screwed up, need advice

[jives]

The photo below tells the problem, but not all. This is my last circuit after two weeks of
coming home everyday and wiring up the garage. A 240V circuit, the farthest receptacle,
about 85' of wire in total. Was hot, tired, sweating like hog, and punctured the wire about 45'
away from the from panel, and about 40' from the receptacle.

Here are my options as I see it.
1. Re-do the whole thing. Not sure if I have about 80' of 10/2 Romex left. Would likely need
to by a new role.

2. Put in a junction box just to splice the wire. Is this feasible? Advisable?

3. Put in a new 240V receptacle right there, then continue on to the intended receptacle.
Keep in mind, though, that I have another 240V about 5 feet away on its own circuit.

4. Other?

 

[aircommuter]

I would put in another outlet there, about the same work as a junction box and may get used some day.

 

[sld961]

I agree with adding another receptacle. Or just put a JB and leave enough wire to put in a receptacle later if you decide you need one.

 

[Strouty]

Will you have enough wire to even install the new circuit? You may have to install two, and use a new piece of wire in between. Also what is the deal with the way you are running the wire? Looks like it is pulled really tight.

 

[pattenp]

If it was mine. I'd split open the outer sheath and if the conductor insulation isn't damaged exposing the copper I'd pull out the staple, tape up the outer sheath and keep on going.

 

[Thumper68]

If it was mine. I'd split open the outer sheath and if the conductor insulation isn't damaged exposing the copper I'd pull out the staple, tape up the outer sheath and keep on going.

^^^This you are allowed to tape up the outer shield if the inner shield is not damaged.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

If it was mine. I'd split open the outer sheath and if the conductor insulation isn't damaged exposing the copper I'd pull out the staple, tape up the outer sheath and keep on going.

Have done this before.

Get some orange tape.

 

[Norcal]

Have done this before.

Get some orange tape.

Agree on using orange tape, no sense on making a mistake stand out, assuming the conductors insulation is intact.

 

[jives]

Will you have enough wire to even install the new circuit? You may have to install two, and use a new piece of wire in between. Also what is the deal with the way you are running the wire? Looks like it is pulled really tight.

Good observation on the tight wire. It is not really. . .the wire got hung up a bit and trying to staple, I was off balance (wire run is 8' up on the wall and I was leaning out over the ladder), profusely sweating (about 95 deg here), tired, and well, this is what happens.

I think I'll pull the sheath back and see what we've got. If no good I'll put in a junction box.

Thanks all.

 

[Strouty]

You need to update and let us know what the inside looks like. Based on the staple placement I am betting against your luck (sorry).

 

[Strouty]

I almost forgot, just to make you feel better, one time I was adding a new 50 amp circuit, drilled 1" holes through the bottom cord of the trusses to run #6 romex and I was on a big step ladder. I decided to reach way out and drill just one more truss, as soon as the bit started to pull through the other side, all my lights went out. I ended up drilling through all of my three way wiring for three sets of lights, I felt pretty dumb, had I moved the ladder I would have seen the wires stapled to the backside of the truss. Live and learn.

 

[pentavolvo]

Yeah don't feel bad. At work I was drilling a hole to run some new wiring (all low voltage) and didn't feel like going and looking at backboard as wiring behind is usually loose. Well this spot they were strapped down to backboard etc and I ran drill right through a bundle of 10ga wires

 

[Tim C]

Yeah don't feel bad. At work I was drilling a hole to run some new wiring (all low voltage) and didn't feel like going and looking at backboard as wiring behind is usually loose. Well this spot they were strapped down to backboard etc and I ran drill right through a bundle of 10ga wires

Not household wiring related but I was sawzalling the fender openings larger on my dad's rock crawling bronco and cut through the main 1" wiring harness that feeds everything on the front clip. A friend was mounting a cb in a grand Cherokee and ran two 3" sheet metal screws into the 2" diameter main dash harness and managed to nick every wire but 4!

What they said above though, if it didn't touch the inner insulation tape it up, if it did I'd throw a junction box and rock on.

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[wyliesdiesels]

Agree on using orange tape, no sense on making a mistake stand out, assuming the conductors insulation is intact.

ive had to repair 10-2 NM-b (white colored) that a hack cut the outer jacket and conductor insulation off in one spot so he could use split bolts to tape into it for a 20a branch outlet bedroom circuit upstairs.

Mind u this was a 40a dedicated line for the roof package unit and they used the EGC for the neutral wire.

Owner didnt have money to replace it and 2 j boxes would have been worse(more failure points) than just taping up the conductors and then the jacket so thats what i did. Of course i made sure the conductors werent damaged or nicked and i informed the owner that it was their liability if something went wrong. They agreed and they havent had a problem since then. I turned the AC on and checked the taped area. It wasnt any hotter than the rest of the wire (it was in a second story attic).

 

[aircommuter]

Whatever you decide just stay within the code so your not on the hook someday.
http://www.thedailymeal.com/news/travel/valley-fire-caused-faulty-hot-tub-wiring/081216

 

[CJ7VFR]

If it was mine. I'd split open the outer sheath and if the conductor insulation isn't damaged exposing the copper I'd pull out the staple, tape up the outer sheath and keep on going.

This.

Since you said you might put in a J-box as your solution, that means you will have to cut the wire. If you are going to do that anyway, why not open the outer sheath and see if the staple actually damaged the insulation on the conductor?

You won't be out anything, and if you were lucky and didn't damage the insulation on the conductor you can just tape up the sheath and keep on going.

If I had done this, I would be too curious as to whether or not I actually damaged the inside wiring, and I would open up the sheath just to look!!

Jim

 

[jives]

Thanks, folks, for the encouragement, except for the story about the wildfire being caused by faulty wiring. . . .

Will get at it tomorrow. Pics will come.

 

[walrus]

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ive had to repair 10-2 NM-b (white colored) that a hack cut the outer jacket and conductor insulation off in one spot so he could use split bolts to tape into it for a 20a branch outlet bedroom circuit upstairs.

Mind u this was a 30a dedicated line for the roof package unit and they used the EGC for the neutral wire.

Owner didnt have money to replace it and 2 j boxes would have been worse(more failure points) than just taping up the conductors and then the jacket so thats what i did. Of course i made sure the conductors werent damaged or nicked and i informed the owner that it was their liability if something went wrong. They agreed and they havent had a problem since then. I turned the AC on and checked the taped area. It wasnt any hotter than the rest of the wire (it was in a second story attic).

You are a licensed electrician, you can tell them anything you want about liability but you and your insurance still own it.

 

[jives]

Okay, so here is the outcome. . . .bummer. . . looks like a junction box is in order.

 

[md21722]

Ahh, indeed. This is why breaks are a good idea. Sometimes you do better after sitting in a lawn chair to cool down.. work gets down slower but less errors.

 

[md21722]

You are a licensed electrician, you can tell them anything you want about liability but you and your insurance still own it.

Really?

 

[raddksn]

I almost forgot, just to make you feel better, one time I was adding a new 50 amp circuit, drilled 1" holes through the bottom cord of the trusses to run #6 romex and I was on a big step ladder. I decided to reach way out and drill just one more truss, as soon as the bit started to pull through the other side, all my lights went out. I ended up drilling through all of my three way wiring for three sets of lights, I felt pretty dumb, had I moved the ladder I would have seen the wires stapled to the backside of the truss. Live and learn.

been there done that!

 

[1Garageman]

Ahh, indeed. This is why breaks are a good idea. Sometimes you do better after sitting in a lawn chair to cool down.. work gets down slower but less errors.

Grab a cold beer on your break, and sit in the lawn chair to cool down!

 

[LS6 Tommy]

[/b]

ive had to repair 10-2 NM-b (white colored) that a hack cut the outer jacket and conductor insulation off in one spot so he could use split bolts to tape into it for a 20a branch outlet bedroom circuit upstairs.

Mind u this was a 30a dedicated line for the roof package unit and they used the EGC for the neutral wire.

Owner didnt have money to replace it and 2 j boxes would have been worse(more failure points) than just taping up the conductors and then the jacket so thats what i did. Of course i made sure the conductors werent damaged or nicked and i informed the owner that it was their liability if something went wrong. They agreed and they havent had a problem since then. I turned the AC on and checked the taped area. It wasnt any hotter than the rest of the wire (it was in a second story attic).

You are a licensed electrician, you can tell them anything you want about liability but you and your insurance still own it.

Really?

Wow. Three wrongs now make a right AND relieve liability...

Tommy

 

[mikegt4]

I almost forgot, just to make you feel better, one time I was adding a new 50 amp circuit, drilled 1" holes through the bottom cord of the trusses to run #6 romex and I was on a big step ladder. I decided to reach way out and drill just one more truss, as soon as the bit started to pull through the other side, all my lights went out. I ended up drilling through all of my three way wiring for three sets of lights, I felt pretty dumb, had I moved the ladder I would have seen the wires stapled to the backside of the truss. Live and learn.

You are drilling 1" holes (or ANY holes) through trusses!!!!!