Sealer install and other questions

[Bradbilt]

hey guys, it is looking like the garage floor will be poured the middle of july.

I think I have decided on Ghost shield to seal it.
not sure on the 8505 or the 8510

What about a denisifier, is it necessary?

BTW the garage floor is 4840sq/ft How much would i need for 2 coats?


Also a friend of mine used polymeric sand in his expansion joints.
he sealed in one coat, then put the sand in the joints and saturated it with the second coat.

Opinions? Suggestions?

 

[RPH]

Densifier is the cheaper fill material. The concrete is porous and will **** up the 8505 or 8510 material. I used the 8505 with the 4500 densifier. The product works great but I would most definitely use the densifier.

 

[Bradbilt]

ok, I am confused. I looked up Densifiers.
They say.........


"Full Strength Coverage: 100 - 400 Sq. Ft. Per Gallon Real World Coverage: 250- 275 Sq. Ft. Per Gallon Diluted Coverage: Up To 800 Sq. Ft. Per Gallon"



Why would I dilute it? Are you suppose to dilute it? If so why list non-diluted coverage?

 

[SolarColumbia]

Which product are you referring to? The Ghostshield Lithi-Tek 4500, for example is a concentrate which must be diluted. Some densifiers have an option to dilute depending on whether you are going to be polishing/burnishing or not.

 

[Garage Flooring]

hey guys, it is looking like the garage floor will be poured the middle of july.

I think I have decided on Ghost shield to seal it.
not sure on the 8505 or the 8510

What about a denisifier, is it necessary?

BTW the garage floor is 4840sq/ft How much would i need for 2 coats?


Also a friend of mine used polymeric sand in his expansion joints.
he sealed in one coat, then put the sand in the joints and saturated it with the second coat.

Opinions? Suggestions?

1. A single flood coat of 8510 @ 300 SF / Gallon has tested more effective than two coats of 8505.

2. A densifier is an easy, cheap and effective way to increase performance.

3. Coverage varies a ton. I suggest 4500 diluted at a 4:1 ratio. 5:1 for power trowel. Coverage ranges are horribly inaccurate. I estimate at 300 sf for rough concrete and 400 for smooth BUT Do NOT over apply it. Apply only what immediately soaks in.

Also remember the coupon code GJ7.

https://www.garageflooringllc.com/siloxa-tek-8505-concrete-sealer/

 

[Bradbilt]

1. A single flood coat of 8510 @ 300 SF / Gallon has tested more effective than two coats of 8505.

2. A densifier is an easy, cheap and effective way to increase performance.

3. Coverage varies a ton. I suggest 4500 diluted at a 4:1 ratio. 5:1 for power trowel. Coverage ranges are horribly inaccurate. I estimate at 300 sf for rough concrete and 400 for smooth BUT Do NOT over apply it. Apply only what immediately soaks in.

Also remember the coupon code GJ7.

https://www.garageflooringllc.com/siloxa-tek-8505-concrete-sealer/

So do you recommend just going with the 8510 and just put one wet coat on?

The garage floor will be smooth, so do you recommend a 5:1? and again, just put enough down in one coat that the floor will absorb immediately. Do you have a link for the 4500 denstifier? I dont see it


Also, should I seal the control joints After the sealer?

 

[Bradbilt]

The concrete guys got back to me what they were going to use....

It is Liqui -Hard Ultra it appears to just be a densifier. Any idea if that would be comparable with the ghost shield?

 

[Bradbilt]

ok, I have to get this stuff ordered if I am going to use it mid july

So for 4840sq/ft I need 16.13 gallons of the 8510

how much of the 4500 densifier would I need?

 

[Bradbilt]

I figured out how much densifier 5 gallons

I just ordered it

 

[TTMotorsports]

I will applying the 4500 this weekend and 8510 next weekend. Check out my Shop thread and i'll post up some photos of the process and results.

 

[SolarColumbia]

I don't think you need that much of either one. He is saying dilute the 4500 5 to 1 fir machine troweled floor and a gallon of that covers 300 to 400 sq ft. The 8510 is similar coverage at 300 sq ft per gallon.

 

[Bradbilt]

I don't think you need that much of either one. He is saying dilute the 4500 5 to 1 fir machine troweled floor and a gallon of that covers 300 to 400 sq ft. The 8510 is similar coverage at 300 sq ft per gallon.

I have a 4840sq/ft building

So you divide 4840 by 300 and you get 16.13 gallons

And by Liihi-Teks site I need 4.48 gallons of the densifier with a diluted 5:1 ratio

 

[SolarColumbia]

I am seeing it as the 4500 diluted with water 5 to 1 making 6 gallons which would cover about 2400 sq ft.

 

[Garage Flooring]

Not clear on where you are and if you got this ordered. My suggestion would be just give us a call at the office and we'll help you through it. Dilution and coverage varies depending on the concrete finish for the 4500 but 300 for 8510 is a good number for the interior concrete

 

[Bradbilt]

Not clear on where you are and if you got this ordered. My suggestion would be just give us a call at the office and we'll help you through it. Dilution and coverage varies depending on the concrete finish for the 4500 but 300 for 8510 is a good number for the interior concrete

I ordered it from you guys.

The finish will be power trowled smooth

 

[Garage Flooring]

I ordered it from you guys.

The finish will be power trowled smooth

OK. When you get the 4500 CALL ME BEFORE you apply.

If you put to much on you will have an ugly white mess and have to clean it. Dilute it and only apply what soaks in right away. NO 4500 on top. 8510 different story.

 

[Bradbilt]

OK. When you get the 4500 CALL ME BEFORE you apply.

If you put to much on you will have an ugly white mess and have to clean it. Dilute it and only apply what soaks in right away. NO 4500 on top. 8510 different story.

Ok, will do!!

I have to wait about the 28 days to use the densifier, correct?

 

[TTMotorsports]

Yes 28 days. I will be applying the same product 4500 tomorrow and will report back any tips that I discover along the way. I will be applying it with a pump sprayer.

 

[WIHD]

Yes 28 days. I will be applying the same product 4500 tomorrow and will report back any tips that I discover along the way. I will be applying it with a pump sprayer.

so how did it go?

 

[WIHD]

1. A single flood coat of 8510 @ 300 SF / Gallon has tested more effective than two coats of 8505.

2. A densifier is an easy, cheap and effective way to increase performance.

3. Coverage varies a ton. I suggest 4500 diluted at a 4:1 ratio. 5:1 for power trowel. Coverage ranges are horribly inaccurate. I estimate at 300 sf for rough concrete and 400 for smooth BUT Do NOT over apply it. Apply only what immediately soaks in.

Also remember the coupon code GJ7.

https://www.garageflooringllc.com/siloxa-tek-8505-concrete-sealer/

So no 'grinding' is required to do this 4500/8510 process, correct? (do not want to 'grind' anything, newly cured concrete)

When I read 'flood coat', kinda sounds like someone pouring the contents of the can on the floor then spreading w/ a roller....8510 is also applied w/ a sprayer, correct? is it a similar thin layer like the 4500?

Thanks.

 

[Garage Flooring]

So no 'grinding' is required to do this 4500/8510 process, correct? (do not want to 'grind' anything, newly cured concrete)

When I read 'flood coat', kinda sounds like someone pouring the contents of the can on the floor then spreading w/ a roller....8510 is also applied w/ a sprayer, correct? is it a similar thin layer like the 4500?

Thanks.

No grinding.

4500 sprayed only what soaks in immediately. If coverage is way too high you can do a second pass.

8510 is applied with a sprayer. 300 SF per gallon. Concrete should be saturated and unable to absorb it all right away

 

[ArcticGabe]

OK. When you get the 4500 CALL ME BEFORE you apply.

If you put to much on you will have an ugly white mess and have to clean it. Dilute it and only apply what soaks in right away. NO 4500 on top. 8510 different story.

I applied 4500 to my garage floor last weekend. I read through all of these instructions about a week prior, and I thought i had it all straight in my head. But I got it backwards and applied A LOT of 4500 to my floor. The floor was poured about 90 days ago and it was hand troweled. It seemed to absorb most of the 4500 right away, and that which didn't, I went back and used a roller to roll out the wet spots.

So here we are, a week later, and I re-read the instructions again, and realized I got it backwards. I don't have any noticeable "white stuff" on my floor, so how long do I have to wait to see if it appears? I am hoping to apply the 8510 this weekend, but I don't want to do it if I need to wait for the white stuff to appear and clean it.

Thanks!

 

[Shea]

It would have appeared after it dried at the surface. It leaves behind the white residue as it evaporates when the concrete does not absorb it. You should be fine to apply the 8510 if you don't have any residue. If you do have any, scrub it off first.

 

[That Guy Scott]

I applied 4500 to my garage floor last weekend. I read through all of these instructions about a week prior, and I thought i had it all straight in my head. But I got it backwards and applied A LOT of 4500 to my floor. The floor was poured about 90 days ago and it was hand troweled. It seemed to absorb most of the 4500 right away, and that which didn't, I went back and used a roller to roll out the wet spots.

So here we are, a week later, and I re-read the instructions again, and realized I got it backwards. I don't have any noticeable "white stuff" on my floor, so how long do I have to wait to see if it appears? I am hoping to apply the 8510 this weekend, but I don't want to do it if I need to wait for the white stuff to appear and clean it.

Thanks!

take some pics and let us know how it comes out. I ordered the same a week ago for my shop floor.

 

[purediesel]

Since its getting into mid October is there any suggested temps that the 4500 and 8510 should be applied at? I seen the min temps for 4500 was 40 and the 8510 was 35 but didn't know if they would perform better at higher temps or just speed up the drying process.

 

[Garage Flooring]

Since its getting into mid October is there any suggested temps that the 4500 and 8510 should be applied at? I seen the min temps for 4500 was 40 and the 8510 was 35 but didn't know if they would perform better at higher temps or just speed up the drying process.

50 degrees and rising for install temps. Freezing overnight ok with 8510.

 

[purediesel]

Ok, thanks. I better get on this.. Also how long is it good for if I'm not able to get this on the floor this year? Both 4500 and 8510 bought a few months back on your sale you had.

 

[Garage Flooring]

Ok, thanks. I better get on this.. Also how long is it good for if I'm not able to get this on the floor this year? Both 4500 and 8510 bought a few months back on your sale you had.

1 year stored at reasonable temps.

 

[Bradbilt]

Bumping this back up.....

I poured the 2350sq/ft apron on 5/19. Power trowled and broom finish
I still have 1 gallon of the 4500 left over from the garage floor.
Will that be enough mixed at the 5:1 ratio or should i do 4:1 for the rougher surface?

Also, how much 8510 should I be ordering and what mix ratio on that?

 

[purediesel]

Pretty sure that won't cover it if its broom finished. Prob need a bit more for proper coverage. The 8510 doesn't get diluted. 1 gallon per 300 square feet.

 

[Bradbilt]

Ok, Im going to finish caulking the control joints today and I want to apply yhr densifier tomorrow.
But there is chance of showers. How long does the densifier need to set before it can get wet and also how long does it need to set before the 8510 sealer can go on?