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From a capitalistic point of view, they deserve to go ****-up. They've had, what, 20 years of lackluster performance and that long to get their sh&t together and they've failed miserably.
 

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I think the biggest problem is the K-Mart name more than the Sears name.

Sears has been known for good consumer goods for a very long time, but since the M/A, the K-Mart name has only served to weaken the Sears name in my opinion, as K-Mart is well, K-Mart...

I also think Sears would be best served if they renamed their Appliance and Hardware stores as CRAFTSMAN Stores. Same strong visual branding as on their packaging, with strong red color against the taupe faces. Make it solely about the tools and hardware, sell the appliances only in the Sears locations right next to electronics where they've always been.
 

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Sears/K Mart needs to spend some serious cash in rejuvenating the K-Mart image if they have any hope of keeping it from continuing on this downward spiral. They need to clean up the stores, get some decent merchandise in, and them advertise the **** out of it like Wal Mart and Target do. Target is proof that a department store other than Wal Mart can be sucessful. K Mart needs to fix their image and market it as an appealing place to shop. Otherwise, it's headed to the same place as Bradley's and Ames.
 

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Sears just opened a new store in my area that sells just tools, appliances and possibly electronics(don't know for sure haven't been in it yet). 10 miles down the road is a full size Sears and K-Mart that have been in the same place since the late 70's or early 80's. Would be willing to bet by the time holiday season 2012 rolls around one or both of the older stores are gone.

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Before going too crazy on this, let's wait and see what the breakdown is in Sears vs. K-Mart store closings. K-mart is a walking ghost, they cannot compete with Walmart on price and they sell all junk. I mean, given any choice whatsoever, who goes to K-Mart?

The thing I fear is Sears closings in depressed areas of the country. Those areas don't have a lot of options and a Sears closing is probably a big deal.
 

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He said that he believes most of the company's closings will be Kmart stores outside of its home base in the Northeast and Great Lakes region. He said Kmart has been caught in the crossfire of a price war between stronger discount retailers Target (TGT, Fortune 500) and Wal-Mart (WMT, Fortune 500).

Odds are, the Sears near you won't close.

Odds are, if you have a depressed K-Mart in the vicinity of a Sears, the Kmart will close before the Sears does.
 

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There was an article someone posted a little while back that predicted this. That article also stated that Kmart stores overall performed better than Sears stores. I'd be curious to see how many of each they close.
 

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I walked into a Kmart 2 weeks ago(had a 5 hour lay over, and had to do something) and I thought I was in back to the future movie and just steped out into the 1980's! They need to clean up and update their stores. Keep up or get out is what I say. Everying in there was high priced as well.
 

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I walked into a Kmart 2 weeks ago(had a 5 hour lay over, and had to do something) and I thought I was in back to the future movie and just steped out into the 1980's! They need to clean up and update their stores. Keep up or get out is what I say. Everying in there was high priced as well.

LOL.

There was somwone on this forum or another one that I'm on that said that ,
"If K-Mart stores were 'kids' , when they grow up to be adults, they'd aspire to be a Target store."

I LMAO and thought it was dead on.
Targets are clean, organized, profitable and well managed. Hmmm.....
 
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I don't know you guys, but I didn't buy anything except tools from Sears/KMart for many years.

Me too, because both were close. My first tool box had some Craftsman things I bought while living at home and when I moved out supplemented those with the old Benchtop tools Kmart sold back then. The funny thing is my Benchtop tools, while made in Taiwan and probably almost 20 years old, have been some of the best tools I have owned for the price I paid for them.

Sad to see both entities going downhill due to lackluster management and marketing.
 

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I haven't been in a Kmart store in 15 years. Closest one is in a bad neighborhood with pimps, hustlers, prostitues, and thieves roaming the parking lot, looking for their next victim/customer.:shocking:
 

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Not sure if this means anything, but yesterday my wife and I needed to buy a small freezer and the mall was packed full of people but sears was rather dead; not a lot of people in that store.

Earlier in the week my wife took me to a K-mart, the place was also dead,dirty and what few craftsman tools they had were all top price no bargins to be had.

I like Sears but what keeps them going is beyond me; last night I asked the nice man if we could locate a few missing tools, the web-site is not very helpful,the catalog was not very good and we struck out all around.
 

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For those preaching about how the Sears stores won't close, but the Kmarts will....lemme leave you with this-

The Sears non-mall store near me is reverting back to a Kmart. This is in an area where the median household income is hovering around $100k and this is not NYC, Chicago, LA or Boston. Yes, it is in an Atlanta Suburb, but we are 20 miles north of Atlanta.

Within walking distance of this particular store is an "Avenue" strip mall where many of the higher-end stores are and they do fairly well. There's a HD, Whole Foods, Publix, Target, Kohls and many other decent stores all nearby. This is by no means any sort of lower-middle class or lower income area that would fill a Kmart to the brim everyday.

Sears...if they make it through 2012, it will be only to close early 2013. For those that think differently, well, you will be surprised.


Wait. Do they need a government bailout???
 
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I don't know about everyone else but for me the Kmarts in my area do a horrible job stocking inventory. I can't count the number of times over the last 20 years I went in the a shopping list of common items and came out with the list half filled. I then go to the Walmart or grocery store to get the rest of the items.
Kmart can't make a profit on an item that's not in stock.
 

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Back in the early 60's, one of the first K-Marts opened in Kokomo, IN, where I lived. I purchased a Williams socket set at that store, you know, the ones in the orange and black metal box that bring nice money on ebay? They also sold SK tools. Is there anything domestically made in a K-Mart these days? I guess you would have to find a K-Mart to check.
 

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I remember back in day...

The only Montgomery Ward/Sears 'store' in most areas was a very small receiving depot with one, or two at the most people working there. They would have a couple of appliances in the front area where you walked in, a big counter with the big Sears catalogs spread out, and a register to pay for your goods.

There was no ordering over the phone. You had to go into these little depots, look through the catalogs, and place your order. Three or so weeks later you would get a call letting you know your order was in and ready for pickup.

As technology progressed, it got to the point where catalogs were mailed to households and you could order from the catalog by mailing in the order form, and later by phone.

It was a glorious thing when those first Sears catalogs arrived at the house. Especially for young boys when they discovered the women's lingerie section. Few today realize that the sears catalog was the original ****. :D

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Like somebody else posted earlier.

He said that he believes most of the company's closings will be Kmart stores outside of its home base in the Northeast and Great Lakes region. He said Kmart has been caught in the crossfire of a price war between stronger discount retailers Target and Wal-Mart .

There's a reason Kmart died years ago, they sold off property and bought Sears. They thought they could use that to spring back to life. Nope, I don't see it happening, the only thing I see happening is it ruining Sears good name, which they have been doing since ownership of Sears Holdings.


Die Kmart, just die and fade away.
 

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Sears had a cash cow, went by the name Discover. But it was making them money so they sold it.
Their tools..well to say they are a shadow of their former selves would be an understatement.
 

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Sears stock was on a rally up to about $80 in November. Today it's trading at around $35.
 

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I remember back in day...


It was a glorious thing when those first Sears catalogs arrived at the house. Especially for young boys when they discovered the women's lingerie section. Few today realize that the sears catalog was the original ****. :D

Andy

Sears catalog was the original toilet paper, catalog goes back pretty far.

We often call out Walmart with its cheap Chinese product as the great destroyer, but what gutted retail are the warehouse stores selling premium goods, not $19 microwaves at Walmart.

As for Sears and Kmart, I suspect they will go into text books on how to ruin a business from the top. Upscaling Kmart with a Craftsman tool section, Kenmore appliances, diluted Sears customers and lost Kmart its own clientele. I used to shop both places, and ended up dropping Kmart completely, and buying less at Sears too.

Hopefully some deadwood at the top gets fired before the whole company sinks.
 

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I remember back in day...

The only Montgomery Ward/Sears 'store' in most areas was a very small receiving depot with one, or two at the most people working there. ...

There was no ordering over the phone. You had to go into these little depots, look through the catalogs, and place your order. Three or so weeks later you would get a call letting you know your order was in and ready for pickup.

As technology progressed, it got to the point where catalogs were mailed to households and you could order from the catalog by mailing in the order form, and later by phone.

Andy

Sears, and Sears alone, is responsible for what I consider the biggest business blunder of the modern era. About two to three years before the Internet became prominent, Sears leadership decided to discontinue their catalog infrastructure. If done right, in 1995 or 1996, years before Amazon became a big retailer, they would have had the largest Internet retail presence, and it could have been created with simple programming adapters. Instead, they languished under the weight of their retail channels.

Epic FAIL.
 

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BTW, K-Mart went belly up and came back to life by selling their real estate interests, i.e. abandoned store locations, which had become quite valuable during the real estate bubble. When Sears went belly up a few years later, K-Mart leadership pounced and bought out the Sears Roebuck company. (Sears was having cyclical economic issues and would have come back to life.) Then K-Mart renamed the company Sears Corporation, or something of the ilk, to identify better with the Sears name. My point is Sears is no longer run by Sears management -- It's run by K-Mart people. The rip-off, Mickey-Mouse, discount (not value) mentality is why everything is going downhill.

I cannot believe they slapped the Craftsman name on garbage Chinese tools.
 
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Sears catalog was the original toilet paper, catalog goes back pretty far.

We often call out Walmart with its cheap Chinese product as the great destroyer, but what gutted retail are the warehouse stores selling premium goods, not $19 microwaves at Walmart.

Best response I've seen so far.

KMart is an easy thing to look at, manipulate and fix - it's your basic big-box cheap retailer, and Walmart is a clear competitor. Fix your stores, product selection and pricing and you'll be in a position to try and compete.

Sears is tough though. They have no direct competitor. Target, Walmart, Krogers or anyone else do not have the selection Sears has. It seems to be a pretty odd mix - our Sears stores seem to have a huge tools/lawn and garden selection, the big appliance section (Sears focus is now appliances, so no doubt it does okay), and lots of clothing. It's an odd mix.

I think the biggest issue is that you can't complete a project from Sears. You can go there and get the tools you need, but most people need mostly materials and just a few tools, so they end up at the BORG stores (Home Depot, Lowes, Menards, etc.) Now that Craftsman is Made in China, there is little reason to visit for tools at all - you can buy just about the same quality from the others for cheaper, they have a similar return policy at face value, and you can pick them up while you're picking up materials.

In terms of everything else, Sears has a much smaller selection than the discount wholesalers like Target, at higher prices. Kitchen/home goods, consumables for cleaning/personal care/etc., it's all small or nonexistent.

The problem is that the combination of spaces Sears has competed in for years, they now have no similar competitors. Montgomery Wards is long gone. Nobody is trying to do what Sears does. Walk in Target or Walmart and look at the pathetic tool selection, or the two ************* lawn mores Walmart probably offers. Target and Walmart also have newer stores in up-and-coming areas, not a legacy of old real estate that leaves Sears locations with half the square footage they need to compete with any of the others. When people came to buy Craftsman tools, they hit the lumber yard next for their wood... they didn't do it all in one store.

Sears succeeded before the Internet, when they were a mail order business... like someone said, they failed to capitalize on the Internet as they should have. It seems they've tried a couple things but run pretty much on the same track to failure as they've been doing for a while.

I think the key to success down the road is a combination of shifting suppliers, inventory and store layout, perhaps adding square footage where needed and pulling out of some locations to focus on the more successful ones.

The Craftsman name brand needs to be built back up, not just for tools but for lawn and garden as well. They need to further their position as an "OEM" and find a way in to other retailers, and leverage proven manufacturing methods for things like tools and toolboxes so they don't have the highest price piece of **** out there like their current tool boxes, when you can hit HF for a much nicer one at half the price.

It's a tough spot to be in, but there is no right answer and nobody here has the #s and statistics to figure out what a good path should be.
 

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I traveled into town two weeks before Christmas to pick-up something from sears that I had ordered over the internet. I doubt that store will be closing, it was absolutely packed with people. And this was mid day on week day.

Now, the nearest kmart on the other hand should have closed long ago as its always empty. It's also right across the freeway from a super walmart.

Hard to believe that with all the tools people on GJ have purchased this year from Sears, it still may not be enough to save them. :)
 

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Tip...

If you have to go to the mall, enter through the Sears store. There is always plenty of empty parking spaces.
 

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Same day, same area, HF packed, Sears tool area, nobody. If Sears goes under,no more craftsman broken tool returns, thats going to ****.
 

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Same day, same area, HF packed, Sears tool area, nobody. If Sears goes under,no more craftsman broken tool returns, thats going to ****.

Honestly, if they can't figure out the whole department store thing, I think the "Hometown" small stores with the tools, appliances and lawn and garden will remain and perhaps get bigger in square footage.
 

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K-mart is a walking ghost, they cannot compete with Walmart on price and they sell all junk. I mean, given any choice whatsoever, who goes to K-Mart?

Not me. Do you ever notice in so many places around the courntry there is a WalMart directly across the street from a KMart, so its head-to-head competition. And consistently the WalMart parking lot is always a traffic nightmare at the same time the Kmart parking lot has maybe 15 cars in it ? KMart has been doomed for 15 years in my book.
 

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Now that Craftsman is Made in China, there is little reason to visit for tools at all - you can buy just about the same quality from the others for cheaper, they have a similar return policy at face value, and you can pick them up while you're picking up materials.

Your post is pretty good, but.... this is a little bit over the top. Craftsman is not all made in China (yet). There are still a ton of USA made tools in Craftsman. You just have to look past their Evolv line, and any of their new styles of tools primarily.

That can't be said of many of the other big box tool lines. Kobalt is all Taiwan or China now I think. Nearly all of the Husky stuff is as well. The only real exception is Masterforce from Menards. They seem to be expanding in the USA-made tool market. Even most of the brands not affiliated with certain stores are heading to the far east. Irwin, Crescent, Stanley (not Proto) etc.

Craftsman is still generally a decent brand if you can stay with their main lines of tools (with the exception of their std ratchets and screwdrivers I think.)
 

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People that think Sears/Craftsman is going to be "brought back" from almost death are living a lie.

You've got a mixture of US made and Chinese made chrome hand tools out there right now. Let's say someone with a brain took Craftsman back over and fought and won to bring the forever-warrantied chrome tools back to be manufactured in the USA.

So now you have old skool US Made (higher quality) tools out there in grandpa's tool box (or in your tool box that was handed down to you...or flea market finds on Saturday morning) and Chinese **** out there that you have to warranty.

And you KNOW the newer US Made stuff won't be the same quality as the stuff made and sold in 1979.
 

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Not me. Do you ever notice in so many places around the courntry there is a WalMart directly across the street from a KMart, so its head-to-head competition.

In retail its called saturation. Whichever store came first, the other did it on purpose.
 

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I like tools and have so for many years, I live close to a sears in a major mall and also a catalog store close bye and have not been in it 6 times in all of 2011, OK maybe 7. They have the same type of employees in sears as Kmart, most could care less. I consider myself to be an average shopper too. I've said several times in the last 5 years: "in my life time I will see the end of Sears and Roebuck"...uh I mean Kmart too.

A blue light special on the entire lock, stock, and barrel. Sad.
 
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