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RonRock

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Sometime in the past couple weeks was a thread asking about a scan tool. I wish now that I would have subscribed. Anybody have a link to that thread?

In that thread one of the suggested scan tools was the Autel AULMD802. This looks like a very good scanner, but pricy. At 350.00 it would be a bit more than I would want to spend, but if it is really that good, I could bite the bullet.

Any more input on this unit? Or one comparable? Will it do all of the functions that a Tech 2 will do? It is supposed to read all of the systems, so is that true? I will be using this for my own vehicles and family, but that is a wide range of types. I drive a Durango, GMC pickup, my wife a BMW Z4, kids Nissan, Mitsubishi, Jeep. So a wide range of vehicles.

I know these scan tool threads get old, so if I was pointed in the right direction I would add to that thread. But these are my basic questions.
 
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I bought a software version for my laptop that came with a USB interface for the OBD port. It's worked fine in my wife's Jetta, My silverado, Audi TT, and a buddy's Mazda 3. You can also data log any of the available sensors/speed/rpm, etc....It was a little tricky to get the COM ports set properly - but once through that, it's performed like a champ.

http://www.obdcom.com/

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For your Z4, you're hard-pressed to do better for the money than a Peake Research scanner. It's BMW-specific, but it's much more specific as a result.
 

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I would recommend the Auto Enginuity software. It gives you simple obdII code reading ability and if you find that a vehicle has a problem that requires digging a little deeper, you can buy the brand specific expansions. I have the BMW add-on and use it a lot on our 2 BMWs. It allows you to activate specific systems and graph sensors in real time from the laptop which saves huge amounts of time in diagnosing the problem. (Throwing an O2 sensor code? It could be just a sensor. It could be a vacuum leak. Without seeing the sensor graph your missing vital info to find the problem.) Plus, the codes are specific to BMW in that plug-in and I believe the same support is extended to the other brands as well. The obdII codes are very generic and, at least in the BMW realm, don't give you much info. As the cars get more advanced being able to plug in and read the live data becomes more important. I'm not sure about the Z4, but you can't even change the battery in my wife's 328 without coding it to the car.

Simple generic code readers have their place but if you really want a fighting chance at fixing the fleet, diagnostic software and an old Thinkpad are as important as a socket set, jack or wrench.

http://www.autoenginuity.com/

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+1 on Ned's recommendation. I had a Check Engine on my '99 Powerstroke. The truck forums reported virtually none of the generic scanners would be much help. The AE tool (with the Ford Enhancment pak) pointed to the #4 injector. I found the problem to be a loose connection under the valve cover. The cost of the AE tool was less that the cost of one injector which I didn't even have to buy. I called and got the activation code for BMW today to help my brother-in-law reset the Battery on his 2005 X3. I have two of my own.

The AE tool has a lot of capability and if you're handy, (you're on GJ right?!?!) you can avoid trips to the dealer. A couple "just scan it and tell me what is wrong" will pay for the tool.
 

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Autoenginuity is a great tool... So another +1. I also use Auto X-ray and have found it to be a good tool as well. I tend to pack the Auto X-ray to use when going to help someone out (nicely portable), or to occasionally lend it to trusted folks.
 

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I have the MT 2500 "red brick" that i bought new in 2003. I had another one and for some reason decided to trade it in on the new one... My old one wasnt current and as I remember itw as gonna be stupid expensive to get it there... back then "current" meant 2 model years older than what's currently out. In 03 I was good to 2001.. I am still good to '01 (havent updated since) As I remember I paid like $3300 for it then now I see em all day long for $500 or less.... I would like to get the programmable cartridge for it and the personality keys I lack
the Modis was just coming out them and I was promised that everything that would fit a 2500 would also fit the modis in case I was wanting to trade up within a couple years... now the modis is history and they have the Solus I would just like a programmable cartridge for my red Brick that is good (updated) as new as it can possibly be, and run with that for a while. I got away from wrenching 1-1/2 years after buying my red brick and the newest thing I own is a 1997 so its good for everything I have... occasionally on a side job I had to go borrow a cartridge from a buddy but he has now traded his Brick for something else When he gets an older car to work on, guess who's scanner he borrows? He bought my 94 Dakota from me so I am guessing that if anything ever happens to it, i'll be gettin a call for my scanner..... and HE works as a tech at a Dodge dealer go figure
 

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I work with a bunch of VW/Audi stuff so a Vag-Com cable is indispensable. It can log and graph everything the ECU sees and has the ability to change settings

I really don't like the company but the product is very useful.
 

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A SNAP ON SOLUS has the most coverage for most vehicles, and has bi directional controls.

I picked up an extra solus for the shop, $1200 and updated up to '09 which covers 98% of the vehicles we service.

The only catch with the Solus is the expensive updates ($995) and if you want european you have to pay extra ($995 if I recall).

I have AE and I feel it is a toy compared to a true scanner. It is slow, unresponsive at times on certain vehicles, buggy, and doesn't fit my needs (commercial setting).

If you are just tinkering around on the side with cars or your personal vehicles, any hand held scanner that does ABS, Trans, Engine scans, and gives a decent list of live data should work.

Where the Solus really pays off is the Troubleshooter. It gives you tests for particular systems built in, symptom tips, code tips, common problems, normal testing values. The normal testing values sometimes can be a real drag to find. A lot of times Mitchell None and No Data don't even list them.
 

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If you are just tinkering around on the side with cars or your personal vehicles, any hand held scanner that does ABS, Trans, Engine scans, and gives a decent list of live data should work.
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For my usage I bought this for $200 and am quite happy so far.
if I have a serious problem I have access to a Solus.

INNOVA 3160B ABS/SRS+ Professional CanOBDII Diagnostic Code Scanner with Enhanced Live Data
 

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I have to agree with MG44 to a point but think a few things should be clarified. The AE is much slower than the Solus and for working in a commercial/pro environment it may not cut it. I do know a shop that does uses it for certain things but not as its main diagnostic tool. Time is money. I also have used the Solus along with a GT-1 and Autologic and find that the AE for the price does almost everything I need to maintain the cars albeit a little slower. It does lack programming capability but there are very few times that a home mechanic would need to reprogram a module. You can also get into trouble with programming and "bricking" the module is a possibility if you don't know the system. So again, not having the option to program isn't all bad but if you want that flexibility the Solus cannot handle reprogramming either on BMWs, Audis, and Porsches. I'm not sure about the other makes. That requires stepping up to the more expensive options. The Autologic was my favorite but I believe the shop paid upwards around 10k. The AE, while slower, gives live data, bidirectional control of systems, the ability to reset service intervals and brand expandability all for a reasonable cost. If I were working in a shop that serviced a bunch of different domestic and Asian vehicles I would choose a tool like the Solus or Modis. They work great and the diagnostic is really nice. If I were still in a European speciality shop the Autologic wins hands down. It is an awesome tool with a great interface. For home use, with the diverse fleet the OP needs to work on and his price conditions, the AE still gets my recommendation.
 
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I bought a used OTC Genysis on ebay several years ago and it's great. Do you simply want a scan tool that reads codes or a bi-directional test tool like the Genysis or Solus? A true test tool lets you access many of the factory test functions (like selecting individual injectors or manually accessing shift control solenoids). It also lets you perform learn functions needed when replacing parts like a crank sensor or TPS.
 
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This has been an interesting thread. I appreciate the input from everyone.

As far as what I want, that is a hard question for me to answer. I never know what I am going to get into. I used to do quite a lot of side work but have managed to get away from that pretty much. Seems like somebody is always sneaking up on me with trouble of some kind. If I was still doing side work the AE would be a good way to go. But at the moment it is a bit out of the price range.

It is starting to look like my best option right now is the Autel 802. Still a bit more than I want to spend, but seems to be liked by some guys here. And a step up from a basic code reader. I could always jump the pins if I just wanted a code reader, but that don't really tell much.

My daughters Eclipse has a Check Engine light on that I need to look at. I have been dealing with some crazy electrical issue with my sons Jeep. So hopefully I can use it right away and feel that I have returned on the investment.

I have considered a used SnapOn, Mac or OTC scanner, but they change so fast that I have know idea where to start as far as how far back I could go and still be functional.
 

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Sounds like you had your mind already made up before even starting this thread.

Make sure and do a review on here about how you like so others interested will know.
 
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I use AE in the shop on a daily basis as my go-to scanner. I have the latest updates on the Pro-Bundle. AE has really come a long way in the last 4 years if you had earlier versions. My diag work is domestic & asian cars.

In the shop, we've go an older Modis with a busted screen that doesn't see much use anymore. Also an older Genisys that is way out of date collecting dust somewhere in a storage room.

We just hired a tech to handle all the Euro cars and he has his favorite scanner plus the new Maxida DS708. I had a chance to look at it one day on a WV he had in his bay and must say the DS708 appears to be a serious scan tool with a lot of capabilities.

Just my 2 cents.
Remember, no aftermarket scanner can do it all; there will be holes in all on them. A scanner is just a compass pointing the way to the area of the problem. The proper repair requires the knowlege that is resting on top of your shoulders.:thumbup:
 

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Remember, no aftermarket scanner can do it all; there will be holes in all on them. A scanner is just a compass pointing the way to the area of the problem. The proper repair requires the knowlege that is resting on top of your shoulders.:thumbup:

Best post of the thread! It should be the first thing anyone reads when asking about this subject.
 
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Sounds like you had your mind already made up before even starting this thread.

Make sure and do a review on here about how you like so others interested will know.


I don't know why it would sound like that. I asked because I know that there are guys here that are much better informed than I am on the subject. I got a lot of input and decided on the one I did based on that input and my own level of comfort. Price and level of the scanners ability seem to work for me.

I had not even considered the Autel 802 until mentioned here.

Still open to suggestions. I have not ordered anything yet.
 

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I have the MT 2500 "red brick" that i bought new in 2003. I had another one and for some reason decided to trade it in on the new one... My old one wasnt current and as I remember itw as gonna be stupid expensive to get it there... back then "current" meant 2 model years older than what's currently out. In 03 I was good to 2001.. I am still good to '01 (havent updated since) As I remember I paid like $3300 for it then now I see em all day long for $500 or less.... I would like to get the programmable cartridge for it and the personality keys I lack
the Modis was just coming out them and I was promised that everything that would fit a 2500 would also fit the modis in case I was wanting to trade up within a couple years... now the modis is history and they have the Solus I would just like a programmable cartridge for my red Brick that is good (updated) as new as it can possibly be, and run with that for a while. I got away from wrenching 1-1/2 years after buying my red brick and the newest thing I own is a 1997 so its good for everything I have... occasionally on a side job I had to go borrow a cartridge from a buddy but he has now traded his Brick for something else When he gets an older car to work on, guess who's scanner he borrows? He bought my 94 Dakota from me so I am guessing that if anything ever happens to it, i'll be gettin a call for my scanner..... and HE works as a tech at a Dodge dealer go figure

I would disagree with you. Snap On sold and serviced the brick for 20+ years. You could update it right up to the point that it just could not work on the newer vehicles. The technology required to repair cars surpased what the unit could acheive. Alot of diagnostic equipment is rebranded now. Snap on did it right. Never seen another like it, and serviced for that long. Look at OTC. Moniter 2000, 3000, 4000, enhanced 4000, pegasis, genesys, and several more. They ditched what they had and it became obsolete very quick.

I bought a modis a couple of years ago. For all makes all models, ability to update, its hard to beat. Yes its does cost to keep it updated, but how much does it cost to replace scan tools every few years because they are obsolete.

The modis is still available from snap on. It is a scan tool, and volt meter in one. The solus is a scan tool. The vantage pro is a volt meter. The verus is much like a modis, but had a few upgrades such as wireless, and touchscreen.

My brick was updated to the end. When I purchased the modis, it was what I would call a bare unit. All of the wires and obd 1 and 2 connectors, I used from the brick. Simply plug in and go.

I would question why you would think you could upgrade after not doing so for ten years, at a minimum price.

When it comes to the modis, I have a SO dealer that stops and he may not have all of the answers, but a phone call away is most of them. Updates are handled on his truck, and the tool is out of service for a very small time. I have had OTC products in the past, and customer service has been an issue for me. I actually had better luck, going through mac tools for help on a rebranded OTC, than OTC direct.

Autel makes a nice little scanner that I saw at the vision trade show in KC last year. If I remember it was about $1200. Did all makes all models and was updatable. Actually updates were included for 1 year. Looked pretty simple and easy to use. The downside was many vendors were selling them and it was really hard to know what you get. They all had their own twists on the same story.

All in all, buy what you can afford, and use it and get good with it. Make sure that you can get it upgraded. Decide what your needs are and buy one that will fulfill them.
 

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Look at OTC. Moniter 2000, 3000, 4000, enhanced 4000, pegasis, genesys, and several more. They ditched what they had and it became obsolete very quick.

I disagree there. OTC still sells the Genysis and if I had the need I could get the software to update mine for current year vehicles. The newest car I work on is a 2002, so there's no need for it. The nice thing about the frequent Genysis updates is that the older stuff is available used for cheap. I got the memory card and OS 3.0 upgrade for mine for peanuts on ebay. In fact, the most expensive thing was the euro software and cable kit (that I had to buy new) so I could plug into my wife's Volvo.
 

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It just depends on what your needs are. Like I said earlier, I really like the SnapOn Solus for the wide range of coverage and what it offers in terms of testing, vehicle specific info, and troubleshooting included. I am not a SnapOn geek by any means. Most of their tools are over priced and simply not a very good investment when you look at the return vs the purchase. However; their scanners are top notch and the next best thing to manufacture specific software/scanners such as the DRB III, Tech II, etc...

I know a lot of the Euro car shops talk highly about the launch/autel scanners, I have never used one personally.

If you aren't going to be making money with it, a $4000 Solus etc doesn't really make sense to purchase. A handheld code reader with a decent selection of live data will serve just fine. Heck, its all we ran for a long time at my shop when I first opened up. I only ended up opting for a Solus because of the QuickLearn feature needed for Chrysler transmission service. Other then that I could make do on 98% of our jobs with just a basic code reader. The two Solus scanner speed up the process, but if they were both sent out for repair we could make do with a basic OBD II reader/scanner.
 

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So OTC finally got it figured out, that equipment that you can update is better than equipment that needs upgraded.

As MG44 says if your needs represent something that you make money off of, you need to be able to update it, and the eisier you can do that the better. Agree that Snap-on has very good scan tools and only manufacturers are better. Will they do it all on all makes and all models? No. Will they do alot on all makes all models? you bet.

The only draw back to snap on would be that most are updated by a dealer. Its just downloaded kind of a pass through system from a dealers computer terminal. The updates are several hundred dollars that if a dealer does not know you, you would have to pay lump sum. As far as there european software, you buy in once and its included into there updates. Updates are ussually the same price either way.

Buy one that you can understand and use, and afford. Use it and get good with it. do your homework. The worst investment you could make on equipment is equipment that you do not use.
 

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I got the MD802 a few weeks ago and I'm happy with it so far. It was $275 from a seller on Amazon, but just checking now and they're asking $390! Guess I was lucky I ordered when I did.

I have a pretty diverse fleet between me and my family. American, Asian, and European, so I like that it can read just about everything out of the box. Seems like the other options require some fairly expensive updates to get that capability.

I haven't tested it extensively, but it gave me the ABS code I needed to fix my 1999 Ford van, and it found all the modules in a 2011 Nissan. The live data it shows is interesting, if nothing else. I need to see how it does on my 2002 Porsche next...
 

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Update on Autoenginuity - I like the support

As I said in my previous post, I ordered the BMW Enhanced pak to help my Brother-in-Law "register" the new battery he put into his BMW X3. We got the battery at Advance. They almost didn't sell it to him because they said he HAD to go to a dealer to have the computer told about the new battery. They were the only ones in town who had a battery to fit so we talked them into selling it to us.

When I got the activation code for the BMW, we worked for quite awhile trying to figure out how to do the battery thing, but never found it. Last night about 10 PM, I emailed a support request to AE about it. By 0900 this morning, I had a reply back with a detailed explanation of how to do it AND a list of vehicles that require it. It turns out his 2005 X3 didn't need the procedure and that is why we couldn't find it in the menus.

+1 for Autoenginuity
-1 for Advance Auto Parts
 
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I have read a bit about the BMW battery replacement "issue." My wife drives a Z4 and from what I have read, it does not have the battery coded to the computer. But it did make me wonder WTF! Why in hell should I not be able to replace a battery in a car I own. I'm sure they have some BS reason behind it, but it all boils down to spending way too much money for a dealer issued part, or paying them to "allow" me to install one of my own choice. F' that.

Sorry for the rant. I hate being F'd with.
 

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I have read a bit about the BMW battery replacement "issue." My wife drives a Z4 and from what I have read, it does not have the battery coded to the computer. But it did make me wonder WTF! Why in hell should I not be able to replace a battery in a car I own. I'm sure they have some BS reason behind it, but it all boils down to spending way too much money for a dealer issued part, or paying them to "allow" me to install one of my own choice. F' that.

Sorry for the rant. I hate being F'd with.

Couldn't agree more. I spent an hour on BMW forums trying to figure out if his model was affected. About 50% said "Don't take a chance. Take it to the dealer" and the other half said, "I just changed the battery and everything has been fine." I didn't find one case of "I changed the battery and everything is all hosed up." NOTE: YMMV

I love and plan to keep my E36 and E46 until they are dead because I can work on them. Even the indy shop where I take my cars (if I can't fix them) is beginning to not sell the late model BMWs because of stuff like this.

I now have Autoenginuity's list if anyone wants to know about a specific model. This isn't proprietary. Just the list of cars for which they supply the Battery Registration capability.

Here it is
2004+ 1 Series (e81, e82, e87 & e88)
2006+ 3 Series (e90, e91, e92 & e93)
2004+ 5 Series (e60 & e61)
2003+ 6 Series (e63 & e64)
2002+ 7 series (e65 & e66)
2007+ X5 (e70)
2008+ X6 (e71)
 
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anyone got a programmable cartridge for a Snap on Brick collecting dust not being used? Intrerested in selling? Preferably updated beyond 2001? (since that is my current newest car I can scan w/o using "Generic" mode)
I got out of wrenching for a living in 05 and am going back to it in a couple weeks, I'd like a Solus but cant yet justify buying one til I get several months' paychecks once back "in" so (at least) til then I need to make my "brick" last a while, in usefulness...
 
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