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I have a question about the difference between the performance of TS210 vs. a 4500 densifier along with Ghostshield 8510 (GarageFlooringLLC) vs. a densifier and SEC sealer (LegacyIndustrial)

Do any of them require floor prep other than a good cleaning (as long as your floor passes the water test)?

Are they all similarly resistant to stains from gas, oil, etc?

How do they each affect the look of a bare concrete floor.

Has anyone used TS210?


This is the link to the review of TS210 by AllGarageFloors:
https://allgaragefloors.com/ts210-concrete-sealer-review/


TS210 is sold by ConcreteSealersUSA
https://www.concretesealersusa.com/topical-concrete-sealers/

GhostShield is sold by GarageFlooringLLC
https://www.garageflooringllc.com/siloxa-tek-8505-concrete-sealer/

SECSealer is sold by LegacyIndustrial
http://www.legacyindustrial.net/products/concrete-sealers/sec-sealer.html

I know both GarageFlooringLLC and LegacyIndustrial have good reputations on this site and are frequent contributors.
I don't know anything about ConcreteSealersUSA.

Thanks

Brian
 
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I have a question about the difference between the performance of TS210 vs. a 4500 densifier along with Ghostshield 8510 (GarageFlooringLLC) vs. a densifier and SEC sealer (LegacyIndustrial)

Do any of them require floor prep other than a good cleaning (as long as your floor passes the water test)?

Are they all similarly resistant to stains from gas, oil, etc?

How do they each affect the look of a bare concrete floor.

Has anyone used TS210?


This is the link to the review of TS210 by AllGarageFloors:
https://allgaragefloors.com/ts210-concrete-sealer-review/


TS210 is sold by ConcreteSealersUSA
https://www.concretesealersusa.com/topical-concrete-sealers/

GhostShield is sold by GarageFlooringLLC
https://www.garageflooringllc.com/siloxa-tek-8505-concrete-sealer/

SECSealer is sold by LegacyIndustrial
http://www.legacyindustrial.net/products/concrete-sealers/sec-sealer.html

I know both GarageFlooringLLC and LegacyIndustrial have good reputations on this site and are frequent contributors.
I don't know anything about ConcreteSealersUSA.

Thanks

Brian
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Completely apples and oranges. I know that does not totally help but it is what it is. Here is the TDS https://www.concretesealersusa.com/content/pdfs/TS210TechDataSheet.pdf

The TS210 builds a film on top of your floor. You will want to make sure your floor is porous enough to allow it to soak in and adhere. You will also want to to make sure that your reason for the purchase was not because of the type of activity ( welding etc).

Ghostshield 8510 is a penetrating sealer. It leaves no film. Our customers who want a film go with a clear polyurea.

I cannot speak to the quality of the 210 product and nothing in this post is meant to diminish the product itself. It looks like a great product with some pretty cool applications.
 
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air cooled said:
I have a question about the difference between the performance of TS210 vs. a 4500 densifier along with Ghostshield 8510 (GarageFlooringLLC) vs. a densifier and SEC sealer (LegacyIndustrial)

Do any of them require floor prep other than a good cleaning (as long as your floor passes the water test)?

Are they all similarly resistant to stains from gas, oil, etc?

How do they each affect the look of a bare concrete floor.

Has anyone used TS210?


This is the link to the review of TS210 by AllGarageFloors:
https://allgaragefloors.com/ts210-concrete-sealer-review/


TS210 is sold by ConcreteSealersUSA
https://www.concretesealersusa.com/topical-concrete-sealers/

GhostShield is sold by GarageFlooringLLC
https://www.garageflooringllc.com/siloxa-tek-8505-concrete-sealer/

SECSealer is sold by LegacyIndustrial
http://www.legacyindustrial.net/products/concrete-sealers/sec-sealer.html

I know both GarageFlooringLLC and LegacyIndustrial have good reputations on this site and are frequent contributors.
I don't know anything about ConcreteSealersUSA.

Thanks

Brian
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SEC offers a warm satin gloss, repels everything in the garage and costs a bit more than an acrylic.

We ship this regularly to Craft breweries, Pepsi-Cola, Tropicana, etc...
Makes an excellent coating for warehouse use and actually was chosen in one plant over polished concrete for cost and esthetics!
 
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Justin is right on the money. All three are apples, oranges, and bananas really. They each serve a different purpose.

The densifier and 8510 combo doesn't change the look of the concrete since it is a penetrating sealer. They are easy to apply with little to no surface prep if no sealer is present.

The SEC sealer provides a nice satin to gloss finish. It's a coating that will highlight the characteristics of the concrete and protects it from staining. It requires etching or grinding of the concrete to apply.

The TS210 is a very thin acrylic fortified polyurethane coating with a matte finish. It will protect the concrete from staining and is very scratch resistant as well. It will not provide much of a decorative finish like the SEC can. Like the 8510 combo, it is very easy to apply with little to no surface prep if no sealer is present.

To update this thread; TS210 by Concrete Sealers USA was recently tested and received a rating of 0.65 for the new ANSI Wet DCOF test. For an example, 0.42 is acceptable as a minimum value for surfaces that are expected to be walked on when wet with water. A rating of 0.65 is considered very desirable in terms of C.O.F. for a wet surface. That does not make the surface slip proof, but it provides much better slip resistance than most other coatings.
 
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SEC offers a warm satin gloss, repels everything in the garage and costs a bit more than an acrylic.

We ship this regularly to Craft breweries, Pepsi-Cola, Tropicana, etc...
Makes an excellent coating for warehouse use and actually was chosen in one plant over polished concrete for cost and esthetics!
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Just curious. How long does sec last before it shows traffic and needs reapplying under normal home garage. I know it depends on a lot of factors.
 
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You said it. Many factors. However with good maintenance it could still look good after 10 years or more!

It can be refreshed easily compared to the initial coat too.

We coated a warehouse in Parsippany, NJ back in 1998. After a recent visit (unrelated to the floor) I was impressed to see our product still in service without a re-coat.
 
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Thanks for the replies,

Is the following correct?...

So the TS210 leaves a film and may need the floor to be acid etched or ground (depending on how porous your floor is)?
"The product offers exceptional 24-hour chemical and stain resistance to most common contaminants including oil, grease, water, salts an deicing chemicals...is UV resistant and will not break down or yellow in the presence of UV rays. The TS210 does not materially alter the appearance of surfaces and is ideal for maintaining more of a natural look or “matte” finish."
TS210 will not protect the floor from welding?


SEC requires the floor be acid etched or ground.
SEC also leaves a 'warm satin gloss' look to the floor.
SEC is good for stains, etc., but welding may affect it?

Ghostshield leaves no film and the floor looks unchanged, but it still protects against stains from oil, etc?
Welding will not affect it any more than welding would affect a untreated concrete floor?
Ghostshield needs a clean floor but you are not required to acid etch or grind the floor?

Thanks
 
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Thanks for the replies,


Ghostshield leaves no film and the floor looks unchanged, but it still protects against stains from oil, etc?
Welding will not affect it any more than welding would affect a untreated concrete floor?
Ghostshield needs a clean floor but you are not required to acid etch or grind the floor?

Thanks
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Pretty much spot on for Ghostshield. I would just add DONT profile the floor at all for this product or you make the floor hard to clean. Since there is no film, the texture stays there.
 
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Etching is fine and will look better than a grind.
Yes Warm Gloss.
Welding if done close to the floor could mark the floor. Welding close to the floor will mark any floor coated or not.
 
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You said it. Many factors. However with good maintenance it could still look good after 10 years or more!

It can be refreshed easily compared to the initial coat too.

We coated a warehouse in Parsippany, NJ back in 1998. After a recent visit (unrelated to the floor) I was impressed to see our product still in service without a re-coat.
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First) So if we were to assume the same garage uses for the different coatings, approximately how long of a service life could be expected comparatively.

For instance under the same conditions:
6525. 2 years
Ts210. 5 years
SEC. 10 years
NohrS. 15 years

Second) what is the process of each product for a refresh after it starts to age or spot repairs for those “aww ****” moments.
 
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Refresh/Recoat
HD6525MMA : Clean floor, recoats melt to the original surface quite nicely and easily
SEC. : clean, scuff gloss, wipe and recoat
NohrS.: clean, scuff gloss, wipe and recoat

Frankly, if the traffic is light any of these could last the duration of your stay and maybe longer. They don't fade away.
 
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After some more reading on AllGarageFloors.com I think the following is true:

Densifier + Ghostshield:
Essentially, no penetrating sealer will scratch (regardless of brand) due to the fact that the sealer is in the concrete and not on top of it.


TS210:
TS210 will scratch, but the report on AllGarageFloors indicated they had to apply some effort with a screw driver to scratch it.
If you drag a sharp piece of metal across the surface, however, it's going to do some type of damage.
However, scratches are harder to detect due to the matte finish than they would be on a high shine finish.
To make a repair you would rough up the repair area with 120 sandpaper and reapply.
The repaired area does not stand out like a sore thumb compared to a glossy coating.


I think either system will work for my home automotive hobby garage.


This GhostShield has excellent scratch resistance because it is literally as hard as concrete and has moderate stain resistance.
GhostShield is not particularly affected by welding.

The TS210 has moderate scratch resistance (that can be repaired) and excellent stain resistance.
TS210 might be affected by welding.

GhostShield wins for scratch resistance.
TS210 wins for stain resistance.
 
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I was also thinking about how slippery these products may be when wet.

I don't think GhostShield changes how slippery the concrete floor is.

The TS210 says "Do not over apply. The coefficient of friction of the surface may decline with each sealer application. This can be offset by applying an anti skid compound (ex. fine micronized polymer) after first application when sealer is still wet and prior to it drying."

I'd rather not mess with anti-skid compound because it can be difficult to get the ratio just right. Too much and it makes it harder to clean the floor without shredding the paper towel and too little defeats the purpose.

I think that puts GhostShield as the top choice for me.
 
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I was also thinking about how slippery these products may be when wet.

I don't think GhostShield changes how slippery the concrete floor is.

The TS210 says "Do not over apply. The coefficient of friction of the surface may decline with each sealer application. This can be offset by applying an anti skid compound (ex. fine micronized polymer) after first application when sealer is still wet and prior to it drying."

I'd rather not mess with anti-skid compound because it can be difficult to get the ratio just right. Too much and it makes it harder to clean the floor without shredding the paper towel and too little defeats the purpose.

I think that puts GhostShield as the top choice for me.
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If you decide to go with the Ghostshield, use their 4500 to densify (not one gallon makes 4 not 3 when used as a primer) and a SINGLE flood coat of 8510. 8510 does not impact traction. There is no film.
 
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PS - I decided against the SEC sealer because I don't want to grind my floor.
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I am looking at SEC sealer and was told I only have to etch the floor not grind. Lowes sells Seal-Krete cleaner and etcher. If that would work it seems like an easy process.
 
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From what I gather they are synonymous.
Put some on your concrete and look for the fizz.

No fizz? Take it back.

Flood coat means to literally pour it onto the floor, "flooding the floor".
 
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I have decided to use Ghostshield 4500 followed by Ghostshield 8510 on my new garage floor and driveway. Is it recommended to re-coat with 8510 periodically? If so, how often and what prep is required?

Thank you,

Brad
 
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I did the Ghostshield 4500 densifier and the 8505 product. I have a working shop, overhauled tractors over the winter. The products work as described. I haven’t had any stains that couldn’t be cleaned up within a reasonable time period. The Ghostshield information I have states to reseal it in ten years.
 
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I have decided to use Ghostshield 4500 followed by Ghostshield 8510 on my new garage floor and driveway. Is it recommended to re-coat with 8510 periodically? If so, how often and what prep is required?

Thank you,

Brad
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Clean and dry is all you need to do. Should be re-applied 7-10 years
 
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