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So over the summer while running utilities out to the my new barn I also included in that 2 Cat 6e wires to be used for internet and whatever else. Now that I am in the process of running wire in the garage and would like to set up some ethernet ports around my work area for internet use. The Cat6 wire that I am using will be plugged into my wireless router at the house (260ft away) and I would like to split the pole barn end into 3 different ethernet outlets.

Can this be done and if so what is the best way?
 
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If you want wifi in the shop, plug the ethernet into the LAN side of the router in the house, then plug it into the LAN side of another router in the shop. Do not plug anything into the WAN port in the router in the shop, but you can use the other LAN ports for cables to other wired devices. Then turn off DHCP on the router in the shop, and set it up with the same SSID and password/security, but a different channel from the house wifi router.
 

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If you want wifi in the shop, plug the ethernet into the LAN side of the router in the house, then plug it into the LAN side of another router in the shop. Do not plug anything into the WAN port in the router in the shop, but you can use the other LAN ports for cables to other wired devices. Then turn off DHCP on the router in the shop, and set it up with the same SSID and password/security, but a different channel from the house wifi router.

This will work, or if you're not interested/don't need the additional AP out there, just buy a cheap switch and use it for distribution. (bolded for importance, you don't turn off DHCP, and neither network will work, additionally, you'll need to assign the second router being used as an access point a different IP address than the "primary" router, or they'll conflict, again no worky :beer:)
 

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So over the summer while running utilities out to the my new barn I also included in that 2 Cat 6e wires to be used for internet and whatever else. Now that I am in the process of running wire in the garage and would like to set up some ethernet ports around my work area for internet use. The Cat6 wire that I am using will be plugged into my wireless router at the house (260ft away) and I would like to split the pole barn end into 3 different ethernet outlets.

Can this be done and if so what is the best way?

If you just want a few ports a low cost unmanaged switch is all you need.

Best rated on NewEgg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1N82825704&cm_re=switch-_-33-156-250-_-Product


This is one example, and its on sale.

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Another

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122128

No setup... You just plug them in.
 
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I would terminate those lines into a single gang box and put two keystone jacks in. This will at least get your feed terminated in the shop. Or just terminate the one and leave the other coiled in the box. Use a patch cable from there to what ever device you add in to split. While you can just toss on a rj45 to essentially get the job done, I think the box makes it look cleaner. Your call.

From there if you configure the router as Rlitman described, your main feed will run to the router and have 3 available spots to run wires to other equipment. I will say some newer linksys stuff actually allows the WAN/Internet port to be the uplink in bridge mode which allows 4 available spots for connection.

Some other things to consider...

If you wanted to split the lines and not use wireless, I would highly recommend this gigabit netgear switch. At it's price point I have not found a substitute given its reliability and build quality (metal case).

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0000BVYT3/?tag=atomicindus08-20
 

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If you purely want wired access, just install a 5 port switch in the shop (Netgear GS105 for example).

You'd also be able to use the second CAT6e cable for a telephone land line if you wish.
 

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What the other guys said - you just need a small switch. If it was me, I'd probably install several jacks around the shop, mount a cabinet with patch panel and switch, and just connect the jacks I was going to use. If this is a much smaller setup, you could just put the switch somewhere central and use premade cables to connect your devices.
 

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Not sure why you'd want to go to the trouble (configuration) or expense of a 2nd router when, as mentioned, an inexpensive plug-and-play switch will do. I have this very setup, albeit not the distance you will have, but it works fine.
 

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Get a gigabit switch with as many ports as you need and you are done. Just make sure it's a switch. I've got a 16 port Cisco switch for the 15 hard lines running to each bedroom/level of the house and it works great. Some line runs are over 200' and I have no issue.
 

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What the other guys said - you just need a small switch. If it was me, I'd probably install several jacks around the shop, mount a cabinet with patch panel and switch, and just connect the jacks I was going to use. If this is a much smaller setup, you could just put the switch somewhere central and use premade cables to connect your devices.

+1 to the advice of Jeff Moss the pro !!

Unmanaged switch with be no hassle 100% uptime solution with hardwire.
 

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I went with the second router option in my garage. It allows me to have wifi for my phone, laptop, and smart tv. I still haven't added hardwired ports yet as I haven't needed them yet.
 
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Thanks for all the input fellas! When I first posted this I was strictly thinking about using something like (what I know now) a switch and having hardwired access points around the shop.
Now after seeing some of the posts I think I would like to go the route of having a second router in the barn with some hardwired access points coming off the second router. Couple of questions though on doing this?
-I have an older Linksys dual antenna wireless G router, what do I have to do to access/change the IP address? I set this unit up a long time ago and don't recall much about it.
-Does the second router have to be the same brand? One of my google searches said that this made things easier.
 

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What the other guys said - you just need a small switch. If it was me, I'd probably install several jacks around the shop, mount a cabinet with patch panel and switch, and just connect the jacks I was going to use. If this is a much smaller setup, you could just put the switch somewhere central and use premade cables to connect your devices.

You just described my basement set up! I am now all wireless,l so it gets used very infrequently.
 

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-I have an older Linksys dual antenna wireless G router, what do I have to do to access/change the IP address? I set this unit up a long time ago and don't recall much about it.
-Does the second router have to be the same brand? One of my google searches said that this made things easier.

1) to access your router connect it directly to your computer with an ethernet cable.
2) open your internet browser. In the browser bar type in this IP address and select return: 192.168.1.1
3) this should get you to the Linksys log in screen for your router. You'll need to enter your password. If you don't remember it or you never changed it the default is "admin".
4) once your in you can make the changes you need. You should be able to get the User Guide for your specific model router from their website. This will guide you to the location of the settings you need.
5) update the router's firmware! User Guide will tell you how.
 

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My basement is fully wired...phone, data, coax, audio...but then again, I'm in the industry!

So am I, but I'm a management guy not a techie. I used the opportunity to teach myself how the techies would do it. One of my guys even offered to come to the house but refused. I'm a bit dangerous with a punch tool :lol_hitti
 
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This will work, or if you're not interested/don't need the additional AP out there, just buy a cheap switch and use it for distribution. (bolded for importance, you don't turn off DHCP, and neither network will work, additionally, you'll need to assign the second router being used as an access point a different IP address than the "primary" router, or they'll conflict, again no worky :beer:)

I am with riltman. Switch the garage access point to bridge mode, so nat routing, DHCP, etc. are all disabled on the garage AP. Let the house router handle this.

Most wireless routers will give you the 3-5 ports you need for your hard wired outlets.
 

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I'm a WiFi guy - I'd just put in a second router and not run wire one. 260' from the house router, should not have to do anything but plug the feed into the Internet port on the shop router and set the DHCP scope to give addresses not given in the house. I can maybe see a wired connection if you are streaming big video from a house server. Other than that - and quality wireless routers can handle it - WiFi is plenty of bandwidth. The only network wire in this house is the one from the demarc to the router. And wife streams video and netflicks a lot.
 
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I'm a WiFi guy - I'd just put in a second router and not run wire one. 260' from the house router, should not have to do anything but plug the feed into the Internet port on the shop router and set the DHCP scope to give addresses not given in the house. I can maybe see a wired connection if you are streaming big video from a house server. Other than that - and quality wireless routers can handle it - WiFi is plenty of bandwidth. The only network wire in this house is the one from the demarc to the router. And wife streams video and netflicks a lot.

Don't have two DHCP servers and definitely don't double-NAT... no reason. Let the house's router handle everything.
 

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I just realized...in true GJ fashion...you really need a 7ft enclosed cabinet, redundant PDUs and a generator out back...because reasons!
 

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It is until you have to start fixing it! I've learned to not let it get as far as that because it usually involves more work for me in the end.. But it is funny..

Even worse are the guys who don't even OWN a punchdown tool, they use a screwdriver and ruin a whole jack and block...lol
 

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Thanks for all the input fellas! When I first posted this I was strictly thinking about using something like (what I know now) a switch and having hardwired access points around the shop.
Now after seeing some of the posts I think I would like to go the route of having a second router in the barn with some hardwired access points coming off the second router. Couple of questions though on doing this?
-I have an older Linksys dual antenna wireless G router, what do I have to do to access/change the IP address? I set this unit up a long time ago and don't recall much about it.
-Does the second router have to be the same brand? One of my google searches said that this made things easier.

It's your garage, you do what you want man but I considered the second router myself. After I thought about it, I knew there would be two places that I'd using my laptop in my garage. That's when I decide to go hardwired, plug and play, no switching anything when I take my laptop out there. I'll probably pick up an older PC or laptop just for the garage and be done in the future.

I used a Netgear switch, wired in two plugs and made two different length Cat5e cords to use. It was another learning process for me.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3517750&postcount=1418

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3517764&postcount=1419
 

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It's your garage, you do what you want man but I considered the second router myself. After I thought about it, I knew there would be two places that I'd using my laptop in my garage. That's when I decide to go hardwired, plug and play, no switching anything when I take my laptop out there. I'll probably pick up an older PC or laptop just for the garage and be done in the future.

I used a Netgear switch, wired in two plugs and made two different length Cat5e cords to use. It was another learning process for me.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3517750&postcount=1418

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3517764&postcount=1419

Do you not have a smartphone? I have WiFi in the barn and surrounding area for my phone primarily, not just my laptop.
 

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Hardwired.......then the NSA can't spy on you.

Ok....joking aside....

WiFi is great.....but it has it's limits....and I'm seeing it daily. Like yesterday when all 3 kids were on their kindels or computers watching YouTube videos about Scampi (that Mincraft guy). It was affecting my browsing and I know they were having lags. One kid was on the Xbox One and it was having no problems....it's hard wired.....well, no trouble until the MS site got hacked again by the N Korean's ....
 
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Ok, this is what I'm doing. I found a good deal on a Linksys EA3500 router so I'm ordering it for the house and then going to put my old Linksys WRT54g in the barn. Going to keep it simple and mount the router somewhere near the workbench which will allow me to make a direct connection if necessary.
Just to make sure I have this right on the setup;
-Plug into the LAN port on the house router, plug into the internet port on the barn router
-Turn off the DHCP in the shop
-Set both routers to same SSID and passwords
-Set both routers to different channels
-And change the IP address of the barn router

Did I miss anything?
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Ok, this is what I'm doing. I found a good deal on a Linksys EA3500 router so I'm ordering it for the house and then going to put my old Linksys WRT54g in the barn. Going to keep it simple and mount the router somewhere near the workbench which will allow me to make a direct connection if necessary.
Just to make sure I have this right on the setup;
-Plug into the LAN port on the house router, plug into the internet port on the barn router
-Turn off the DHCP in the shop
-Set both routers to same SSID and passwords
-Set both routers to different channels
-And change the IP address of the barn router

Did I miss anything?
-

Yes, but you're pretty close.. I just put an E2000 I got on Craigslist for $10 in my garage two days ago.
Wired in as I described above, it is now my third wireless access point. Before this, the wifi signal in my detached garage sucked. Now it's awesome.

[edited below to include the correct order to do things to make your life easiest]

First:
Change old router to a different IP address (usually your internet gateway router will be 192.168.1.1, so set the barn router's inside IP address to 192.168.1.2.
Turn off DHCP on the soon to be barn router.
Change this before installing the new router, and THEN remove the old router.
Plug your internet into the internet port on the house router (not related to this, just covering all bases), replace the old router with the new one and get your internet working again.

Second.
Make sure that the DHCP range on the ONE router that is doing dhcp (which should be the new house router) does not include 192.168.1.2 (start it at a higher number, like 192.168.1.100).


Plug the wire connecting the barn to the house into the LAN port on the house router.
Plug the connecting wire into the LAN port on the barn router.
Optional: Put a piece of tape over the internet/WAN port on the barn router (you won't be using it).
You can now plug any other wired devices into the remaining LAN ports.

If you can, set both routers to the same SSID (this is case sensitive) and password (this will ONLY work if both are set to use the same security settings such as WPA2).

If the old router does not support the same type of wifi network as the new one, you should just create a new SSID (though this creates other issues).

In your case, you may have a problem though. The WRT54G supports B/G networks, while the EA3500 supports N. You can use the same SSID for all access points on a network, but only if the security is the same on all nodes. In your case, if you use WPA2 personal, it should work.

Wifi devices are stupid. If they're connected to a network, they will stay connected to that SSID until they lose their connection. And they'll connect to the first network that they recognize.

If you choose a different SSID for the house and the barn, then if your phone connects to the wifi in the house, when you walk to the barn, so long as it still has minimal signal, it will try to stay connected to the house. If that still works, great. But my issue has been that once you get too far away, you remain connected, but may not be able to use the bandwidth for squat. Unless they're so far apart that each different network cannot be seen from the opposite end, you may find that devices you carry up and back will be stuck to the wrong access point, and your signal will be awful.

If you choose the same SSID/security on all your access points, then your device will always think it is connected to the same network, and will automatically attach to the access point with the most powerful signal (automatic roaming).


Set both routers to a different channel.
USE ONLY channels 1,6, or 11, and NOTHING in between.
 
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Yes, but you're pretty close.. I just put an E2000 I got on Craigslist for $10 in my garage two days ago.
Wired in as I described above, it is now my third wireless access point. Before this, the wifi signal in my detached garage sucked. Now it's awesome.

[edited below to include the correct order to do things to make your life easiest]

First:
Change old router to a different IP address (usually your internet gateway router will be 192.168.1.1, so set the barn router's inside IP address to 192.168.1.2.
Turn off DHCP on the soon to be barn router.
Change this before installing the new router, and THEN remove the old router.
Plug your internet into the internet port on the house router (not related to this, just covering all bases), replace the old router with the new one and get your internet working again.

Second.
Make sure that the DHCP range on the ONE router that is doing dhcp (which should be the new house router) does not include 192.168.1.2 (start it at a higher number, like 192.168.1.100).


Plug the wire connecting the barn to the house into the LAN port on the house router.
Plug the connecting wire into the LAN port on the barn router.
Optional: Put a piece of tape over the internet/WAN port on the barn router (you won't be using it).
You can now plug any other wired devices into the remaining LAN ports.

If you can, set both routers to the same SSID (this is case sensitive) and password (this will ONLY work if both are set to use the same security settings such as WPA2).

If the old router does not support the same type of wifi network as the new one, you should just create a new SSID (though this creates other issues).

In your case, you may have a problem though. The WRT54G supports B/G networks, while the EA3500 supports N. You can use the same SSID for all access points on a network, but only if the security is the same on all nodes. In your case, if you use WPA2 personal, it should work.

Wifi devices are stupid. If they're connected to a network, they will stay connected to that SSID until they lose their connection. And they'll connect to the first network that they recognize.

If you choose a different SSID for the house and the barn, then if your phone connects to the wifi in the house, when you walk to the barn, so long as it still has minimal signal, it will try to stay connected to the house. If that still works, great. But my issue has been that once you get too far away, you remain connected, but may not be able to use the bandwidth for squat. Unless they're so far apart that each different network cannot be seen from the opposite end, you may find that devices you carry up and back will be stuck to the wrong access point, and your signal will be awful.

If you choose the same SSID/security on all your access points, then your device will always think it is connected to the same network, and will automatically attach to the access point with the most powerful signal (automatic roaming).


Set both routers to a different channel.
USE ONLY channels 1,6, or 11, and NOTHING in between.


Excellent, thanks for taking the time to write this up! You are right, as it stands now my phone will pick up my house internet from 250' away, I just cant do anything with it.
I will report back when my new router shows up.
 

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as it stands now my phone will pick up my house internet from 250' away, I just cant do anything with it.

Any time. Let us know how it works out.

Yeah, that's wifi for you. My phone got the wifi from the house well enough to read an email in the garage (barely 50' from the wifi in the house, but with the metal lath in my stucco walls, that's not bad range actually). But I just got an Amazon Fire Stick to use with the TV in the garage, and it only works over wifi. It could connect through the house, but 1 minute into a show it would have to buffer again. Felt like I was on AOL with dialup.

I already had a cat5 to the garage that I ran years ago but never hooked up, so it was time for me to expand my network. I'm actually on my third access point now that I added the garage, with one in the basement where my internet comes in at my main router, and one upstairs to improve the range.

There are ways to use the wifi on a second router to extend your wifi network without a wire between the access points, but if you have the wire use it. It's the best way to do this.

PS, if you have a router that does not support WPA2 encryption at a minimum, it is time to toss it and upgrade. Anything less is irretrievably broken.
 
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Any time. Let us know how it works out.

broken.

:rocker:
Thanks to all!
Got both routers hooked up tonight and everything is working great! I have the house now set up with the new Linksys EA3500, tested that out and its running twice the speed of the old router.
Then went out the the garage and put my phone in wifi only which showed one bar of wireless. Tried a youtube vid and all it did was buffer. I then plugged in my old home router into the garage Cat6 and sure enough wifi strength went to full and the buffering stopped! :thumbup:
 
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