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Right now I'm between vises after only having junkers at home and looking for a good bench vise. I kind of want one that needs some rehab because I've never had an older high quality vise, and would like a project. I want to spend under $100.00 but would rather spend $50.00. This will be just used for general garage work so it needs to be at least 4". Any ranking of best vises and what I should expect to pay for them?
 
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Problem is that thread is a monster. I was looking at something concise, that will say something like in your price range you can get a Columbian etc but a Chas Parker is out of your budget.
 
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For some reason I posted this in free parking when I wanted it in General tool and have already reported it to be moved. If anyone else wants to hit the report button go ahead.
 

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Prices and availability seem to vary a lot depending on which part of the country you're in, and naturally, shipping costs add up quickly due to the weight.

That said, you should be able to find a nice mid-sized (4" or so) American made vise for $50-$100. I'm partial to Reeds, but condition is more important than brand.

Parker, Columbian, Athol, Yost, all made pretty nice vises.

Parkers were commanding a big premium for a while, but prices seem to have fallen a lot.

Prices on Prentiss are still a bit higher than most of the others (except for Monarch and of course Wilton).

Steer clear of vises with exposed lead screws.. they're a lot more prone to pickup dust,chips, etc and are more easily damaged.

This thread has a lot of good info: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62716
 

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^^^ As he said, price is really going to vary based on where you live and if you happen to get lucky or not. It also depends on how much time you want to invest finding that "you ****" deal...

Garage Sales & Estate Sales typically yield the lowest prices, but just finding one with a quality vise could be a challenge in itself (again depending on what part of the country / world you live in).

Craigslist and other online classified ads are also good, search surrounding areas too, it might be a bit of a drive but it will still be cheaper and better than something new.

Local auctions can yield some good stuff, but prices can be driven up depending on how many people attend and what everything thinks things are worth...

Finally you can resort to eBay... you might pay more but if you can't find anything local then it's your best option for the most variety.

4" vises are a dime a dozen and typically stay in the $100 +/- range, but you also have to pay attention to shipping. If you are lucky you can get a 4" shipped for about $100... Once you step up to 4.5" and higher shipping starts to cost $$$ because the weight & size really starts to increase.

Some brands to search for: Reed, Athol, Starrett, Parker, Prentiss, Columbian, Hollands, Yost, Rock Island, Ridgid, Ridge Tool, Desmond Stephans, Morgan, Record, Wilton, Monarch (technically a Prentiss brand), Craftsman... There are more but these are the majority...

If you are looking on eBay, these are probably what you will see the most of:

Reed's & Athol's (also labeled as Starrett's) are great heavy duty vises, if you are going to beat on stuff a lot then these are the ones you want. Athol / Starrett is typically a premium price on eBay (and even elsewhere because when people see Starrett they think precision instruments).

Prentiss is also a good heavy duty vise, typically older in age you need to check them over carefully to make sure there aren't any cracks or repairs (as you should do with all vises). Monarch was the "budget" line of the Prentiss', typically a little lighter in weight but still very nice vises.

Many old vises tend to have a split down the middle of the slide because people use that surface for an anvil (which it's not) and eventually something bad happens.

Parker's have a high arch in the jaws usually, which gives them a deeper throat to hold stuff. They too are pretty solid, but you don't want to go all crazy on them like you would a Reed or Athol. Parker's also tend to fetch a higher price...

Columbian's are great vises, usually cheaper in price. They have hollow castings so they weigh less than other brands for a given physical size. The metal they use though is particularly malleable as I've seen some beaten to death and it only mushrooms whereas others probably would have cracked under the same circumstances. They are still made in the USA.

Yost is also still making vises in the USA. You can find modern ones on eBay and local listings for good prices. They tend to have deep throats too similar to the Parker's.

I'm getting tired typing, someone else take over... lol...
 
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You'd be better off looking around to see what's available, rather than setting your sights on 1 particular brand, Most any older USA made vise should be fine for what you want, better off worrying about condition than brand. Inspect very closely for cracks, welds, or any other problems. Might want to give up your top secret location, maybe there is a member nearby who could help you out.
Good luck, Jim
 
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No secret location, I thought it was in there. Probably not much help, I do hit the Daytona Flea market regularly.
 

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Remember, you're only buying a vise, not getting married. If a better one comes along later, you really need two or three. If you buy right, it will be worth more later if you decide to sell.

jack vines
 

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If you check eBay, I see quite a few old vises pop up in Florida from time to time. Usually listings for "BIG" vises are pickup only, but even the smaller ones can save you a considerable sum in shipping costs if you pick them up. Also I find the sellers usually have other neat stuff so bring extra cash!!!
 

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I have a couple big rock island vises, those things are beasts. I have a prentiss and an old Wilton too, all high quality pieces. I would recommend any of them.
 

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I have a really old Prentiss Bull Dog. I think I saw one like mine on Ebay go for about $100. Of course there is shipping. This is not a really big type of vise. A little lighter but definitely heavy duty.

I do want another large type vise someday. Somebody stole my Wilton.
 

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Up here in Western New York there seems to be plenty of bench vises for sale on CL and estate sales. I tend to buy more vises every year to replace the ones I bought last year.Auto swap meets are another place to find vises.
 

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No secret location, I thought it was in there. Probably not much help, I do hit the Daytona Flea market regularly.


There is a light duty Colombian on cl right now for 60.00 and a killer simplex for 75.00 near Orlando (long wood). That thing is worth the drive considering its condition.

They are of extremely good quality and one of the unsung heros in the vise world. Don't believe me?, check out EOCJasons pictures. I think he has a few of them, unless they are Ridgid vises.

I own a couple of Simplex vises and they can't be beat, especially at that price.
 
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They are of extremely good quality and one of the unsung heros in the vise world. Don't believe me?, check out EOCJasons pictures. I think he has a few of them, unless they are Ridgid vises.

I own a couple of Simplex vises and they can't be beat, especially at that price.

I had a Desmond Stephan Co. 43P simplex but reluctantly sold it. Nothing wrong with it, great vise, and yes very solid... It was made in 1940. Just trying to make some room for vises that I *really* want. Yes, Ridgid bought the simplex line, more or less they are the same. I have a Ridgid 43P that is my "small" go-to vise (my "large" go-to vise is my Reed 4C).
 
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X1 Mike,

Allow me to extrapolate on eocjasons earlier post about particular vise brands.

Athol's (Starrett) vises are extremely bottom heavy in relation to jaw width. An average 4" vise, fixed base is almost 80 lbs. exceptionally well made and I've yet to see a broken one. They are fairly common and usually priced below their worth, IMO, which is fine by me:beer:

Reeds are the steroid taking ogres of the vises family. They are absolute crushers, over engineered in every possible way and can take a beating. They were a favorite in train yards and docks across the land. I use a 2C at work every day and it never fails to perform. They are one of 2 vise companies that actually have a tension adjustment on the rear nut to remove slack.

Parkers are the A list models of the bunch. They look great, perform well and have legions of fans. Just dont use one or risk breaking it! Then you will have to find parts which are impossibly hard to find/afford due to their complex model numbering system and availability. They have a great jaw design, unique to only Parker which give you incredible clamping power and strength.

Prentiss vises are great vises, but not the stoutest out there, unless you get in to the 6"+ jaw sizes. There are quite sought after by collectors:)thumbup:) due to their details and styling but not one you would really want to bang on. They are usually quite old and it would be a waste to destroy a prime example when there are other great workhorses available to use. These are refined vises for the champagne drinking crowd.

Columbians are very common and are usually have the highest dollar to performance ratio. A little on the light side, they are still American made and hold up well.

Wilton's are another great vise but are hard to touch for under 150.00. Still being made in e USA, bigger models can retail north of 2000.00 for a big one. They have a design that is distinguishable from across the room and it's all function. The closed bullet shape keeps the screw clear of dust and grit that might get inside your vise. Another excellent product.

Rock islands are similar to reeds in the stoutness category. Built like tanks, they won't let you down. The jaws close down like 2 metal fists punching whatever is held between them.
 

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Remember, you're only buying a vise, not getting married. If a better one comes along later, you really need two or three. If you buy right, it will be worth more later if you decide to sell.

jack vines

Are you mad?

What if my wife reads this... two or three? How am I going to hide the other 10?
 
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There is a light duty Colombian on cl right now for 60.00 and a killer simplex for 75.00 near Orlando (long wood). That thing is worth the drive considering its condition.

They are of extremely good quality and one of the unsung heros in the vise world. Don't believe me?, check out EOCJasons pictures. I think he has a few of them, unless they are Ridgid vises.

I own a couple of Simplex vises and they can't be beat, especially at that price.


First off I want to thank everyone for the great info. :bowdown:


Next I saw both of those vises and have been considering them the Columbia is real close but that Simplex looks pretty burly.

If anyone wants to weigh in on them here they are. I'm curious which one you would get even counting the drive in and how much would you offer for either and are they worth the asking price?

$60 Columbia less than 10 minute drive.

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$75 Simplex a bit more than an hour and $25 in gas away.

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Here is my .02 cents. I have both style vises. My Columbian is a D44. That one is a D45. I paid 40 for mine, in much better shape. These are workshop vises, medium duty. The Desmond is a machinest vise. It appears to be in decent shape. It will be an easy clean up. Maybe a clearcoat, raw look. 60 would be a good deal, if no cracks and smooth operation. You have to decide how bad you need it, possible wait for the next one to come up. As mentioned above, Reed, Rock Island, Columbian machinest vises are always winners.
 

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That simplex is worth $100 assuming it has no cracks or chips. Looks in pretty good shape and nice patina. I would still try talking him down though... "Well, I drove over an hour..." :)
 

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Simplex as well. This is a tool that will out live you if it's taken care of. It also looks to be in better shape. I've passed on those Columbians at flea markets for less than $25. A very common vise in my area. A simplex not to so much. Also consider sites like this with a vise thread pushing 1.6 million hits will only help add to the value of that rarer Simplex.
 
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Go ask your nearest recycler if you can look for any vices that he may have had come in!
I just came from mine, and a quick trip to check on a vise (bought a solid 5" Chinese vise for $25) turned into two hours of looking at all the cool stuff he's brought in. LOTS of various stock for machining projects, table saws, old riding mowers, various old RR hammer and axe heads, etc., etc., etc.
 
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I think you guys have settled it for me. I have the day off so I'm going to try to get the Simplex tomorrow. Think I would piss him off by offering $50.00?

With any luck I will be posting up pictures on my bench!!!! :thumbup:
 

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I think you guys have settled it for me. I have the day off so I'm going to try to get the Simplex tomorrow. Think I would piss him off by offering $50.00?

With any luck I will be posting up pictures on my bench!!!! :thumbup:

Never hurts to try... Worst thing is he could be firm on his price.
 

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First off I want to thank everyone for the great info. :bowdown:


Next I saw both of those vises and have been considering them the Columbia is real close but that Simplex looks pretty burly.

If anyone wants to weigh in on them here they are. I'm curious which one you would get even counting the drive in and how much would you offer for either and are they worth the asking price?

$60 Columbia less than 10 minute drive.

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$75 Simplex a bit more than an hour and $25 in gas away.

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Your welcome. Enjoy the Simplex. You know you will take it home at any price so stop stalling and go get it already:lol:
 

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sorry for my short answer earlier, but on the run. the Simplex is far better vise than that version of a Columbian you had a couple pictures of.

only issue i'd have with the simplex if it checks out and doesn't have any cracks or welds is that it might be too small. in any case it's a great vise and even if its on the small side you can't go to far wrong at that price and just find a big one for the other end of the bench or on a stand down the road if you need one and you'll still use this one for 50 years.

good luck and I hope it's still there. when you guys post Craigs ads before you buy them you are letting the world know about them and not all guys looking at these threads are members.
 

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The Simplex is a 41S (S as in Swivel, not the number 5 like he has in the CL ad).

It's 4-1/4" jaws and weighs 46lbs.. Not too shabby at all...
 

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Thanks for the chart, some of you guys know your vises!!!

So do I just clean it and use it or restore it to new and paint it? If paint what color, did those vises come in any specific color?
 

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The Simplex is a 41S (S as in Swivel, not the number 5 like he has in the CL ad).

It's 4-1/4" jaws and weighs 46lbs.. Not too shabby at all...

I concur. A 46#'er is pretty stout IMO for a home garage. As much as I love (and own) a few 100+ #'ers they were all bought way under the $1 per # rule except for my dad's 6" Rock Island which was bought used at an auction about 40 years ago for probably .10cents a #.

I always find myself gravitated to vises. I think it stems from being a kid at my pop's bodyshop and crushing soda cans with my brother in the aforementioned Rock Island while my dad was appointed to watch us while my mom had a "me day" (aka: a break from two awnry a$$ sons) with her sisters. With that said, unless a big boy is going for next to nothing I would never need to buy one strictly because it was a 150# monster willing to tackle the light duty automotive work I'd throw at it. To me it's overkill, but still cool overkill:evil:.

Basically, that 4 1/2" Simplex should be more than adequate to do what you throw at it.
 

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Honestly, that one looks like it has a very nice natural patina on it. Once you have it in-hand you can make a better determination. If it's a nice as the pictures make it out to be, I would just take it apart to clean out all the gunk, wipe it all down with oil, re-grease the mainscrew and front area, and use it like that.

The only catch is with those screws that hold in the jaws. Hopefully you won't need to remove them, but just a FYI. They are a different angle head than what is available today. I made some for mine but it took some effort. Here's the thread and some pictures..

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=172545

You can also find the age by looking on the bottom of the vise. Each part should be stamped with a month-year and also a separate number (to keep the same parts together during manufacturing). Attached are some pics.
 

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Two days late in here but:

Another vote for the Simplex:

Paint: Most that age are usually Flat or satin black originally, but whatever floats your boat works well. you can ALWAYS repaint later...

A bit more info on the "everything you wanted to know" thread:


I see more classes:

Machinest: see your Simplsx: solid cast machined dynamic jaw and slide. - Top of the line

Mechanics/Shop:

A slide made from an inverted "U" channel, and either pressed or cast into the dynamic jaw. Decent vises, more prone to breakage not available in the really big sizes generally

Home owners vises: Generally an exposed screw, the slide is cast, either pressed or cast in as a separate pieces, once in a blue moon cat in one piece. generally under 15 lbs often under 10... Light duty, these are often seen with the slide busted out of the jaw...

Asian Vises: Commonly seen with Chrome plated handle swivel lock and even the head of the main screw. super lightweight for their size, (I see 5 & 6" version all the time) often made to simulate the full up machinist vises, are in fact not as strong as a shop vies, and some homeowners vises can give them a run for their money...

Another Asian vise is the rotating swivel head, Same chrome job as above. Two sets of jaws; the whole head rotates axially and they lock on an angle as you tighten the vise on the part. Pipe jaws and Vee jaws on one side, regular jaws 180 degrees from those. They also usually have a thick coating of bondo/filler under the paint job to cover the horribly bad castings.

Both Asian jobs are often advertised on CL as "Great old heavy duty vise!": and they want more than you can buy them for new at HF or any other major import supplier.

IMO none of the Asian vises are worth more than $20, and only then if you are desperate. I'll never be that desperate, so...
 

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I agree with Jason on the patina (color) of that vise if you get it because it does look great. follow Jason's instructions for a little maintenance and you should be good to go for many years to come.

one trick I have learned is if you are cutting wood or metal or plastic while it's in the vise maybe throw a rag on the slide under the project so the shavings don't work their way into the screw area.

good luck and I hope its still there
 
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