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bluesman2a

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I just bought a compound sliding miter saw. It has a 10" blade. The one thing EVERY review I've read says is "put a good blade on it".

So for finish type work 1X3, 1X6, composite trim like Azek and the like, what is a good blade?

I was considering one of these two:
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

I just picked them because I recognize the Freud name, am I going the right direction here?
 
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I don't think you could go wrong with either of those although I don't have personal experience with those. I have always used Oldham blades in my miter and have always had good results so I've just always used them.
 

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if your at HD anyhow,get the Ridgid 90 tooth blade. I build cabinets,and have done finish carpentry for 20+ years,and the Ridgid blade cuts nicer then both the Freud blades that you posted.I have 3 of the Ridgid blades,and they have a lot ofcuts on them,when ones in for a resharpen,I have 2 backups. I have a 10 Hitachi slide/compound that the blade is used on,if that helps any
 

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While those blades are very good. I would not recommend them for white azek boards. The red teflon coating will transfer to the cut piece quite randomly. I use a avanti blade made by freud, but it has a clear teflon coating. You dont need that high of a tooth count for what you are doing. A 60 tooth would be find. That said I use a 40 tooth freud diablo in my miter box and use it for everything. I have 3 or 4 of the red diablos, just don't use them for anything finish where the red marks could show.
 

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I use Amana blades, Oldham, and CMT. First- 1969 has it, it is all about the hook (fray on the wood grain ends) and the teeth. Also, I've had better results with sharpened blade over new ones hands down. Cutting Aztek is easy, it is dense but not finiky like veneer. 80 tooth with an 0 hook is gonna serve you very well.
 

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A "good" blade is going to one that is sharp and has enough teeth to provide the cut you want.
Something with less teeth like 24 teeth is normally used for cuts that won't be exposed or finished pieces (IE framing). This would be for something like studs or ripping plywood.

For anything that is exposed you'll want a finish blade which is around 80 teeth. Having a good blade is really important for wood with a veneer or finish (laminate flooring for example) on it so it will make a smooth cut and doesn't cause chips to be taken out of the wood like can happen with a 24 tooth blade.

If it were me, I'd buy several "cheaper" blades rather than one expensive one. Blades are consumables and will wear out so depending on how much you use it you'll probably find its expensive to keep replacing your $80 blade.
 

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Although I generally like Freud blades, the Diablo ones are a little more 'construction' than fine-woodworking. Not bad generally, but not necessarily 'the best'.

http://www.diablotools.com/

Power miter saw blade for 'fine' work is usually an 80 or 80+ tooth blade in the 10 inch size.

Freud LU85 is their Ultimate Cut-Off blade. Recommended for wood from 1/4 inch thick to 1-5/8 inch thick.

Here
http://freudtools.com/images/SB-Sel-3004x1440.jpg

or here in PDF form

http://freudtools.com/images/PDF/SB-Sel-Chart-2008.pdf


Oh, wait, you said 10 inch slide compound miter. Freud recommends the 10x60 LU91 there. It has a 5 deg negative hook angle (I suspect to minimize 'grabbing').

+1 on using a 'good' blade. There is a pretty big difference between low quality blades and high quality blades. A 'good' cross-cut blade on a power miter saw gives a cut about as fine as if you sanded it to like 220 grit. It lets you 'shave' off the width of a pencil line. Or less.

Another 'good' blade maker is Forrest.

http://forrestblades.com/chopmaster.htm
 

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If it were me, I'd buy several "cheaper" blades rather than one expensive one. Blades are consumables and will wear out so depending on how much you use it you'll probably find its expensive to keep replacing your $80 blade.


buy a good blade,and when its dull,resharpen it. It costs around $10-20 per sharpening[depending on the number of teeth].Trust me,dont buy a cheap blade,you will hate the saw
 

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" Having a good blade is really important for wood with a veneer or finish (laminate flooring for example) on it so it will make a smooth cut and doesn't cause chips to be taken out of the wood like can happen with a 24 tooth blade"

Not to steal the thread but I thought I would off a view counter to everyone I have ever met who installed a laminate floor... Laminate floors are designed and installed so that every cut is buried by trim or moulding. Why in the world would you toast a perfectly good high quality carbide blade on cuts that will never be seen? The whole claim to fame with laminate flooring is that it wears like iron, or more correctly, aluminum oxide, which is exactly the material that is coated onto the surface of laminate flooring. It is also a material that will ruin a good carbide blade in a hurry. Cut a piece of laminate flooring in the dark...watch the sparks fly. Aluminum oxide against silicon carbide make for quite a battle. If you want to cut laminate efficiently, use the smallest, cheapest blade that you can buy for your cordless saw...throw aways. Cut the material from the back side to minimize chips and save your nice 10 inch 80 tooth beatuities for real fussy stuff.
 

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So where can you bring in blades to get them sharpened?


Same question here. my local saw shop can't sharpen anything past a chainsaw chain and their not very good at that either. I've resigned myself to buying new blades as needed. At least they are a write off, for now anyway.
 

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So where can you bring in blades to get them sharpened?

check with one of the larger woodworking tool supply places[not HD/Lowes] or if you have a woodworkers store,or a woodcraft store,ask them. I use Cleveland Tool & Cutter in Strongsville,OH
 

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Listen to TCIANCI, he knows what he is talking about, this goes for all composite materials like trex as well. Trex is just an example.
For fine cuts on finish material like crown or any exposed cuts, trim, moulding stairs parts, handrails etc i use CMT blades and take a stack of them to be sharpened every few months.
 

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i know a good place, its 5mins from my house. i think they do stuff by mail if you cant find a local place that does a good job
 
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The local lumber yard where I do most of my business is a drop off point for some saw shop somewhere. I just leave them on the counter and they show up sharpened a few days later. I think they get .35 a tooth and $3.00 a tooth to braze in a new one. Obviously, you need to check into what you're paying for a new blade before you send them out to be sharpened. I have gotten plenty of Irwin, DeWalt and Vermont American blades at flea markets for 2-4 bucks a throw, they certainly aren't worth sharpening.
In most good blades, the body of the blade is as much a part of the performance of the blade as the design of the tooth and the sharpness. In the case of the Freud blades, many of them are thin bodied blades with laser cut slots that help keeping the blade stable and assist in dissipating heat. The thin bodies mean a narrower kerf, thus it takes less energy to make a cut which is especially useful in cordless tools. But thin bodied blades rely on the engineering of the body itself to maintain performance and they usually aren't cheap (initially, but as you get them resharpened they become more of a value) The flip side of this is more of a brute force blade like an Oldham. Every Oldham I have owned had had a very stout body and heavy teeth. There's a lot of metal there for the money but it seems to me that they take more energy to make a cut. I buy them when they're on special at HD but rarely have them re-done.
 

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As saw blades go you have been getting some great advice. As someone said the higher the tooth count the finer the cut. Rip blades have les then 28 teeth,so you will not buy them for your saw.

Someone said to buy a cheap blade because they wear out,yes cheap blades
do wear out very fast,so you need to not go there!

Freud blades are very good.
I have a local shop sharpen my blades,most towns have some kind of machine shop that can sharpen a carbide tip blade.
If you want to buy a top notch blade send me a pm and I can give you the name of a very good company.
 

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N If you want to cut laminate efficiently, use the smallest, cheapest blade that you can buy for your cordless saw...throw aways. Cut the material from the back side to minimize chips and save your nice 10 inch 80 tooth beatuities for real fussy stuff.

Yup I had zero issues when I did mine that way....come to think of it I dont think I have bought a good blade. All I do is rough work, but Id like to get into some nicer work this winter
 

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+1 on negative hook for blade.

The blades shown by OP were not specifically designed for CCMS application.

I would use a quality blade for finish work. For 'construction' type applications, a 'utility' quality blade is good because more than likely you are going to cut somethign that will ruin a high quality blade.

Roger
 

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I would say negative hook for your application (climb cutting) and if your saw can handle a full kerf blade do it for the stability. I have one of the industrial Freuds. The Diablo's are a thin kerf blade and I have found that they have lateral runnout. The thicker Freuds have shown less runnout for me.
 
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Something that hasn't been mentioned that might be of importance............ get a blade with a "0" hook or even a negative hook. Woodworking sites tend to recommend this for miter saws.

OK, the term "hook" is new to me, what does that mean and how can I tell what a given blade is if it's not listed.

Based on local availability and feedback, I was thinking about one of these:
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

Any other thoughts?
 

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I'd just order the Freud LU91 or the Forrest blade. I don't think I've really heard a negative review of 'good' Freud blades or Forrest blades. Cost excepted.

The Rigid may or may not be fine. I don't know as I haven't used that blade.

As to good blade versus cheap blade, you DO get what you pay for IMHO.

Usually 'good' blades have better materials (carbide tips and blade body steel) and better workmanship (grinding on the carbide tips, overall assembly, blade body flatness and runout, etc). The Freud higher-end blades usually have harder and flatter blade bodies and thicker carbide tips (stronger -and- gives you more material to sharpen so you can get more life out of the blade).

As to blade thickness and kerf, Freud makes LOTS of different blades. Some are full plate thickness and full kerf, and others are thin kerf. Like most things in life, there are trade-offs. Thicker kerf and plate means stronger and less deflection but takes more motor power and makes more wood into sawdust. Thin kerf means it cuts a bit easier and makes a little less sawdust (wastes less wood, in other words) but can deflect a little bit more or vibrate/sing and make a -slightly- more ragged/rough cut.

Oh, the other thing I have noticed about using a 'good' blade, is that they are usually a little bit quieter and don't 'whistle' or ring/sing as much. Not always that easy to tell, as the universal motor on a chop/miter saw is usually pretty darn loud. Loud enough that I use hearing protectors for pretty much all power tools nowadays. Drill press and scroll saw are about the only ones that are usually quiet enough that I don't always put on the muffs. Unless I also have the dust collector running, in which case that is loud enough to warrant muffs/plugs.

As to sharpening blades, you can go to the Forrest website. They offer blade resharpening if you can't find a local competent place. They sharpen other brands besides their own. Cost is about $20-$22 or so depending on tooth count, plus shipping. Not a customer (yet), don't own stock in them or work there or anything, just have heard good things about them.

As to cutting laminate flooring, the saw being used determines whether to cut from the 'face' or the 'back'. If using a cordless trim saw (small-blade diameter circular saw) or other hand-held circular saw, then YES you would cut that with the good face DOWN. Because the direction of the blade rotation would then cut the face first and any chip-out would occur on the exit-side of the cut on the 'back' of the workpiece. If using a tablesaw or miter/chop saw, if cutting with the piece 'flat' then you would cut with the good face UP as that face would get cut first and any chip-out would again occur on the exit-side of the cut on the 'back' of the workpiece.

I'll say it again. A 'good' crosscut fine-finish blade on a decent miter saw can leave a cut so smooth it looks like it was sanded to about 220 grit. A 'chop' blade can leave a cut that looks like an angry beaver went at it.

YMMV.
 

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I just bought a compound sliding miter saw. It has a 10" blade. The one thing EVERY review I've read says is "put a good blade on it".

So for finish type work 1X3, 1X6, composite trim like Azek and the like, what is a good blade?

I was considering one of these two:
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

I just picked them because I recognize the Freud name, am I going the right direction here?
Hello Bluesman2a, HDNewf here from the Home Depot out of Chicago.

+1 MoonRise

Freud saw blades are laser cut rather than stamped like cheaper blades. Either of the 2 you cited would work just fine, although the more expensive Ridgid would be even better. Made by Freud, the Ridgid will cut so well that sanding is unnecessary.
I hope this helps.

HDNewf
 

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I HAVE to replace the blade for my miter saw, and am torn on what to get. I really don't want to have to switch blades back and forth, and will be doing a combination of rough cuts and semi-fine cuts. I would rather do a little sanding than having to switch to a specific blade for my few and far between good cuts. What blade and what tooth count is recommended? I am guessing that a 60 tooth blade is about what I need for an "all purpose" blade? FYI... my saw is not a sliding miter saw.

Maybe: http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hard...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

Or: http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hard...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

Or is something like this a good idea so I can switch when I know I am doing a lot of rough cuts (like framing something up): http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hard...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
 
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I HAVE to replace the blade for my miter saw, and am torn on what to get. I really don't want to have to switch blades back and forth, and will be doing a combination of rough cuts and semi-fine cuts. I would rather do a little sanding than having to switch to a specific blade for my few and far between good cuts. What blade and what tooth count is recommended? I am guessing that a 60 tooth blade is about what I need for an "all purpose" blade? FYI... my saw is not a sliding miter saw.

Maybe: http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hard...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

Or: http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hard...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

Or is something like this a good idea so I can switch when I know I am doing a lot of rough cuts (like framing something up): http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hard...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
When using a power saw, either miter saw or table saw, plan to be switching saw blades. What you may want to consider doing is planning ahead when making your cuts. Lay out your work pieces and make as many of the rough cuts first. Then change blades to the fine-cut, higher-tooth count blade and make your finish cuts. Switching between the rough-cut blade and the fine-cut blade will also mean longer life of your saw blades.

I change blades on my miter saw and table saw often enough that I keep the wrenches and saw blades close by, within easy reach.
 

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Thanks HDNewf, that looks like a good blade and definite possibility!

lowbucktruck, I realize I am giving up a little bit of blade life, but I do not have a permanent home for my miter saw, and keeping everything together and easily accessible is proving difficult. I really don't do a ton of cuts w/ my miter saw, and very seldom am I looking for perfection. I would rather error on the side of "too fine" than "too coarse" however.
 

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I HAVE to replace the blade for my miter saw, and am torn on what to get. I really don't want to have to switch blades back and forth, and will be doing a combination of rough cuts and semi-fine cuts. I would rather do a little sanding than having to switch to a specific blade for my few and far between good cuts. What blade and what tooth count is recommended? I am guessing that a 60 tooth blade is about what I need for an "all purpose" blade? FYI... my saw is not a sliding miter saw.

Maybe: http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hard...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

Or: http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hard...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

Or is something like this a good idea so I can switch when I know I am doing a lot of rough cuts (like framing something up): http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hard...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

High steve I bought the ridgid 60 that's in you first depot link here's my take. It works great for all rough cuts and semi smooth cuts it did leave a slight jagged edge. So What I did it cut all my maple with the 60 1/4" long.

Then I put my diablo 80 tooth in for the final cut. I found out this was the only way to achieve the finish I wanted. Here's my wifes shelf I made her for her birthday.

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OK, fellos, here it goes. I been sharpening blades for 15 years, with dry grinders and the Walter NC5 (cnc). Here's my opinion on blades, as I am certified to sharpen fraud, forrest, amana,popular, general, fs tool and and others. I like fraud blades the best, but its all in
1. carbide
2. configuration of teeth, such as hook, rake and number of teeth
3. kerf (thickness of plate or blade)
Heres my opinion of manufactors
1. Fraud- too many options for a regular consumer
2. Forrest- only about 4-5 configurations to choose from which is the basic, alt bevel. triple chip, combination and rip. Not worth the cost for the new blade or their sharpening in which all they do is face the blade for $20-$25
3.Amana- the cheaper line AGE is better blade than their premium blade.
So from that I say get the right blade for YOUR application and on YOUR budget. If anybody needs any advice from someone who knows or needs any GOOD sharpening contact me. Oh yea, the HD Fraud blades dont have the 100% guarentee, if it dont work, you dont pay, like mine does, thanks Donny
 

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IMO,freud has great pr, they are a top producer of carbide, but they really lack on the sharpening skills.

usually a freud will cut way nicer after being sharpened by a good shop than it did right out of the pkg.

I like forrest($$$) and cmt ( affordable at my local supplier-fleet farm!!) myself.

but grab whatever pos is on sale if your cutting laminate flooring .I use my bosch jigsaw on a lot of those jobs.
 
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