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StackedDodge96

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Well I tried searching and didnt find anything useful. Im looking for a good quality soldering iron/gun. What works best for you guys? Im going to be using it for Heavy equipment and automotive applications. Any must haves when purchasing? :thumbup:
 
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If you are going to work in one spot I would go with a corded one as opposed to butane or other portables. Nothing wrong with the butane, just a corded one would heat up faster and hotter.
 

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this is the best you can get for less than $250

Hakko FX-888 - $92 shipped



Weller WESD51 would be my second choice, it's good too, but it's $142 and no better, in fact it has 20W less power.

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I have one of those big dual iron variable temp soldering stations. I still mainly use my 100/140w Weller gun for most soldering jobs.
I only use the soldering station on delicate items where temp control is critical.

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Heats up fast and works great on large wires or terminals that really try to soak up the heat.

Buy extra tips if you use the Weller gun. They will wear out and get brittle and break. Good thing is that you can quickly make your own improvised tip out of some bare 12ga solid copper wire.
 

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I have an old weller pencil and gun as well as a powerprobe butane pencil. I use the corded pencil the most. Butane one for under dash and at the car work.
 

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yeah, like GP said, it depends on the application, my work is mostly on ECU's so temp control and precision are critical.

my friend is a hot-shot auto electrical wiring mechanic, he uses one of the high end butane ones like the crackheads use!

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I've used lots of, well almost everything from butane powered (20 year old models - 15 years ago- todays butane one I have *****) to 12 cigaret lighter models, from (then)$200 soldering stations to simple plug in irons, to the pistol every mechanic buys off the truck and should almost never actually use. I've got several 225W and up antique Stanley and others, and even a Coleman AA powered easy heat.

Weller makes good stuff (personal choice) as does Elenco and Hakko. At work I'm the only one with any real soldering experience (and yes, the head mechanic has that same soldering pistol in his box). I've got a weller sp25 and an SP60 in the shop. Standard hardware store plug in irons. At home I most often use my Weller ht202 soldering station (with a 60 watt pencil point).

you don't need anything fancy, especially if you're going to be working on equipment and in a shop - get a plain iron like the SP60. Chisel tip is fine - conducts heat more efficiently to larger connections. Unless you're soldering big wire (8 or bigger) 60 watts is the best balance between size, capability, and heat. Too much wattage (100-125 watts) melts insulation very fast, and as mentioned those pistol style consume tips.
I would recommend an iron stand in addition to the tin bracket in the SP package. They are cheap and much more secure, plus it can be modified with a magnet under it to stay put on a bench, tool box, or vehicle. something like this
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Use rosen core solder, never acid core (which is for plumbing and will eat the iron's tip). You want thinner solder - plumbing solder size will be too thick for most electrical connections. I like .05 myself.
Paste flux is easier to work with and normally the plumbers stuff is ok (I use the red at work and have several tins at home so old I can't read the labels anymore) but stay away from acid flux or liquid as it's normally acid and again, used for plumbing. Acid flux will not only eat the iron tip but attack the connection and wire.
One of those steel wool looking things for tip cleaning is nice but unnecessary - a small piece of sponge damp with water, or even a folded piece of paper towel damp works fine. That's all the old soldering stations used to have - small tray with a sponge.
 

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this is my secret to great soldering:
(same stuff - CAIG DeOxit makes it as OEM for Radio Shack)

just bury the joint you are about to solder in this stuff and everything suddenly cooperates like magic! :thumbup:

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Flux is your friend, I have an old Weller Station that I found on Ebay cheap. Any of the big three will suit you just fine. I like having temp control and a choice of tips. If your working on heavier gauge wire, you can always increase the tip size and temp so you don't burn out the tip.

This is the one I have but any will do. I like the digital readout.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Weller-EC4000-EC4002B-Electronic-Control-Soldering-Station-w-EC1301-Iron-/381026116103?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58b6ed2207
 

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Sounds like you don't have a handle on what you are going to be soldering.
Without knowing how and what, you are not going to get a helpful answer.
Soldering stations are for bench work most working on boards.
You need to solder some wires in a vehicle, then a gun works better, they heat up faster than pencils.
I've not found a fuel model that I like but not knowing what the subject is, then maybe YMMV.
Unless you are doing component work, you don't need anything fancy or expensive.
 

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For a corded soldering gun, I'm a fan of the Wall Lenk LG400C.

Heads a tails better then any Weller gun I've ever used.

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I have got 2 weller tcp stations, the old 45 / 50 w ones and a reasonable selection of bits, gets anything I want soldering done, as others have stated, use non acid fluxes for bigger stuff and flux cored solder for small things and also clean stuff first, steel wool and those fiberglass scratchy pens are both good.
 

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FWIw - while the SP60/40 I mentioned above are not temp controlled there are plenty of pencils that are - the Wellers I have seen have some thermostat in the tip (tips are larger than a normal cheap pencil tip). The average mechanic doesn't need temp controlling irons since you're not soldering boards or components - just wires. As mentioned stations are best for bench work. Never heard of wall lenko - looks interesting... kind of like a pencil in a pistol format... the Weller pistol fails because it's nothing like a pencil.
If you want to find out the best tool for a job ask a pro in the field - ask a networking guy what cable tester set to buy, as a mechanic what torque wrench to buy, ask someone in the electronics field what soldering iron to buy. A Landscaper (or mechanic, or carpenter, or chef...) may recommend (and use himself) a specific tool not in the realm of their field simply because thats what was readily available to them (off the tool truck for example) or because they see others in their field using it, not necessarily because it's the right tool or the best tool for the job.

What I want to convey is sometimes you need to go to the right source for certain information and certain forums and groups are going to give more relevant information on certain topics than others.
 

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I started a thread on here a couple months ago and through the many reccomendation of the board I got the Hakko fx888d.

Well holy s*** I went from a cheapy pencil iron and an old worn out weller gun to that and its more than a night and day difference. I cant even explain how much of a difference it has made in my soldering (I am by no means an expert).
 

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I started a thread on here a couple months ago and through the many reccomendation of the board I got the Hakko fx888d.

Well holy s*** I went from a cheapy pencil iron and an old worn out weller gun to that and its more than a night and day difference. I cant even explain how much of a difference it has made in my soldering (I am by no means an expert).
This is why we buy Japanese tools and cars and cameras and watches, they are the finest in the world! :beer:
 

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This is why we buy Japanese tools and cars and cameras and watches, they are the finest in the world! :beer:

What is this "this is we buy" japanese this and that? There isn't much of anything made over there that is the finest in the world. Actually, haven't seen anything superior over US or European made......

For a soldering gun (also sold in Sears as a Craftsman):

http://store.harryepstein.com/cp/Solder/LG400C.html
 

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If you want to find out the best tool for a job ask a pro in the field - ask a networking guy what cable tester set to buy, as a mechanic what torque wrench to buy, ask someone in the electronics field what soldering iron to buy. A Landscaper (or mechanic, or carpenter, or chef...) may recommend (and use himself) a specific tool not in the realm of their field simply because thats what was readily available to them (off the tool truck for example) or because they see others in their field using it, not necessarily because it's the right tool or the best tool for the job.

What I want to convey is sometimes you need to go to the right source for certain information and certain forums and groups are going to give more relevant information on certain topics than others.

But there are lots of electronics pros on here as well as mechanics. Did I miss where the OP knows enough to ask a specific question?
Maybe taking a guess and seeing what works and what doesn't and then ask for a better tool once they know what job they are doing.
 
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