

 

[scw1991]

Most corporations now are multinational. Corporations use the term Manufactured in USA and/or Made in the USA loosely. However the fine print reveals "of foreign content and components.

That's why I said above, that if you can get the manufacturer to provide CMTRs on the pump castings for example, you'll know for a fact where it originated.

I've been in the pump industry for 20 years and I can tell you sourcing the pump hydraulic ends (castings) in China or India vs. the USA yield a substantial difference in quality.

You can have the overseas castings machined and assembled here in the USA by an American workforce but the end result is you'll have a substandard product.

And as others have stated, a product produced in the USA cannot necessarily be labeled as superior to all else. Where do you think all those multitude of robotic welding and other various pieces of machinery and CNC machining centers are manufactured?

 

[wild cowboy]

I was about to remark about the lack of talk in regards to Curtis brand compressors, but I saw back on page one how they were bought out by some chinese company. Sad.

I have an ancient Curtis 120 gallon compressor from 1972, all USA made.

an older Curtis is about as fine of a compressor as there ever was.

 

[rodm1]

Where does one buy a Saylor Beall these days? They seem much less available from a quick Google search.

They are mostly sold buy local compresser shops and garage equipment sales. This is the only online place I'm aware off they are down the street from the factory.
http://www.888saybecks.com/parts/cart.php?target=category&category_id=68

 

[threepiece]

I run both the Saylor Beall 705 and the Quincy pressure lube QR25. The Saylor Beall is quieter. I can actually carry on a conversation without raising my voice while standing next to the running machine.

I bought the SB used and went through the pump before I put it in service. It was fairly easy to work on.

They are both great pumps but the Saylor Beall has my vote because it is quieter, seems less complicated/easier to work on and made in my home state.

 

[TonyJ]

I run both the Saylor Beall 705 and the Quincy pressure lube QR25. The Saylor Beall is quieter. I can actually carry on a conversation without raising my voice while standing next to the running machine.



I bought the SB used and went through the pump before I put it in service. It was fairly easy to work on.



They are both great pumps but the Saylor Beall has my vote because it is quieter, seems less complicated/easier to work on and made in my home state.

I too have SB. Actually two lol. 10hp 707 and 5hp 705 and even a 705 clone. 707 is just a little louder than the 705 but also puts out 45cfm so a little louder is worth it in my opinion. 705 clone is the quietest of the 3 and is pretty much on par with the original 705 performance wise.

 

[vanapplebomb]

Saylor Beall all the way.

My experiance with newer Quincy models has been far less than excellent. Poor quality control. Air leaks at fittings from pump to tank, motor wired wrong, etc. While most come just fine, there is clearly a slipping quality issue in the prosumer lines, like the QT 5 or QT 54. Sure, their commercial pressure lubricated pumps and screw compressors are great, but I would pass on those generic stuff. Mostly, you pay for the name. Same with the IR prosumer grade stuff, just different problems, mainly the cheap pumps. Overpriced pay for the name stuff. You can get similar quality at a lot less money from other companies like Sanborn MFG (MAT Industries).

The Saylor Beall compressors are built like tanks, even their less expensive stuff. Good old fashion American Iron right there. All the machining is done in house at their small plant in St Johns, MI.

Another one to check out would be Kellogg, which is back from the dead and using their original pump design. I think they are based out of Texas now, but don’t quote me on that. I personally feel that Saylor Beall and Kellogg have some of the best pumps on the market today, but you pay for them, and rightfully so. If you are into value, the Sanborn HB55 pump is probably the best bang for your buck out there at the moment.

 

[MacMcMacmac]

Kellogg is an interesting case. I believe they were produced by LaPlante compressors when they were still based in Hong Kong. LaPlante's website years ago even stated they actually made them for Kellogg, so they were perhaps not as American as everyone thought.

This seems plausible to me, since the quality of the cast iron in later models resembled pressed together floor sweepings. It was a given you would be stripping threads with a Kellogg rebuild. This was especially problematic with the small bolt holes at the top of the crankcase split where the assembled rods and crank passed through the back of the block. The upper corners of the crankcase castings would sometimes crack right off, ruining the entire compressor.

They also had those wonky flat plate head covers with the thin sealing line gaskets that need to be completely removed to service any one faulty valve. I don't know why they revived some of their models with this design, but the r&d was already done, so it was probably quick and cheap.

After Kellogg was folded by CompAir back in the early 2000s, LaPlante knock-off Kellogg 335s appeared almost instantly at Princess Auto.

I see that LaPlante compressors in Hong Kong was liquidated some years ago, probably due to the prevailing political winds. It would be an interesting twist if a Chinese company had built products for a company with "American" in its name in Hong Kong, then decided to resurrect the brand back in America. Hopefully the parts are made in America, but I wouldn't put money on it.

They did give good service, they just weren't my favorite machines to work on.

 

[driftpin]

O.P., it's always good to have your location under your screen name. That way, someone near you may be able to provide you with information of interest. So, where are you, and consider adding that to your info.

My friend here in so. Florida sells Saylor-Beall and also other compressors. He services a region of ~7 million residents. He often has refurbished used machines for sale, which is how I bought my S-B 705, w/a brand-new 5 HP single phase 240 V Baldor motor and magnetic switch. It cost me about half of new, delivered. It works like a dream.

He services a lot of industrial accounts. When they need a machine, (or several machines) they want it now, and delivered and installed, to get-back to work. They don't want the old junk laying around, he removes them, and if it's worth it, he will repair it and sell it. Or, if it's a good parts candidate, go that-way.

If you got a Saylor-Beall, I think you would be very-pleased with its durability and abilities.