Screwdriver Decision Fatigue

[F-22]

The 8 piece red Megadora Tang Thru set fits what I'm looking for but at $85, it's quite a bit almost hitting PB Swiss prices. There's the standard 6 piece blue Megadora for $50 but no strike cap for flatheads so idk how they'll hold up under abuse.

5-8$ per screwdriver here, but I don't know how much they charge you the shipping. I usually combine it with other stuff (since Japan tools are so high quality and cheap there).

Personally I'd skip the Megadora soft handles and get these. These are super high quality, and equal or cheaper prices cause they are far less known than the Megadora line. -5.5x75 especially is super useful to have with you always, the strongest small screwdriver I ever held.

And then these are half the price of the impact rated screwdrivers, so about 2-5$ per piece! They are also very high quality and very beautiful (blue or red hue for flathead or phillips heads inside a very clear handle).

 

[AEAdam]

Jeez, bad answers in my opinion. Did you guys read the OP? The answer is KLEIN. US made, US spec tips, cheap, readily available, comfortable, good enough for the sort of work the OP has in mind. Lose or break one, easily replaced. Easy to spin.

Really recommend their 5in1. Do NOT recommend 11in1 (from any maker).

OP you don’t need the torque some of these handles are designed for. Or the fluid compatibility. You do need straight tips built to US specs and REAL Phillips tips.

Like to see a comparison of the handle size of the Japanese screwdrivers. And you need to know what tip geometries you are getting. If you aren’t sure what you need, your OP sounds like US spec stuff.

If you need “around the house“ screwdrivers, Klein is the correct default answer. If you wanted automotive screwdrivers, I would probably default to Williams unless the autos were asian.

 

[Tynee]

If you need “around the house“ screwdrivers, Klein is the correct default answer. If you wanted automotive screwdrivers, I would probably default to Williams unless the autos were asian.

For some reason I thought I read in the first post that he had tried Klein and didn't like them. Re-reading now, I was mistaken, he just named them as an option. With that revelation, Klein is hard to argue with. Something like this set from HD would serve the OP well for many years.

 

[Samuel D]

Hang on. What kind of furniture are we talking about? If you’re assembling anything from IKEA, get a Pozidriv #2 (often labelled PZ2). Accept no substitutes.

 

[BrandonV]

Jeez, bad answers in my opinion. Did you guys read the OP? The answer is KLEIN. US made, US spec tips, cheap, readily available, comfortable, good enough for the sort of work the OP has in mind. Lose or break one, easily replaced. Easy to spin.

Really recommend their 5in1. Do NOT recommend 11in1 (from any maker).

OP you don’t need the torque some of these handles are designed for. Or the fluid compatibility. You do need straight tips built to US specs and REAL Phillips tips.

Like to see a comparison of the handle size of the Japanese screwdrivers. And you need to know what tip geometries you are getting. If you aren’t sure what you need, your OP sounds like US spec stuff.

If you need “around the house“ screwdrivers, Klein is the correct default answer. If you wanted automotive screwdrivers, I would probably default to Williams unless the autos were asian.

Yes!

I never touch European or Asian market slotted screwdrivers for this exact reason. Buy all the Philips & Pozidriv sets but stick to sets intended for the US market for slotted!

 

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[garageuser]

Jeez, bad answers in my opinion. Did you guys read the OP? The answer is KLEIN. US made, US spec tips, cheap, readily available, comfortable, good enough for the sort of work the OP has in mind. Lose or break one, easily replaced. Easy to spin.

Really recommend their 5in1. Do NOT recommend 11in1 (from any maker).

OP you don’t need the torque some of these handles are designed for. Or the fluid compatibility. You do need straight tips built to US specs and REAL Phillips tips.

Like to see a comparison of the handle size of the Japanese screwdrivers. And you need to know what tip geometries you are getting. If you aren’t sure what you need, your OP sounds like US spec stuff.

If you need “around the house“ screwdrivers, Klein is the correct default answer. If you wanted automotive screwdrivers, I would probably default to Williams unless the autos were asian.

I briefly mentioned I don't particular like the Klein handle style although I've only tested in stores. It just feels too big, bulky and tacky rubbery esp the fins. Might be worth trying again with a cheap set

I read about US vs metric flatheads which is why I'm leaning towards US for flathead. Is there a difference between US and non US for Phillips outside of Vessel JIS? Aren't PB Swiss drivers "REAL Phillips tips"?

Hang on. What kind of furniture are we talking about? If you’re assembling anything from IKEA, get a Pozidriv #2 (often labelled PZ2). Accept no substitutes.

Yup, mostly Ikea and just bought some pz bits for my Megapro!

 

[Fatboyslim95]

Vessel. Almost everything else I have has been retired or downgraded to junk duty.

What vessel style do you all prefer? Trying to decide if I want the regular megadora or the version with a striking cap or something else from them.

 

[Dave455]

Thanks for all the responses!

Are people recommending Vessel for phillips/jis or flathead or both? The 8 piece red Megadora Tang Thru set fits what I'm looking for but at $85, it's quite a bit almost hitting PB Swiss prices. There's the standard 6 piece blue Megadora for $50 but no strike cap for flatheads so idk how they'll hold up under abuse. The blue single drivers are reasonably priced so I could go with just phillips #1 and #2 and get a different set or brand for flatheads. Too bad the Vessel red single drivers are so much more

Wiha also has demo version of their screwdrivers, similar to Vessel prices. They did better in the Project Farm test than Vessel but I feel like people rave about the Vessel tip fit way more than Wiha.




Interesting comments about Swissgrip. I was going with that since all my other tools are soft grip and I like those feel but it would be difficult for non clean environments, as evident by my old megapro covered in paint and scratches.

Williams is pretty nice and I like the handle hex bosters but also wish they had some striking cap ones. I'm 50/50 on the handle shape though.






Excellent point. Buying from Lowes, HD or HF would also make it easier to return/exchange if they break or I just don't like the feel.





I have a lot of torx for wood and robertson for kreg pocket screws but I've never needed either bit as a screw driver. Always used them with drills or impact drivers. But if I'm installing a ceiling fan and screwing down the cover, I'm not going to be blasting it with my impact.







Great ideas as well. I could get a nice overall set then supplement with a cheap set of demo drives. I think these are what you're referring to? Doyle Demo Screwdrivers 2 piece

I was advising Vessel for Phillips.

The flat tips are metric sizes, which wasn’t what you wanted, although they are excellent drivers.

I have a couple of the Vessel Phillips with the striking caps. I must admit I got them because of the red colour - I use predominantly Pozidriv and in my world blue is always Pozi.

They are undoubtedly good tools, but I find the versions without the striking caps much nicer to use. They are better balanced. Obviously, if you think you might have to strike them, you need the striking caps.

Just getting Vessel Phillips isn’t a bad plan. Try them and see if you like them.

Having both, I think the Vessel “jawsfit” tip on the Megadora is a slightly better fit than the Wiha, but the Wiha are decent too.

I’m not convinced about the need for these “demo” screwdrivers. If you need a chisel, use one. If you need a screwdriver size chisel, the Vessel make those as well - the tool on the far right in this picture.


Note the comments about Pozidriv though. I see a lot of comments on this forum about badly fitting Phillips drivers, and I’m pretty certain some of them are being used on Pozidriv’s!

 

[KnurledNut]

@garageuser
I wouldnt recommend thru tang for general use.
They can be heavy and unbalanced.
Nothing like dropping one on a tile or hardwood floor when you're trying to tighten a door knob.
Also wouldnt use them for electrical repair even if the power is de-energized.

A single beater flat head can be handy.

 

[MarvinBerry]

Geez we really are completely over thinking this...

If you need a chisel buy a set for $20 and if you need pry bars get a proper bar. The USA made at wallyworld are like 10 bucks.

For a basic set the $22 Milwaukee pack at Depot is certainly good enough... I've had a set in my homeowner loaner chest for years and they're kinda first thing I grab for general use.

When bLowes got Wiha last year & clearance 6 months later I bought 2 sets & really don't like em very much. Mostly the handles there & metric flat head tips. They're now my beaters!

Actually... in my electronic/clean box I put the old USA acetate drivers back in because they tend to fit things better.

Endof the day you'll wind up with a few different sets so might as well buy something and find the next thing to worry about.

 

[4xdog]

What vessel style do you all prefer? Trying to decide if I want the regular megadora or the version with a striking cap or something else from them.

Good question. I definitely like the Megadora series in general best of all Vessel drivers. I alternate between the 900-series (knurled shaft, non-striking, light) and the 930-series (hex-bolstered shaft, striking cap, heavier). I can't say one's better than the other -- just different.

For someone just starting with Vessel, I'd suggest getting one of the 900-series non-striking sets and going from there.

With no real logic around my choices, I'll often use "blue" 900-series Vessels around the house and "red" 930-series Vessels on my vehicles. But that's just habit -- not rational thought.

I probably reach for a Toyota-branded Vessel 930-series when working on the Toyotas or Lexus around here, maybe subconciously hoping for good joss.

In the past time there were "smooth" tipped cross-point JIS drivers, before Vessel introduced their JawsFit toothed design. I have 900 and 930s in both tips and I'll sometimes choose smooth when I don't want to risk marring a highly visible or decorative fastener. Nowadays I think everything is JawsFit, so chosing smooth or toothed isn't really an option any longer. That said, the JawsFit is fairly subtle but seems to work quite well to hold a cross-point fastener.

 

[Pinemarten]

The Anex 397 is a great screwdriver for around $20 on Amazon. I prefer the ratchet switch to the Vessel equivalent.
Like most Japanese screwdrivers, the handle shape echos back to American/English screwdrivers from the 1800's.

 

[BrandonV]

Honestly this set is okay if you're not doing heavy duty work.

Lifetime warranty.

 

[AEAdam]

I briefly mentioned I don't particular like the Klein handle style although I've only tested in stores. It just feels too big, bulky and tacky rubbery esp the fins. Might be worth trying again with a cheap set

I don't want you to buy a screwdriver you don't like. I also don't want to be critical. But you probably didn't "test"' screwdrivers in stores. In my experience, people pick up screwdrivers like they are tennis racquets. I see people do that in the home centers. That's not how you use a screwdriver. I would give them a fair chance before you talk yourself out of them.

That said, if you have your heart set on euro drivers, go for it! We'll support whatever decision you make here on GJ unless its Snap On then we'll call you names from then on. Good luck!
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[Boogerman]

Wow, no wonder HF has whole aisle of drivers. Can't believe you guys put this much thought into screwdrivers. They're inexpensive and more or less consumables; buying them should be a quick, non-painful decision like buying toilet paper. Just look at it, don't buy the cheap one, see if it seems to be comfortable, and go pay for it. If it doesn't work out what you like, pick up a different pack next time go to store.
Warranty is non-issue, why would you warranty if it failed prematurely, and if you used it up with reasonable life as a consumable, just go buy another. This isn't a lifetime investment, just a consumable like sandpaper and drill bits and taps. Unless you buy a truck brand, where you're buying (and paying for) a lifetime subscription.

Just look at the tool when deciding:

No factors: Does it have cheap, shiny chrome shaft. Does shank look like tumble polished wire stock that was pressed. Does it have molded lines in handles. Does it have some exotic gimmicky shape handle. Are tips pressed/forged instead of machined. Does it have cheap plastic handles like old Craftsman, that deteriorate and smell. Made in China

Yes factors: Machined tips. Shanks look to be machined/ground/finished instead of just pressed wire stock. Density of handles; Snap-on and Williams weight 1.5 times what the clones do. Made in USA or Europe. On flat tips, less taper or hollow ground. ACR ribs or bead blasting on phillips. Look at phillips shape and how sharp the corners are. How do the handles feel to YOUR hands.

Three I like best are Snap-on/Williams hard handle, Klein, and old SK. MAC, Proto, Matco, old yellow/black Stanley get honorable mention. Old Vermont American and Enderes and VACO were good also. Haven't seen newer ones, may not be available. I have bunch of Wiha, they're okay.

 

[BrandonV]

Hey the most important thing?

Having fifty different sets of screwdrivers and then grabbing this one 99.9% of the time.

 

[Bubba Fett]

Standalone Drivers:
Vessel - very well machined, very comfortable handles.
The Germans: Wera, Wiha, Felo all make good drivers.
Klein - There is a reason electricians like these. Grip allows for speed and torque.
Williams Hard Handle - Same as Snap-On, for a fraction of the price. Great for high torque.
Tekton - Great drivers for the money, good warranty.

Facom also make good ones, but they are pricey. The recent Craftsman V-Series are the based on these.
Mayhew has a new line, and also makes the new Channellock and Wright screwdrivers.

Multibit Drivers:
Megapro - The best there is, IMO.
Klein - Lots of options (bit sets, nut drivers, etc.)
Picquic - Great pocket drivers.

My advice: Buy a #2 or a multi-bit from brands you might be interested in. That way, you can compare and make a decision on a set.

 

[M6erfan]

I'm looking to get a new set of screwdrivers and am having trouble deciding. The problem isn't that I don't know the options but that there are so many different options I've researched that I don't know which one to go with so I end up thinking in circles. Already read all about Wiha, Wera, Williams, PB Swiss, Vessel, Milwaukee (China and US), Klein, Proto.. lots of Project Farm videos...

Hoping someone can add some experience pointers or suggestions so I can pick one and call it a day. Essentially devote time and energy into using them instead of just researching and window shopping.

I'm a DIY and handyman around the house who does not work on cars, motorcycles or industrial equipment. The drivers will mostly used for assembling furniture, removing and installing household fixtures (lights, fans, switches...), consumer electronics, construction (electrical, plumbing, hose clamps, etc) and general household use.

I'm in the US so European/Japanese flat head design might not be best fit. I love my Megapro ratchet because most of the time I'm installing or removing screws at an awkward angle where ratcheting is super helpful. I'm looking for a non ratchet set for backup when the ratchet shaft is too thick or need more precise control. I do not like the feel of Wera or Klein handles.

I was initially picking a cheap set since I use my ratchet most of the time anyways. Then the more I read about PB Swiss the more I want to just buy them to splurge and enjoy (YOLO). Then I go back into thinking that I don't want screwdrivers so nice and expensive I'd be afraid of abusing or losing them which brings me back to square one and a cheap set.

Right now, I'm leaning towards a set of PB Swiss Phillips and HF Doyle Heavy Duty for flatheads. Seems kind of strange to buy both ends of the spectrum. My thinking is for philips, fit is the most important and people rave that PB Swiss has the best. For flathead, I hardly ever use it for actual screws with most usage as an utility tool like pry bar, scraper, poker, chisel, etc. For this, no need for fancy PB Swiss so cheap, durable and heavy duty with strike cap seems the best fit. I know Vessel and Wiha have some nice strike cap drivers but for that use, are they worth the money over HF?

In the US, homeowner stuff, no automotive, want high quality. Does that about sum it up? Sooo, make your own custom set . . .

#1 Robertson, insulated
#2 phillips
#1 Phillips
1/4" cabinet tip (outlet/switch covers)
5/16" - 3/8" tang through to beat on

Klein makes good screwdrivers, but I'm not a fan of their handles either. Handle preference is subjective, no-one here can help you with that.

GL!

 

[garageuser]

5-8$ per screwdriver here, but I don't know how much they charge you the shipping. I usually combine it with other stuff (since Japan tools are so high quality and cheap there).

Personally I'd skip the Megadora soft handles and get these. These are super high quality, and equal or cheaper prices cause they are far less known than the Megadora line. -5.5x75 especially is super useful to have with you always, the strongest small screwdriver I ever held.

And then these are half the price of the impact rated screwdrivers, so about 2-5$ per piece! They are also very high quality and very beautiful (blue or red hue for flathead or phillips heads inside a very clear handle).

Shipping is $30 but will check out to see I can make up the difference

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They are undoubtedly good tools, but I find the versions without the striking caps much nicer to use. They are better balanced. Obviously, if you think you might have to strike them, you need the striking caps.


I’m not convinced about the need for these “demo” screwdrivers. If you need a chisel, use one. If you need a screwdriver size chisel, the Vessel make those as well - the tool on the far right in this picture.

@garageuser
I wouldnt recommend thru tang for general use.
They can be heavy and unbalanced.
Nothing like dropping one on a tile or hardwood floor when you're trying to tighten a door knob.
Also wouldnt use them for electrical repair even if the power is de-energized.

A single beater flat head can be handy.

That's an excellent point that I didn't think of and will reconsider. I'm always dropping stuff off of ladders and could 10000% see myself dropping a strike cap driver and shattering something underneath.

I don't want you to buy a screwdriver you don't like. I also don't want to be critical. But you probably didn't "test"' screwdrivers in stores. In my experience, people pick up screwdrivers like they are tennis racquets. I see people do that in the home centers. That's not how you use a screwdriver. I would give them a fair chance before you talk yourself out of them.

That said, if you have your heart set on euro drivers, go for it! We'll support whatever decision you make here on GJ unless its Snap On then we'll call you names from then on. Good luck!
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(it was a JOKE!)

Good call. The newer packages for Kleins don't even have the handle exposed so you can't even test the texture if you wanted to.

Geez we really are completely over thinking this...

If you need a chisel buy a set for $20 and if you need pry bars get a proper bar. The USA made at wallyworld are like 10 bucks.

For a basic set the $22 Milwaukee pack at Depot is certainly good enough... I've had a set in my homeowner loaner chest for years and they're kinda first thing I grab for general use.

When bLowes got Wiha last year & clearance 6 months later I bought 2 sets & really don't like em very much. Mostly the handles there & metric flat head tips. They're now my beaters!

Actually... in my electronic/clean box I put the old USA acetate drivers back in because they tend to fit things better.

Endof the day you'll wind up with a few different sets so might as well buy something and find the next thing to worry about.

Yes, I'm def overthinking this. Paradox of choice right? Besides, everyone loves to talk tools and nitpick the most niche of niche differences between items that most people wouldn't even notice. It's why we're all here right?

But excellent advice that this won't be the last set so no point in putting so much pressure on the best choice right now cause there's always more to buy.

Wow, no wonder HF has whole aisle of drivers. Can't believe you guys put this much thought into screwdrivers. They're inexpensive and more or less consumables; buying them should be a quick, non-painful decision like buying toilet paper. Just look at it, don't buy the cheap one, see if it seems to be comfortable, and go pay for it. If it doesn't work out what you like, pick up a different pack next time go to store.
Warranty is non-issue, why would you warranty if it failed prematurely, and if you used it up with reasonable life as a consumable, just go buy another. This isn't a lifetime investment, just a consumable like sandpaper and drill bits and taps. Unless you buy a truck brand, where you're buying (and paying for) a lifetime subscription.

Just look at the tool when deciding:

No factors: Does it have cheap, shiny chrome shaft. Does shank look like tumble polished wire stock that was pressed. Does it have molded lines in handles. Does it have some exotic gimmicky shape handle. Are tips pressed/forged instead of machined. Does it have cheap plastic handles like old Craftsman, that deteriorate and smell. Made in China

Yes factors: Machined tips. Shanks look to be machined/ground/finished instead of just pressed wire stock. Density of handles; Snap-on and Williams weight 1.5 times what the clones do. Made in USA or Europe. On flat tips, less taper or hollow ground. ACR ribs or bead blasting on phillips. Look at phillips shape and how sharp the corners are. How do the handles feel to YOUR hands.

Three I like best are Snap-on/Williams hard handle, Klein, and old SK. MAC, Proto, Matco, old yellow/black Stanley get honorable mention. Old Vermont American and Enderes and VACO were good also. Haven't seen newer ones, may not be available. I have bunch of Wiha, they're okay.

I feel like this is a contradicting comment where you poke fun of over thinking and talk quick decisions yet have two large paragraphs describing all the minor intricate details that needs to go into said decision.

 

[garageuser]

In the US, homeowner stuff, no automotive, want high quality. Does that about sum it up? Sooo, make your own custom set . . .

#1 Robertson, insulated
#2 phillips
#1 Phillips
1/4" cabinet tip (outlet/switch covers)
5/16" - 3/8" tang through to beat on

Klein makes good screwdrivers, but I'm not a fan of their handles either. Handle preference is subjective, no-one here can help you with that.

GL!

What’s the insulated Robertson for?

 

[M6erfan]

What’s the insulated Robertson for?

Basic electrical work like replacing outlets or switches. Best tool for the job IMO.

 

[garageuser]

Basic electrical work like replacing outlets or switches. Best tool for the job IMO.

Ah ok. I use Milwaukee’s ECX bit. Other brands have their own combo or plusminus bit names. I find those fits better.

 

[M6erfan]

Ah ok. I use Milwaukee’s ECX bit. Other brands have their own combo or plusminus bit names. I find those fits better.

I have the Milwaukee ECX, frankly I find it to cam out too often so I went to Robertson. Much better. Wiha makes a 'block driver' which is similar to, but different than ECX. I've never tried it though.

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[M6erfan]

Here's another option for Philips/JIS. I have a similar set, Sunflag makes good screwdrivers . . .

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BG9QR6J2/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[Snaparxon]

Don't by screwdrivers with handles that look like a *****

 

[garageuser]

Don't by screwdrivers with handles that look like a *****

On the contrary, it's dual purpose and two in one savings!

 

[garageuser]

The Anex 397 is a great screwdriver for around $20 on Amazon. I prefer the ratchet switch to the Vessel equivalent.
Like most Japanese screwdrivers, the handle shape echos back to American/English screwdrivers from the 1800's.

Here's another option for Philips/JIS. I have a similar set, Sunflag makes good screwdrivers . . .

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BG9QR6J2/?tag=atomicindus08-20

I tried out the Vessel ball grip multi bit ratchet which is the same shape and it's very interesting. In my limited use, I feel like they're great for low torque, high rpm, precise applications like electronics and machine screws but bad at high torque use like DIY and construction. Def worth specialized use.

 

[AJHD]

What the hell actually uses Pozidriv fasteners? I don't think I've ever seen or needed a Pozidriv driver but they're included in every bit set and lots of screwdriver sets too.

 

[Bubba Fett]

What the hell actually uses Pozidriv fasteners? I don't think I've ever seen or needed a Pozidriv driver but they're included in every bit set and lots of screwdriver sets too.

Europeans, Ikea assemblers, and cabinet installers.

 

[ChevyEFI]

I would say the Toptul GFE-1101 but their distribution here still lacks. Handles are great rubberized over hard material.

Garant line from Hoffman Group USA has PB Swiss in their colours. I got ph 00-3 and size 2 - 8? straight bit and the Swissgrip is nice too. PB seems to offer a nice broad reach of lengths overall of you want to add cabinet or stubby.

 

[Pexto]

What the hell actually uses Pozidriv fasteners? I don't think I've ever seen or needed a Pozidriv driver but they're included in every bit set and lots of screwdriver sets too.

Most ski bindings for 50 years have used #3 Pozidrive. A #3 Phillips sort of works if you grind the tip down a bit.

 

[BrandonV]

screwdrivers with handles that look like a *****

So no Beta screwdrivers?!?

What the hell actually uses Pozidriv fasteners? I don't think I've ever seen or needed a Pozidriv driver but they're included in every bit set and lots of screwdriver sets too.

Pozidriv? Lots of European things... and I've run into them on Ford trucks.

 

[Kuma601]

What screw heads are you coming into? I have a set of the Felo Egronics and the ones with strike cap that I like. They fit the Phillips fasteners around my house just right. The slotted screwdrivers I have maybe used the 1/4 size a handful of times with the rest untouched. Put those into the drawer of unused/abandoned stuff. For me I would buy the singles in the sizes needed if doing it again but sets are cheaper just that it adds to tool clutter. So Phillips, Pozidriv, Torx and square#1 for me.

The Vessel Megadora "jaws fit" is great too.

 

[Wyoming09]

Another +1 for Vessel.
Have the Megadora tang thru
Best set I;ve ever owned.

 

[PugetDude]

Only on the GJ- screwdriver selection paralysis by analysis.

 

[Ton ton]

I vote for Vessel.

 

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[Dave455]

What the hell actually uses Pozidriv fasteners? I don't think I've ever seen or needed a Pozidriv driver but they're included in every bit set and lots of screwdriver sets too.

They’re used pretty much everywhere in the U.K, and Europe.

So you will find them on British and European cars, and in fact anything using modern wood screws or machine screws from those countries (except aeroplanes).

I have seen Pozidriv screws in the U.S, but rarely a Pozidriv screwdriver (although Snap On offer them), hence my suspicion that some probably get mangled by the wrong tool when they do turn up!

The O.P. was discussing furniture, so will probably run into those crappy 1/4 turn pot metal fasteners beloved by Ikea, most of which have Pozi recesses.

As a matter of interest, when Pozidriv was first introduced, the licensing process required both screws and drivers to be made from quite high quality materials. This was part if the reason the design became so popular, as you were guaranteed a certain standard.

 

[AEAdam]

Hey the most important thing?

Having fifty different sets of screwdrivers and then grabbing this one 99.9% of the time.

I really like 5 in 1’s. Even hardware store Lutz or Enders. It’s a shame Stanley doesn’t make a decent set of screwdrivers. Or am I wrong? Only set I saw looked as cheap as HF. Does Stanley offer any decent screwdrivers?